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For context, I only ran 15s of primal seduction, but NRE led to the manifestation of an experience that has shook me to my core and altered my world view in hard hitting but powerful ways.

I was actually in a huge rut for 4 days.

60s of Art Of War (and the recon optimizing tech) was enough to get me out of that funk.

Microloops for both

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lol, for the fiftieth time — this is NOT the use case. It’s not meant to allow you to overexpose. There is absolutely NO NEED to run 15 minutes if you can’t handle it. You are NOT speeding up your results by using it in this manner, you are slowing yourself down.

We have no reason to lie about this. It isn’t a legal strategy, or a marketing ploy. It is the truth. Accelerated growth still requires consistency and stability. Without a strong foundation, any house you attempt to build will crumble. If 3 minutes gives you good results consistently, overexposing will only mess up that foundation and slow down results.

The west has this idea that intense growth is “better,” when growth — even accelerated growth — can be pleasant and peaceful. This addiction to “intensity” is one of the biggest issues in the world today, not just in the subliminal audio industry. Everything HAS to be “go harder, push yourself to the limit” when “progress at a fast, but reasonable and peaceful rate” actually generates better results.

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I’ve also come across this notion many times. Do you have any ideas where this might come from? Protestant Work Ethic?

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Just to ask before ordering drr4 name embed is there any chance of anti recon core being an extra avaliable slot(in addition to already one module slot) ? which im hoping for as i really need vitality module for the 1 avaliable slot for health reasons. Hard to choose between both as both are extremely useful, but having both would really be perfect from customer perspective.

Reminds me of a truth in open wheel and sports car racing, that “slow is fast”.

There’s a module idea in there if there isn’t already one.

I do have to say Harmonic Singularity has been one of the best modules I have put into a custom. The ability to understand and operate within paradoxes has been a boon to my subliminal journey.

I think it varies. But for me it’s a trauma response. The “reasonable yet peaceful rate” I guess at some point it got wired into my head that it was never enough. So intentionally going that path can trigger survival based anxiety.

I recommend subliminals to a lot of people.

I HAVE NEVER MET A NEW SUBLIMINAL USER THAT NEEDS MORE THAN 5 MINUTES OF EXPOSURE TO START.

I always tell them listen to 3-5 minutes, and to not increase or decrease until they can feel any positive/negative effects.

They can always feel subs after 2-3 weeks, maximum. Usually within the first week. And once they can feel the effect they either stay at 3 min and feel great success long term

OR

They drop down to 1 minute

It’s amazing how they have no preconceived beliefs except that 3-5 minutes is enough, because that’s the frame I set, so that’s what becomes true for them, and then for other people who have other beliefs they worry that 15m isn’t enough because of some other product/modality

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So you listen to all your subliminals for 5 min or less? How many times a week? And will you increase the duration when anti recon tech drops as there is less chance of recon

OK I get this, but if I dont get recon with my current cycle, is there still no point to going full 15 min?

If one gets no recon, that person should still stick to 3-7min at most?

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Basically 3 min or less.

5-8 mins once in a blue moon when I want “long exposure” usually near a washout or a 3-day break.

I also find Paragon is fine and I listen to 10-15 mins of it. That’s the only exception.

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Generally follow the 1-on-1-off schedule but sometimes I listen to 10-30s microloops on off days if I need a boost for a specific task (usually performance enhancing subs on big sales days or when I’m about to go on a date)

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I remember watching a docu on comparison between western and eastern art, in west whether in art or other areas of life there was strong development of individual ego wanting to shine, outcompete others and get all the glory and benefits that come with it which had been great for western culture to dominate world, while in east it was more collective ego than personal.

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Ok thank you my subliminal routine is 1 on 1 off but on day 1 i listen to paragon and day 3 i listen to spartan so as not to cause recon by stacking them,do you think listening only twice a week 3-5 min that the affect would still last? Because with lesser listening time the results do come quicker but also go quicker right

Who said that?

Its a comman thing i see people reporting,you can search up micro loops in the search bar and see for yourself

It’s about you and your sweet spot there’s not a one size fits all.

You already have the info. Now experiment and report what you find.

No one can do the leg work of experimentation for you, they can only provide hypotheses for you to test

I concur. It’s a mixture of both western “hustle culture,” which lead to this idea that if you aren’t being intense ALL the time, you’re doing something wrong. Only recently did I start to defeat this idea.

I was working and working and working until I got burned out, which would last for like an entire week. I’ve finally decided that around 6:30pm, no more intensive work other than answering forum posts. Finally started to feel rested, clear and we’re actually making slow, but steady progress on the backend.

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IMMEDIATE effects. As in the immediate sensation of running a title may fade quicker simply because there’s less information being processed, but this isn’t about the “sensation” that comes with running a title. It’s about the long-term effects. If you’re running a title for that immediate “feeling,” you should consider prioritizing long-term growth instead.

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If you’re 100% sure you’re not getting disruptive recon, yes – feel free to do 15 minutes. But if you experience recon that slows down productivity and growth, cut back. Again – I know exactly what’s in the script and should theoretically be able to do the full title and yet even I stick with microloops. I haven’t run a full title outside of testing in a very long time.

RoW at 1-3 minutes has completely changed my perspective and life for the better. When it comes to wealth generation, I simply do not feel the same anymore. Less can indeed be better.

No – the anti-recon scripting helps you RESOLVE recon. If you’re running microloops, you’ll be able to dissolve that recon quicker. Like others are reporting, this iteration doesn’t seem to be preventing recon, but rather helping you integrate and understand the issue very fast.

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@SaintSovereign you recommended a custom of

Eog st1+Row+Me

And then Eogst2+ Eogst3 + Stark black

However what would you recommend for a trader

Eogst2+Eogst3+Hom ?