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While I think most members are genuine, this smells like something that could turn into a clique. Any criteria for access should be clearly stated and apply to everyone equally so people understand what’s required of them, and should preferably lean toward inclusion rather than exclusion.

While some criteria like post count can be gotten around, the fact is we all know who they are, they’re pretty obvious. Same with the bad actors and those who regularly court controversy.

Some example criteria to consider:

  • Should have no official warnings or controversy or frequent flagging of posts.
  • Minimum time on forum, e.g. 1 year, but should be long enough to show significant exposure to SC subs
  • Minimum posts, e.g. 250 - not everyone posts a lot but some minimum level is probably needed otherwise there’s no way to judge their maturity, and if someone spams the forum it’s pretty obvious.
  • At least one journal of significant length
  • etc

These are just some examples.

Once the criteria are met the member should be able to request access through some official channel (e.g. support ticket), and not have to go requesting a referral from some select group of people. At that point if Fire/Saint, the mods or forum ambassadors have a reasonable objection to that user then the request can be denied otherwise I think it should be granted.

No system is foolproof, but I hope anything implemented is primarily inclusive, and that we avoid any system where popularity or connections on the forum are the basis for selection.

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I’m on a forum about business and success stuff which uses Xenforo.

I’m still trying to get used to the interface on that. It does have a cool feature though.

Has a “Power Score” where it’s a ratio of post reactions based on number of posts.

So the more someone posts without getting any likes or similar reactions, the lower the score.

So the ones who show up and post grind/spam always have a low score.

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Which email rules would those be?

We had to deal with the new dkim , but it was quite simple.

This. Not quite fond of the idea.

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To be honest, I do not think I would be affected if the “cut off” was being an Arch Alchemist.
I believe I have provided enough value on the forum that I’d get the nod, even if I was not that yet…
(been here for years and so on). And if not, I’m just a couple of hundred posts short of being an Arch Alchemist.

But if we are talking about a system… There needs to be a better one. Post count is not fair.

Edit: pure post count

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That’s well thought out. I like it.

The examples for the criteria are also good. One of my worries about the quality post requirement based on likes-to-posts ratio is it will discourage journaling in the forum, since i’ve read a lot of well thought out journals that barely get any likes compared to just writing whatever outside of a journal. The criteria you mentioned handle that problem better.

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We’re talking about gaining access to an advanced tier of potentially higher-intensity tools and resources.

So the relevant criteria of approval would seem to be to meet some threshold level in capacities such as:

  • sufficient responsibility and discipline (i.e., ‘Don’t drink and drive’)
  • sufficient ethical integrity/accountability (i.e., ‘I know the reasons behind my decisions and I can admit and own my mistakes)
  • sufficient ability to communicate openly and reasonably when necessary

What makes to sense to me is a 2-level process.

Level 1: A brief automated/semi-automated questionnaire that reviews the person’s past behaviors, experiences, and decisions with using subs in the past (and communicating about that usage)

Level 2: The personal discretion of the owners and staff of Subliminal Club based on the greater information they have about our past patterns of usage and behavior

The last ingredient for me would be that if someone were not approved for access to advanced/experimental products, they could be:

  1. told, in relatively concise and straightforward terms, what conditions or points led to their not being approved,

and (where possible)

  1. Informed of the conditions that if met would enable them to gain access, or at least to reapply for access.
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I do not have a recent journal. I do not really report my results.

Yet, I’m pretty sure I would qualify.

I know I’m an outlier. There needs to be a way to handle people like me.

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You bring up a good point. Some of our best customers and the type of customers we want are lurkers, or don’t post much.

And yes, you do qualify.

Keep the ideas coming.

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@SaintSovereign

Definitely a big fan of the idea of being able to choose the power level of major titles, that would be such an improved experience for us more advanced users.

I certainly consider myself an advanced member within the community, but I’ve never really been called to participate in customs even though I’ve looked… I believe for me the existing titles cover basically most of what I want, and in the future, I hope the titles we are missing come to existence.

I hope you don’t gatekeep it so that there are obscure criteria that must be met to qualify to participate in these changes if they go through. As @Viktor said, it should be equally obtainable for everyone.

Please consider raising the prices though, I want to make sure you guys are being rewarded for your efforts, and avoiding bottom of the barrel customers. Definitely not a popular thing to say amongst the forum since no one would really want to pay more, but I believe it would help to ensure a higher quality of customer so you guys can focus on just strictly building the best products and the best technology for results.

Beyond that, everything else would just be noise?

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Although post count might be one way to determine how well someone is advancing, and how responsible they might be, there might be some people who are following the guidelines diligently yet not posting.

What process could they go through to access Terminus or Terminus Squared?

I don’t know if I have a definitive answer, but that is the question I want to pose.

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I’m sure you don’t need me to remind you of it, but I feel like 2Tim 1:7 bears mentioning here: “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

If the spirit of fear is creeping in, that’s not a good place to be making big decisions from. With that being said, I do understand the many concerns that have been raised by Fire and yourself throughout the thread. Which is why I’m glad this was made into an open discussion to receive feedback before making any final decisions. I hope you take as much time as you need to recoup and make those decisions from a place like that described above.

With regards the persecution previously mentioned, wouldn’t having a checkbox much like the medical disclaimer for purchasing or downloading a potentially contentious (to some person’s beliefs) title provide a degree of protection from that? Something like a digital consent that “I’ve read the copy and accept personal responsibility for any outcomes from running this title”?

And, PS, I would second what TheBoxingScientist mentioned in response to the post about Khan Black 2 :wink:

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recently,I‘ve been doing long washout…I realise that there is so much potential that in ZP have not been fully harnessed……stronger power level ?I dont think that is a solution for every one….some people might require a bit twist in the scripts ……like having more or less of certain scripts… :grinning:

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I think this has already been implemented by the ZP refresh (recon reducing scripting) over 2 years ago, where the person first integrates parts of the script that are relatively easy to integrate for said person

oh,what I mean was…giving the buyer an option to choose what parts they want more or less….for example,Some one wants to buy the title Ascension…and there will be a section they could choose to have a bit more alphaness/purpose/self love or anything else…more like a mini module ,enough to have the little twist ,but not too much that completely change the overall goals of the title… :smirk: :grinning:

doing both might be a viable idea.
when u buy a sub, u get a watermarked sub and if u want to buy a name embedded one, u pay extra and get to keep both a watermarked and a name embedded one.

I like having access to watermarked but non name embedded sub coz sometimes u want to gift ur parents paragon and u dont want to buy paragon 3 times.

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Since not everyone’s very active in the forum, or maybe active at all: What about something based on orders and lack of complaining and otherwise creating problems?

Like “has at least a few majors and a custom or two and hasn’t been a problem customer”. That would, regardless of forum activity, imply that someone has experience and it’s working for them. The problem with forum activity is always that it excludes everyone who’s not active here.

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Since there are many lurkers that never write but probably spend more money then forum users, and probably still get good results, how about a personality test?
You hire an psychologists, explain the challenges and he creates a multiple choice test one can take every 6 months. If you score high enough you’re eligible for Terminus/², if not, wait for another 6 months.

Also about terms and conditions and listening instructions. I don’t think a simple checkbox with I read the terms and conditons or listening instructions or whatever is enough.

We all know that we set a hook on a checkbox easily to get what we want.

Perhaps another multiple choice test to check, if he really read text. At least for the very first purchase after introducing this policy.

That way, no one could buy modules without reading the instructions and claim a refund because he didn’t know he couldn’t listen to just 3 modules. Also no one could claim, he didn’t know that 5 hours a day is to much.

A bit like a SubClubLicense.

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Your ideas brought me to think that maybe one day subliminals will be officially endorsed as therapeutic tools and then SubClub can open the first ever Subliminal Clinic or at least it would be cool that custom subliminals be prescribed by psychiatrist instead of drugs, I can easily imagine you as one such doctor @Lichtenauer, you have shown incredible capacity in learning and sharing the knowledge with others!!

I like this idea but in this age of AI I bet this can be circumvented easily.