That’s correct. However, by getting a feel I meant results you’re getting as well, but yes, you need to be attentive enough and display a certain level of self-awareness and self-introspection in order to be really good at the Art. Those qualities get developed with time, while using and working with subs.
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I don’t feel them at all.
I consider developing my mind one of the core activities in reaching my long term goals. Business goals included.
I don’t mind spending hours in introspection and concentrating on what happens between my ears.
Some of us just do not feel the subs.
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I believe that we’re talking about two different things.
I was talking about getting a feel of subs not about feeling them.
Feeling them doesn’t matter at all.
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Nope… Doesn’t happen to me.
I’m running the subs on “blind faith”.
I do get more thirsty and I do get vivid dreams. But that’s it. I do know that I’m in a tiny minority here.
I’ve read how you work with the subs. There’s huge value in it. Just might not work the same for everyone.
What I’m saying is that the subs can work even if you are not able to feel or get the feel of them.
I’ve gotten great results from them, including crazy manifestations.
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A Perspective
What we are doing here is not ‘Listening To Subliminals’.
What we are doing is choosing our pathways of development in our lives and then growing along those pathways.
The subliminals are fuel to support and strengthen Your Growth. And they are vehicles that can carry you more stably and efficiently along your pathways of growth.
An Example
Rome is 1400 kilometers from Paris. That distance stays the same. Whether you walk, drive, ride a train, a horse, or an airplane, the distance will still be 1400 kilometers.
If you are travelling to Rome from Paris, and you jump into a high-speed helicopter, and quickly fly 1100 kilometers, and then get out of the helicopter; you will not be in Rome.
‘What?! How can I not be in Rome?! I just used a high-speed helicopter! Those can take you anywhere quickly!’
Yes, you are absolutely correct. High-speed vehicles can carry you anywhere quickly. But you still have to ride them all the way to your destination.
The Principle:
Use the subs.
Set your courses and your destinations in your life, and then let the subliminals help to carry you there faster.
You’re not supposed to be carrying them and letting them tell you where to go.
Get my point?
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No questioning of that.
I just stated that testing out lots of subs has its value due to getting a feel of them, and that can help choose the right subs. However, that value is not universal as some people, as yourself, don’t get any feel of them, yet, as you mentioned, they can still benefit from subliminal usage tremendously.
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Yes.
You seem to be talking about how, over time, we can develop an understanding or a sense of how the programs serve to bring about change; whether or not that understanding happens to include subjectively-experienced visceral sensations associated with the programs.
One’s understanding or one’s ‘feel’ of the subliminals process might just be based on observing the changes and results that are arising in one’s circumstances.
I’m similar to @Hoppa in that I don’t experience a huge amount of dramatic sensations associated with my listening sessions. Like him, that detail does not matter very much to me. I don’t ‘feel’ many of my brain changes, in that direct sense. But my brain is clearly working since I’m walking around functioning. So, I try not to get stuck on that point. Nonetheless, I can get a ‘feel’ (as in ‘a subjective impression or overall sense’) for how change and growth appear to be operating in my world.
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I just usually want to bring out the other point of view when these things come up.
We don’t know who will read these threads. I don’t want anyone like me to get discouraged because the “main stream” narrative doesn’t fit their experience.
I’ve come to regard my condition as a blessing.
I don’t get recon either.
But the main advantage is that I do not overthink the subs.
As an INTP I’m a prime candidate to be a chronic sub hopper.
It’s like my subconscious is protecting me from that.
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Yes, that’s right. However, more importantly, it gives me a feel for how and to what point I’m aligned with the changes that are suggested to my subconscious mind (that is the scripting). That helps me work with subs without being constrained by predefined time frames or strictly sticking to the objectives or even the results themselves. It’s mostly a self-discovery process where my Zero Point (who I truly am and what I’m truly capable of) is being revealed to me gradually and I can choose the scripting I deem the most aligned with my Zero Point more proficiently.
Going through lots of subs helped me find those I “clicked with” the most, and that says a lot about my Zero Point.
BTW; I’ve clicked the most with EB and WB. Nice combo indeed lol
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I don’t want to create a new topic, I’ll ask the question here.
Which sub or module will help me get rid of the habit of comparing myself to other people? By type I am worse than that person / I am better than that person
thank you for sharing your opinion!
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Ascension and Phoenix, mate.
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I heard love bomb as a suggestion in similar thread not so long ago
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One more vote for LB.
If you grow in loving yourself, you don’t care for comparison anymore.
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What’s your opinion.
I felt LB right from the start, Primal pretty fast. Emperor I felt only (in a positive way) months after I stopped listening. GM I never felt. I don’t even see results. But deep down, I trust the sub. I even put it in my custom.
From my custom I interestingly feel mostly modules and constituent module like Voice Master, Job Seeker or Debtannihilator. HoM and GM I still don’t feel after 3 cycles.
I’m not taking the most action yet. But I start realizing why (understanding my trauma, the reasoning for inactivity, etc) And that’s a big prerequisite for action. And it’s also a sign of the subs working.
I guess it’s some kind of healing facilitated by the sub, so I become enabled to take more action.
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I agree with @Iron. Love Bomb.
Social comparison is natural, normal, and genetically programmed into our species’ survival strategy. Mammals survive through coordination and communication, and we humans have taken that to another level.
But if the hierarchical/ranking element of comparison feels excessive, oppressive, or out-of-control, that’s a sign that an increase in love and compassion is needed.
That creates the right blend. You can see who is doing better or doing worse in a given performance situation (an important and necessary capacity); but you don’t take the extra (unnecessary) step of hating or deriding them or yourself over that.
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I really like how you mentioned the type.
Most people don’t do that. They view comparing yourself with others as the problem.
The problem isn’t comparing yourself with others.
The problem is how you interpret and react to those comparisons.
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On the other hand, Ascension massively increases your self-esteem and helps you focus on getting your own shit done (setting goals and striving for their achievement) without being concerned about what other people have, how they are, what they’re doing and what they think of you, and Phoenix dissolves all complexes, comparing yourself with others may stem from.
Self-love is important but it’s more a matter of self-worth, what’s important to you, an what you’re focused on (your goals and ambitions).
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Again, it’s not about feeling subs but recognizing how and to what point the scripting is aligning with you - your Zero Point (who you truly are and what you’re truly capable of). ZP subs help you discover your Zero Point. YOU CAN’T LIE TO Zero Point means there’s the “truth” about who you truly are and what you’re truly capable of. Your Zero Point is comprised of objective qualities and potentialities, it’s not a mere self-perception, even though, ZP technology is based upon helping you achieve deeper and more accurate layers of self-perception so that you can get closer to that truth (your Zero Point).
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Recon might be caused by removing layers of lies (about who we are and what we’re capable of) we tell ourselves and the world, and by dismantling the self-deception (distorted self-perception) we stick to in order to preserve a brittle and faulty psychological balance.
Those are one of the most advanced concepts in the Art of Mental Alchemy and getting familiar with them requires lots of practice - listening, taking action, observing, self-introspecting and journaling.
@AnswerGroup Perhaps that will interest you.
Was there any other question in what you wrote, mate?
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Lol. Now I’m considering Ascension, because I know I’m missing a lot of that.
Also it’s a narrow and fast acting sub.
OK. I read the description.
And I bought it.
5 minutes in.
That’s all for now.
Strange how I never read Ascensions sales copy.
I’ve recommended it.
Perhaps I thought I’ve run emperor before, I don’t need ascension
Now it feels like the missing puzzle piece.
I thought confidence comes along as long as I work on self love. But I might push it for a few cycles.
Probably will drop KB4 for it. Not that I make any use of the energy scripting without the self esteem to take serious action.
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I’ve found working on the most essential missing links approach the most effective and as the fastest lane for personal growth. For that reason, I went back to Sanguine which usage I would postpone for nearly three years since lots of subs offer some of its effects yet I realized I need to focus on working on that missing link (being calm, focused, present and positive) utterly as it’s essential for me. My results are skyrocketing now.
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