Question from @Malkuth (original post):
@qOS Well, the new iteration of Renaissance Man has been unveiled. It’s beautiful. And now I have another question to ask. Background My core subliminal is called INTERFACE. I have always been a very interiorly-oriented person, and INTERFACE is in large-part about helping me to journey the divide between inner, imaginal process and meaningful, productive, creative engagement with the world and society. I realized that to connect with a world that has often seemed incompatible, I would need an INTERFACE a way of connecting and of translating my natural processes into terms that can survive in the world and even benefit the beings and spaces that are here around me. Carrying visions and ideas into manifest, productive fruition. A kind of ‘space suit’ that enables me to negotiate the at-times alien and unforgiving landscapes and environments of our modern world. The modules: Ecstasy of Gold stage 2 R.I.C.H. Visionary Living Truth One Purpose Execution Override The Revelation of Product Creation Product Lab ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money Debt Annihilator ESSENCE: The Wonder and the Mystery ESSENCE: The Inner Spa Experimental: Adaptive Scripting Experimental: Anti-Recon I wondered what I would do when I saw the new Renaissance Man. You can probably see that there are a number of modules that are my way of capturing the same functionality embodied in Renaissance Man (Visionary, ESSENCE: The Wonder and the Mystery, The Revelation of Product Creation; and to a lesser extent, even Living Truth, ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money, and One Purpose). For now, I’m considering my options. There are only 12 modules in my custom. (Were I to rebuild I could drop the two Experimental Modules, since they are now subsumed within the ZPU build.) It is, technically, possible for me to add a third Major Program core. But I have been wooing and holding to parsimony for some time now in my stacks and my programs. It’s rare for me to play more than 2 programs at a given time. And I aim to keep the programs unified, focused, and even ‘light’ to some degree (though light and powerful). I haven’t run a custom with more than 2 program cores in years. It seems to take me a long time to grow results. That’s probably at least partially because the directions I insist on pursuing typically involve my greatest challenge points. I’m not complaining. That’s what I want, so I’m going for it. But I’m leery of overloading. Renaissance Man aligns resonantly with the principles and paradigm of INTERFACE. I’m actually considering a rebuild that somehow integrates it (Stage I: The Creative Engine). I do NOT want to sacrifice either R.I.C.H. or Ecstasy of Gold Stage 2. They have a lot of work to do in me, and they’re just beginning, at the 7-months point, to show their potential and results. Question: Can you offer general counsel, given the above observations, about integrating (or not integrating) new Renaissance Man into either my INTERFACE ZPU custom or my stack? I’ll keep thinking on it. But seems like a question worth asking here. Thank you!
Summary
@Malkuth — your read is right. INTERFACE already carries pieces of what The New Renaissance Man does, and The Creative Engine adds the part it lacks, the whole making process in between.
Where INTERFACE already overlaps
Visionary synthesizes unrelated information into insight, which sits close to The Ladder of Abstraction and The Meeting of Unlike Things. The Revelation of Product Creation turns wonder at the world into products, close to The Strata and The Hidden Harmony. Living Truth shares ground with A Voice of My Own. Execution Override overlaps with Wildest Ideas Made Real, where starting becomes a habit.
ESSENCE: The Wonder and the Mystery comes from Beyond Limitless, and The Creative Engine and Into the Wonder are designed to run together. Into the Wonder supplies the perception. The Creative Engine shares its cross-domain seeing, then adds feeling, the human dimension, the taking apart of inherited forms and the push through to finished work. That makes them partners rather than duplicates.
What The Creative Engine adds
INTERFACE carries an inner, imaginal life into forms the world can use. Worlds Within and The Inner Studio work directly on that inner side: whole worlds built in the mind, rehearsed and prototyped before anything exists, and hard questions left open until the answer arrives. The Bottega and The Hand That Knows add real craft. The Current and Relentless take it into deep flow and all the way to done. The Creativity Engine then turns the whole cycle so it works in any domain, a painting or a problem at work.
Which stage
Stage One fits your aims. It carries no wealth, romance or fame scripting, so it adds nothing that competes with Ecstasy of Gold Stage 2 and R.I.C.H. Stage Two overlaps heavily with Ecstasy of Gold Stage 2, R.I.C.H., ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money and Product Lab on the enterprise side, and it brings a romance thread INTERFACE does not have. The Renaissance Man with The Ecstasy of Gold is a suggested pairing, so Stage Two is a later option once the work is moving outward.
Custom or stack
INTERFACE has space for another core under the 20-module cap, so room is not the deciding factor. The deciding factor is the one you raised: R.I.C.H. and Ecstasy of Gold Stage 2 are seven months in and just starting to show their potential, and a rebuild changes the file that is doing that work.
There are three sound paths, in the order I would weigh them:
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Keep INTERFACE as it is and run The Creative Engine as a separate title when you next rotate your other slot. Your stack stays the size you prefer.
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Wait for the Renaissance Man ESSENCE modules. SaintSovereign said in post #34 of the main thread that they arrive today. An ESSENCE carries a title in condensed form in a single slot, so it suits your preference for parsimony in a later rebuild, with the effect less profound than the full stage.
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Add the Renaissance Man Stage 1 Core to INTERFACE on a rebuild. This is the fullest integration and makes INTERFACE a three-core custom, which is the loading you said you want to avoid.
ESSENCE: The Inner Spa already gives INTERFACE a settling layer, and The Creative Engine, which opens perception and feeling on purpose, suits that warmth and steadiness underneath.
My recommendation is path one now, and a fresh look at path two once the ESSENCE modules are listed. Listening guidance is in the official instructions: https://instructions.subliminalclub.com