I wish it were that easy but unfortunately, where I’m from getting a blood test/hormone panel is virtually impossible. Trust me, I’ve tried before.
Also I ran WZP in December, I assume that those levels have stabilized since then.
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Now this experience is quite interesting; here’s a case that would be worth much more dissecting than my own with Wanted.
I understand i know in the UK and places i been to in the balkans they have private clinics where you can get the blood tests done for a small fee.
Some countries you can only have this blood work done through a doctor.
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Exactly the case here. I’ve even tried the private sector, but to no avail. Only way I could get a hormone panel here is if I exhibit the signs of messed-up hormones.
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Not sure of the higher worth, but it was quite noticeable and discouraging for me. I was hoping ZP would skyrocket my results but unfortunately my results crashed and burned instead.
It’s like I went from the throne of the king on QV2, and then back to the groveling peasant on ZP. It kinda sucked tbh.
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I also want to mention that WZP did have excellent effects as well for me, I mentioned one of them here:
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Every single time we make a huge stride forward, a bunch of people comes out of the woodworks claiming the new technology is suddenly inferior to the last. It never happens at first, though. It’s only when we’re ready to move ahead at light speed.
When Qv2 came out, after months of use, SUDDENLY it was inferior to Qv1 because Qv2 was, get this: TOO POWERFUL.
And now ZP is suddenly weaker than Qv2 (it’s not, under any circumstances).
@Fire and myself have already decided that going forward, we’re never releasing new technology to the public like this. We’re soon going to develop a new research team, recruiting from the public and a research team portal. There, we will drip feed stuff to the community as a whole.
I’m not dealing with another Qv1 vs Qv2 issue. If Qv2 works so much better for you, go back to using it.
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I don’t see anyone making that statement.
One example of it:
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There could be 100 reasons for the breakout and WantedZP is not the likeliest. I don’t have to ask SaintSovereign to known there is nothing in the scripting that would cause that.
But if you wanna believe this to be the case, go ahead. You are only hurting your results.
My impression is that @WildCard is saying that ZP is too strong for him if anything, not weak. Him attesting to feelings of anxiety after using it is the reason why I get that impression.
My suspected reason as to why is because of the style of scripting in ZP, which pushes reality through you, versus Qv2 which gives me more of a ‘brute-force’ impression. I think WildCard’s having issues with ZP because of a lacking foundation, but that’s just my opinion.
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Nah man, I’m not saying it is weaker. I just have better experiences with qv2 that’s all. It is what it is. I didn’t mean that ZP sucked, but my experiences comparatively were much different.
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Guys we are all different this simply means different scripting ways will be more helpful than others . Please don’t take the words of other forum members as an attack on subliminal club and its founders .
For me personally
Stark zp awesome qv2 sucks
Alchemist zp stage 1 awesome qv2 not good
Regneration and elixer qv2 far superior than zp
Ascended Mogul zp is way better than QV2
WHY IS THIS .
The answer can come solely from @SaintSovereign and @Fire . Because of the way they script the subs .
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@bombayduck - it is fine to have issues and give honest feedback but in a thread which discusses end of life of the Qv2 version, there is this debate about which is better and hence such comments obviously leads to the conclusion that a few forum members think ZP isn’t better than the previous version.
If @WildCard or anyone else is having any issue with ZP audios, please ask fellow members in the forum or raise a ticket on how to improve their results.
SaintSovereign, ZP testers and others with excellent results will help out. Else this discussion is pointless as SaintSovereign is trying to convey over and over again and only provides confusion to new members.
@Simon provided an excellent reason as to why the source of the breakout would be from WZP: a rapid increase in testosterone. That’s been my suspicion as well. It’s also one of the stated objectives as per the creators themselves.
And like I said, you have no idea about my situation so you’re just making assumptions at this point to fit your narrative. If virtually every variable that could account for a breakout remains unchanged except for one, it would be logical to identify that variable as the source of the issue. Logic isn’t exactly used often by cult members though.
Hate to break it to you but my results have been great with every sub I’ve run, including Wanted ZP. I spoke about a potential negative that could be experienced by others because I myself experienced it, and here you are trying to gaslight me into thinking otherwise.
Like I said before, some of us treat this place like a community of research while others want to subscribe to a cult. I’ll stay with the former, thank you very much.
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I like this idea honestly, i feel that it will work way better over time.
I enjoyed being a part of the initial wanted and diamond zp tests. I hope that i can be apart of this next endeavor.
Mate nothing personal. You came outta nowhere to add fuel to the fire on the topic. But you want immunity because you ‘don’t appreciate it’
You’re right. This is a community. We give and take and no idea is immune to scrutiny (again I don’t know you so don’t take it personally. Your idea was good raw meat for a good point to be brought out by some of us and I won’t take it back)
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Wooow, did you just call me a cult member? 
I am sensing a lot of recon in this thread.
Simon provided one hypothesis but there are 100 others that are equally or more likely. Just search for “first time breakout, causes“ and you will find millions of results, and a lot more potential causes.
If you want to observe it scientifically, take a washout from Wanted for 3 weeks. Listen to one loop of Wanted and observe if you get another breakout. Repeat this experiment 3 times.
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The entire point of this community is to provide and share honest feedback about this experimental technology.
I’m not going to mince my words when I say this, but I truly believe that these supposed few forum members that think ZP isn’t better than Qv2 or other versions have to be certified idiots because there’s no other way to look at it otherwise. If 98 out of 100 people claim A is better than B, for these people to pivot towards B without any justification except for the experiences of others is genuinely foolish.
Agreed on the latter part definitely. I agree that Qv2 should be removed solely for that reason; provides too much confusion for new members.
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You cannot identify a single point in my posts where I explicitly called you a cult member. Maybe you’re projecting? 