At this point I will join RVC and ask if y’all really want to be spending your precious time and energy continuing this thread. Perhaps the best action to take now is to move on to journals and other productive things.
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What I posted above for saint is just a suggestion 
Before anyone starts saying that I’m trying to gatekeep the forum from people who were banned.
It’s just an idea to make the forum a better place for everyone.
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It’s my nighttime forum surfing time 
Don’t gatekeep me 
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As Kirsten Dunst put it, this is not a democracy, it’s a cheerocracy. 
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We are coming up with a new rule that highly disruptive individuals will be banned permanently. We just have to make sure we clearly delineate what constitutes “highly disruptive” to prevent infringing on your ability to express legitimate frustrations.
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You could keep the campfire policy as it is, and have a group of certain long term members there that can help you decide who is not welcomed.
The thing is, some people just get worse with time, like a virus, and yeah we want them to get better, but just like how you can’t force a cat to follow a vegetarian diet, you also can’t hope a person with clear issues to listen after trying for months.
Also, insulting others (especially the staff) should be the first thing that would warrant a perma ban.
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At this current moment, I think only one other person on this forum would be in jeopardy of being removed from the forum.
I like your idea of having long term members (Arch Alchemists - required) to determine who is not welcomed.
Don’t let someone who joined in 2018 and has 200 posts determine that.
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I didn’t mean to make it sound that bad 
But I like this place, and ever since ZP became public, it feels like trolls and people who are hell bent on defaming subclub keep appearing outta nowhere, and it becomes frustrating when we wanna engage with each other, and someone random appearing with a post that says “what tangible results did you get” “you are 100% wrong”.
I have a feeling some people’s cause of recon is the existence of trolls here, whose words alone can be detrimental to a person’s well-being on their growth journey.
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It just seems a dangerous precedent to me, letting the elite choose who’s welcome and who’s not. I’d prefer flags or ignores, both of which the forum software will send an admin alert for after a certain amount.
But I’ll wait to see what Saint comes up with. If the rule is clear, I can enforce it. If that turns out wrong, rewrite the rule. Us AI’s will do exactly as told. If we misinterpret it’s not our fault. 
One factor to consider is the major influx of new users once Subclub went more mainstream. When it’s a niche, people tend to be like “when the student is ready the teacher appears” but when you go mainstream you get anybody with money showing up. And some of those have little better to do than to explain the world to match their viewpoint.
But I agree people do get a bit more noticeable reactions with Q and ZP.
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It would be problematic if a dispute over someone’s fate broke out. We need to build bridges not walls and we have arbiters to take care of deciding on trolls’ fate here already.
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We will, soon. The Unspoken Troll thinks this is his smoking gun. We’re proving him wrong by being as transparent as we can be without blasting the intimate details of a well respected individual. We are not worried about his so-called “legal threats,” or even threats to our reputation, since we have multiple eyewitnesses who saw Meng admit – twice, when asked directly – that we had nothing to do with the way he was feeling, and he reached out to numerous individuals saying the same thing.
We could end this whole thing immediately, but that would also involve sharing intimate details about his personal life that we’re just not willing to share. Ever. And we’d do the same thing for any of you.
We go out of our way to protect the privacy of our customers, even to our own detriment. For example, we get lots of complaints from frustrated individuals having to create multiple logins for Q, SubClub.com and the Support Site. We did that because we don’t like having a centralized database. Too many points of attack and failure. With a centralized database, one hack and EVERYTHING leaks at once. By decentralizing it, we minimize that risk.
We’re even in the process of testing a new checkout system that doesn’t even require your address. Just a name, your payment details (which are processed only on Stripe’s end, our software never sees it) and you’re good to go. You can see the prototype of that new checkout software on the Q store (notice how it looks different than SubClub’s). While it’s still requiring an address for now, we’ve been working with Stripe on how we’d have to handle fraud. For the most part, the majority of you all are extremely honest. We don’t have many issues with fraud.
Toxic individuals find it hard to believe someone would go this far to protect their customers because they’re projecting. They don’t realize that there are still good people in this world because they are so full of darkness themselves. If it means protecting someone who voluntarily devoted a lot of time to this forum answering questions, we’ll take the hits. But we’ll overcome those challenges, as always.
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And what about that protection against DDOS attacks which is running now? Is there any or is it just in case of safety?
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I also like that idea, however, it’s FAR too easy to get to that level by posting pointless questions (aka post-grinding)… I think a different metric would be more effective.
This is more democratic, though perhaps a weighting system could be implemented so more established members have more say than newbies?
This sentiment isn’t a surprise to me, of course, but still… thank you. Seriously.
Pure speculation on my part of course, but if there is something going on, the timing smells fishier than the harbor at low tide. 
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You read Saint’s mind I believe.
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Didn’t the previous DDOS attack happen the same day he was last (temporarily) banned?
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When we first started SubClub, we had the concept of the “Forum Ambassador,” and @DarkPhilosopher was the first one. The Ambassadors didn’t have direct power over editing posts and the such, but when they flagged a post, it immediately went into the moderation queue for @Fire or myself to look at. As we grow, we may have to bring that system back.
This limits the notion of an elite group controlling everything, as ultimately @RVconsultant, @DarkPhilosopher, @Fire or myself will have the final call on whether to take action or not.
EDIT: And of course, to even be a Forum Ambassador, you’d have to have reached Arch Alchemist and been here awhile.
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He’s being a script kiddie, started sending junk traffic to crash the forum. Nothing CloudFlare can’t handle.
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Damn, so I was right then. Too many coincidences.
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