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#126

I believe sales, the simple conversation skill
of enrolling and committing someone to purchase,
is invaluable.

It’s turned my life around, and I’m probably
not even that good at it.

At best, I’m hardworking, slightly charismatic, and care about people, and at worst, I just have great help with subs and fell into an extraordinary situation.

That said, I attribute True Sell with supplementary wealth subs to have turned my financial life around faster than anything I could think of.

I would love to see a True Sell upgrade/True Sell Black with wealth, role/job, client and lead manifestation as part of it, tailored or adaptable from short to long sales cycles in one-to-one or one -to group situations. That’s it.

It’s all about earning as much income, or income in perpetuity, as fast as possible through sales and the indomitable mindset to do so continually.

Separately, a True Sell version oriented around marketing, online sales, etc. Social situations would be great , but my sense is EOG and other subs already cover that.

Clean-One-Sell

Edit:

This is a brilliant point

I work in several fields related to sells

  1. selling investors and institutions to invest capital -1 week-5+ year sale
  2. Assessing entrepreneurs and executives who want capital -1-3 month decision unless the company goes on a watch list
  3. A short cycle for a service-related product

They are all very different sales

  1. Trust relationship or credibility from other LPs and track record in performance and firm operations means more than anything
  2. Executive capacity, innovation, leadership, unyielding vision of service, and company capacity ability to communicate differentiation both story and on the current and projected balance sheets. Demonstrating a clear path to success and the character and team to get there. The early the company the more the CEO/Founder and plan will matter more than what might not be built
  3. Likeability, demonstrating company credibility, and creating a value proposition framed alongside someone’s intention in juxtaposition to their current pain create the movement of a sale.

All very different, however -elements are the same in all of them

verbal fluency,
conviction in service
everything in The Will to Power
ability to read and address people specifically
confidence and internal strength
a mix of creating respect and openness/receptivity in people.
not over speaking, but also speaking actually to enroll and open people up
demonstration of value
the correct gauge of relateability with driving the ball forward
expectation of sale and optimism mixed with detachment
Orientation around standing strong for people while being loving.
Persistence and not giving up on the larger picture
a desire to win and succeed balanced with humaneness and care.
faith everywhere it counts- oneself, others
emotional mastery and resilience
letting go of rejection
etc
these are relatively universal in different sales
or a sub that gives one the ability to shift in what and how they sell sell anything- which true sell already does to a great degree

The skills may be different in different kinds of sales but the quality and orientation of a person to achieve mastery in those different areas seems more adaptable.

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#127

Man how did saint ever get so smart,its like he knows everything about everything

#128

He must be test-driving the new Chimney Sweeper X :wink:

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#129

I know a lot about the topics that I know a lot about. When someone’s talking about a topic that I know little about, I usually say absolutely nothing, even in person. If a person is talking about something that interests me but I have little knowledge about, I’ll just listen and refuse to opine.

If it’s a topic I know a lot about, I talk a lot about it. This gives the illusion of “heightened smarts,” but it’s really more of a focused mastery type of things. On the topic of sales, I defer to the experts and their ideas here, then I do research to understand what they’re talking about. Just studying a lot of stuff.

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#130

Yes, sir! Do it, please!

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#131

Know something we don’t? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

#133

Well that was referencing New EoG 2025 having ZPU elements in it. I didn’t know if you would call it Pre ZPU, Prototype ZPU etc but saint stated somewhere recently it’s neither. I was assuming both will be early ZPU for lack of a better term

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#134

Genius

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#135

Yes you do.

Sorry to be so blunt.

Take everything I’m saying as a thought experiment:

But allow me to propose an alternative to you.

Don’t think of High Status as rich, wealthy, patriarchal stereotype-type stuff…

How would you feel about being surrounded by the people that YOU consider the coolest, most accomplished, doing the most important work on the planet, the people that could help you the most, the people that you resonate the most.

Now, imagine that THEY’RE who you could be surrounded by if you’re surrounded by High Status people.

If status to you means great family-men-and-women, or people in successful relationships, or people who have just figured out this thing called “happiness,” or other reiki practioners, or just really really nice people that exude and radiate warthm, happiness, compassion, or whatever is important to you… imagine being surrounded by them.

Whatever your vision and definition and status is.

Because if you have to be surrounded by wealthy greedy executive corporate types, as you seem them, and that doesn’t align with you, that sounds crap. They’re not your idea of high status.

I would love to be surrounded by high status people. But to me, that’s successful therapists that I don’t even talk about their work with, they’re just my friends. And it’s people who have passionate writing projects, and it’s people who run digital minimalism businesses…

Man… if you have a digital minimalism business, and you earn $4000/mo, and you have 6000 followers across all platforms, you’re very low status in the “traditional” sense but wow, you’re a god to me.

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#136

sc droppin dem big bangers bussin dem stacks wide open sheeesh.

#138

We’re kind a getting into semantics and words here with what you said. But what you wrote here I’d consider high value. There are high value people who don’t hold high status. There are high status people with low value.

Of course high value AND high status is the winning combo. But the world is messy. I see high status as an indicator of what resources and paths are available to you in life. Where you sit on this hierarchy. There are people who sit in positions of high status and influence with low value.

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#139

I was on the same wavelength as @JCDenton.the Combo looks epic, but I’m just here waiting for the New Chosen like a kid waiting for Christmas :love_you_gesture::innocent::smiling_imp:

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#140

I understand exactly what you’re saying and I completely agree, and I want to elaborate a bit because it resonates with something one of my mentors told me like 15 years ago (who is now a retired multimillionaire selling the most absurd of products, but making tons of cash). And this guy had no reason to even take me on as a “student,” as he was already rich. Was literally one of the things that changed my life.

Anyway, I think anyone looking at his good post should take note of the central idea here:

I took this as a suggestion that you change the idea of “high status” within the self, moving it away from “high status” equating to celebrities and other far off ideals that society imposes but are largely out of reach for most people, and simplifying it in a manner that allows you to reach your goals.

When I was first deciding to become an entrepreneur, as I had long lost faith in “the system” and was compelled to go my own way, I had A LOT of imposter syndrome as I was moving into the “online course” space. I felt guilty for selling information like that, given that I wasn’t making thousands and thousands of dollars each month. And I’m the type of person that deeply contemplates vocation – if I feel guilty, I cannot meaningfully engage with the work and it falls off.

During a call with him, he asked me what I thought the mental and emotional block was, and I explained the above to him. And he asked me, “how much did you make online last month?” It was around 3.5k to 4.5k, but that came easy to me – it’s something I’ve always been able to do. And his response was simple: “Do you know how many people out there would LOVE to just make $2k extra each month. Not everyone wants to make hundreds of thousands a year. Some people just want an extra cushion so they can enjoy their families or go on trips or just buy / do more things that they love.”

It hit me like a train. I realized that the reason I was having so much imposter syndrome was because I placed “high status” on only people making over a certain wealth threshold and if you didn’t make more than that, I was subconsciously declaring them “low status,” and with that definition, I had nothing to offer and thus felt like an “imposter.” But his point remains: there were indeed many people who loved hearing how to go from $0 to $1.5k a month.

I realized that I was crippling my own ability to earn income in this manner, because what I SHOULD’VE been doing is finding mentors, teachers, networks that had status in a more fluid manner that allowed me to create internal frameworks to learn from. For example, if you were like $10k a month consistently, which was more than I was earning, I should’ve been investigating the strategies and tactics they used to improve their wealth rather than writing them off as “not successful / high status enough.”

This even began to apply in ways that aren’t obviously linked to material wealth. When we decided we wanted to create a neutral, harmonious company that strived to give as much value to people as possible, we began to surround ourselves with people who exemplified that idea, even if they didn’t have lots of material wealth. They were still highly respected individuals who sacrificed so that others who did not have as much could still prosper.

And what I began to notice is that my earning power started to slowly rise, because I was grounding the lofty ambitions that society can demand – especially in the United States where successful entrepreneurs are often glorified – into a more realistic, practical framework that also honored the unique skills and talents that every person brings.

And this is one of the reasons we refuse to accept too much credit, or let people exalt us above the status that we feel like we legitimately have earned. If we did that, we’d be allowing others to project their ideals of perfection and status onto us, when the message of Subliminal Club and the idea of “becoming legendary” is for you to recognize your innate perfection that’s simply waiting for you to reveal it.

Zero Point is not “making” you do anything. It is simply helping you uncover everything standing in the way of you expressing who you truly are. You are the one doing the work. And just these simple changes in perspective can make quite the difference in how you approach life.

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#141

There are so many ways to live life. Personally speaking I feel like I’m still shaking off the influence of being made to feel there’s only a few valid ones. It’s like having an Olympic sized swimming pool but everyone’s cramming into one corner.

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#142

I’ve sat with this and I agree. :point_up:

Thank you for what you shared. :heart:

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#143

Reading your post reminds me of the love that Francisco and Rearden had for each other in Atlas Shrugged.

I can’t consciously say why, but reading your post brought that to mind.

I want friends like that in my life. I want to BE that for someone else.

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#144

Hey @SaintSovereign @Fire

Since The Executive is getting an upgrade, will Limitless Executive be upgraded aswell? That sub has really helped me start taking more action in my life, I can only imagine what an upgraded version would do for me and everyone else.

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#145

Yes, most definitely will.

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#146

No wonder since it’s aimed at our core abiltity to perform and learning through performing and, therefore, performing better and better, yielding better and better results. If only all the titles were aimed at our ability to perform (and learning through performing) within their target areas in this manner…

:snowflake:

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#147

One common feature that could make for a good battle ground.

How do these two titles deal with the phenomenon of feeling “not good enough.”

The average man responds to his own inferiority with over-compensation

Overcompensating at work, or overcompensation in social dynamics.

Work: This is the guy who looks super successful on the surface, but, is working hard (and posting about all his work) just to overcompensate for a perceived sense of inferiority.

Social: This is the guy who tries to look like really successful people like him, that he is really “cool” and he can “network” with successful people, he tries to get jacked, he tries to look like the guy he thinks everyone wants to be around.

He eventually accomplishes all of these things, but they’re just items on a check list. They’re not embodied senses. If he ever lost his job, or his friends, or his girlfriend, his sense of self-esteem would be ripped away from him.

How can the Executive and True Social help someone become HIGHLY social and successful, without using shame or overcompensation as a driver?

I’d love to see that addressed in both titles so we can see which expression was better.

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