If this were the case, subliminal audio wouldn’t exist in the first place. You’d know exactly what to do and when and how without needing any external tools.
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It’s an interesting idea. Reminds me of of something…
When you do breath work or meditation they ask you notice how you feel before the exercise. My understanding is that we’re so used to be in our head not in touch with our body to notice the improvement from the meditation. So then after you’ll notice the difference. The lessening of stress and tension as an example
I would guess it’s the same with subliminals. It’s not obvious because we can be pretty oblivious going around in our day to day, handling life, being in our heads.
I mean how often do we count our blessings? Especially subtle differences. We usually only notice/remember our negative experiences.
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What I mean btw is, you need to reflect and train that noticing awareness because it can be missed even if it’s obvious. I think we all understand how oblivious one can be.
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I generally get “obvious” results when initially starting a new sub.
I can agree that it might be hard to stick at something during the phase when there aren’t any external outcomes that seem related to the sub, usually after the 2 first weeks for me I enter a phase where I’m not in recon, but I also do not seem to have any obvious manifestations. It’s only with time I can figure out what happened during those “quiet weeks”. Usually whatever happened during those weeks, then remain. It’s also a small way of seeing which type of sub I actually want to run for the long-term even if I am not seeing immediate results.
Which makes me prefer the NSE/Non-obvious stuff, because it’s longer lasting and more of a transformation instead of just “here’s stuff thrown in your face”.
There was this sub, 6-7years ago which was wild. Results were out of this world (when they happened). But the results were so distant from the reality in which one was comfortable with, that they never ended up changing you, or massively improving your life. It was a bit like staying in your room, never going outside - just outside the door is piles of money, or heaps of women waiting for you just to go outside. But you never did, because you’ve only known your own house. Or it felt like a dream when you were outside the house. It didn’t end up feeling “real”.
SubClub, since NSE seems to do more of “well shouldn’t you go outside, some good shit might happen” - and some stuff might happen, but first of all you went outside. - That’s a massive transformation.
Obviously my metaphor is flawed, and there’s many here that will attest to more concrete results from SC - I’m not saying they aren’t happening, I’m just highlighting the inner transformation, which seems to come primarily now from NSE-subs.
If Saint & Fire can figure out a way to improve obviousness (external results) I’m all for that, as long it doesn’t limit the inner transformation.
And no, obviousness does not automatically lead to to accepting results, or it ends up feeling more dreamlike or amazement, but you’re still questioning whether it actually happened, or it must’ve been a fluke. Humans overall have an amazing capability to delude themselves, even after years of doing self-improvement work.
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I’m a bit confused where this “external results” movement is coming from suddenly. In our opinion, the effect of Zero Point is quite noticeable and obvious, and the NSE isn’t designed to make things “non-obvious.” Just the opposite, actually. Smaller, but consistent positive manifestations each and every day, but the key to success with it is not to force them, but quietly observe the day and the mind and watch what unfolds.
But if I had to guess, I’d say it’s the result of the ZPU scripting, externalizing in a desire to have “more obvious” results so that inner and outer experience can match. In other words, it’s a form of reconciliation, though a very interesting form, since it’s not this isolated sense of negativity but rather being expressed in a rational, logical manner.
And interestingly enough – not quite sure how to completely explain this yet in a clear manner (though @Fire and myself have written about it in our very detailed, treatise style of observation – I believe this means the tools based approach is working, as recon is now being analyzed not as this random phenomenon that just occurs, but somewhere within the user is being recognized as the result of disharmony between inner expectation and outer circumstances.
So, the natural solution being proposed? Make the outer results more obvious.
The thing is, I don’t think people are really thinking about subliminal audio works, particularly Zero Point. We can’t make a “manifest a promotion” title in the Zero Point format that simply “manifests” a promotion from your manager. Not how Zero Point works, and I’d make the argument that we’d be heading down an immoral direction if we even tried. Since we don’t think like that, I wouldn’t even know how to approach this.
Instead, if we made that title, it would be focused on helping you create and provide as much value as absolutely possible to your workplace. Mix that with some auras of popularity to get noticed, and what you have is what I’d called a “fair value exchange” promotion. You’re being promoted not because of some “trick” that a subliminal audio title bestowed, but rather because you are legitimately, to your core an invaluable employee whose contributions will legitimately enrich the business.
Zero Point is not about parlor tricks. It’s about guided focus and intent. Once you consciously commit your efforts toward your goals, Zero Point kicks in and helps you do just that. Reading between the lines, I think people are really just asking for scripting that helps them develop physical vitality and the sense of vitality that goes with it. They want to feel hyperawake and focused, so it becomes easier to work on business tasks. Now, that’s something we can definitely keep working on.
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In my specific case its more about awareness, being aware of the changes and manifestations and being able to build a stack of them when looking back.
That way I can build more confidence in myself, when I can clearly see the progress, where I came from, where I am and where Im going.
Since I have the tendency to integrate the change and forget about it. Its not about having a result and saying OMG a result! I already have that.
Anyways those are my thoughts.
That sounds good for a module, is there a module for that?
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I have a clear answer to that—it stems from a lack of self-awareness. Subliminal work is a form of transformational alchemy, and its effects aren’t always immediately obvious. That’s why it’s essential to know yourself well enough to recognize when something has shifted. This self-reflection not only helps you notice the changes but also enhances the transformation process itself.
If certain limiting beliefs are so subtle that you’re barely aware of them, it stands to reason that the changes might not be glaringly obvious. Expecting otherwise doesn’t make much sense to me.
In the end, it’s crucial for everyone to develop their own self-observation framework to truly track and understand their growth.
I shared my framework here:
Often, the transformation feels so natural that you hardly notice it happening. Also if you read this, noted that I said “doing them so naturally that you’d swear I was born that way”. If it feels natural, it’s by definition not obvious! 
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Thats what Im taking about… Im all for it feeling as if I was born that way, but that seems to make me forget the progress and feel like Im not moving. Not always, but from time to time.
Reading my old journals is a pretty strong way to help me remember the road Ive walked and the changes Ive been through.
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@Joa23 : Impatience plays a role in this too. I’ve been using Sub Club products for over four years now. Have I experienced every benefit they promise? Not entirely. But when I compare who I was before starting these subs to who I am now, it’s like looking at two completely different people. The old version of me feels like a stranger, and the only explanation for that transformation is the subs.
Here’s a specific example: for years, I lived with crippling anxiety and a constant sense of impending doom. It became so ingrained in me that it felt like a natural part of my existence—something I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Eventually, I almost stopped noticing it because it was just there.
The very first sub I purchased, Ascended Mogul, erased that deep-seated anxiety in just four months. The change was so smooth and natural that I didn’t even notice it at first. One day, I remember thinking, “Something feels different. Something’s missing!” It took me a while to realize that the heavy weight I’d been carrying for years had disappeared.
How do you make a change like that obvious? Was the sub supposed to make me dance in the streets shouting, “I’m free”? It doesn’t work like that.
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Absolutely!
It’s recon without blindspots… which isn’t really recon anymore. (I had a lot of them and recon mixed with bad bubbling FUD and avoidance tendencies with pretty much any wealth title, not with EoG, not at all.)
The ZPU hypetrain starts early.
Yeah Ive been guilty of wanting too much, too soon, also of focusing too much in the thing thats not changing, or that doesnt seems to change.
Definitely if I look back to the person I was when I used to listen Regeneration for about 8 hours a day, every day, the difference is outstanding, Im a totally different person.
I have a specific example too: after I ended the relationship with my ex a year ago, I was devastated, anger, sadness, loneliness and heavy anxiety. My grandpa died a month later and a month after that the doctor discovered a mass in my chest and needed surgery. I was very anxious 24/7.
Then after a while one day thinking I realized that I was no longer feeling anxious for some time and I was like “Damn thats great”.
That kind of change its very obvious when you become aware of it, but before it feels so natural that you dont notice it when its shifting.
I became free, Im at peace with everything that happened and my ex feels as distant as any other. The feelings for my granpa are joy and gratitude, Im already long recovered from surgery and training 3 times a week.
I guess my point is in developing the awareness to be able to notice the smaller steps, so I can feel more confident and relaxed during the process.
Weird thing is that I think that this idea has been strongly influenced and brought up by listening to RoW… I started 3 days ago and Ive been thinking this way since then.
Well there you go, Im already having the results I was hoping for, noticing the small steps, being more aware of movement and progress.
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I am so grateful for the fact that SC keeping the direction pure and honest.
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This explanation makes sense to me. Thanks.
So that means “if it feels natual” then the issue is me not being self-aware enough to notice the change. Okay.
What I meant by “I wish results were more obvious”, are manifestations that are “out of my league”, manifestations that “boggle your mind”, manifestations that make you say loud “wow, I never expected for such crazy results to happen” etc. because they are that far away from one’s regular natural baseline.
It feels like that some titles since the NSE era are too much “yin” type of change. As the baselines subconscously and unconsciously moves along in the background, the outer manifestations are in alignment with this shift of baseline, then it all feels all too natural and I often fail to notice what changes are actually happening. I gues with that journaling still makes sense to retrospectively notice the inner changes and shift of baseline.
Versus super obvious results, like e.g. on KHAN, me walking down the street in the evening in an area where usually no people are at all, then all of a sudden I manifest a young chick who literally throws herself at me, wanting to be taken home and effed right there… 
It is obvious results like these, that confirm to me that the manifestations are really working and that the sub is delivering what it has promised, because the chance of such things happening just randomly is pretty much zero.
Results like these are so obvious that regardless of whether it is in alignment with my current natural baseline or not, the tangible results are right there in front of me in an absolutely undeniable way. The results are so obvious that my mind has to accept on ALL levels that this is really happening, reaffirming the new state I have reached.
I think the NSE is already doing that and things like that, maybe there is a way to make these manifestations a little bit more obvious to the conscious mind. Like your subconscious mind telling you “Look, here is your manifestation according to NSE and this is why it is happening to you now so that you can make the experience of XYZ and incorporate it into your new identity as ABC”.
Absolutely.
I guess with my mind wanting more obvious results on a daily basis is my FOMO issue wanting me to experience everything that the sales copy promises right here and right now. Basically, what you have mentioned with “impatience”…
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Hey @Fire can you answer my pm? I sent it a few weeks ago in regards to possibly listening to Phoenix with a Rom/Ros custom. I’d really appreciate your opinion since you wrote Phoenix.
I believe it was my post that sparked this entire discussion.
This insight came to me while revisiting my journals from the past year. Over that period, I experienced significant personal growth, but I didn’t recognize it as it was happening. It was only in hindsight that the magnitude of my transformation became clear.
Yes. But not in terms of producing bigger results—those are already impressive.
What I was advocating aligns more closely with what @Joa23 articulated:
I’m not asking for an increase in results. What I desire is a heightened awareness of the results during the transformation process. Instead of only recognizing progress months later while reviewing my journal, I’d love moments of clarity in my day-to-day life.
Something along the lines of: “Whoa, last month this situation would have completely unsettled me, but today I’m surprisingly calm. That’s real progress.”
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I think this is based on the user. I definitely already have had that realization many times over. People need to have patience and trust the process. The lust for results might hold you back. I know with wealth titles I struggle the most on this aspect and don’t notice changes right away whereas my new confidence from running Khan has been very noticeable from within right off the bat. It depends on what issues you are working on and your level of awareness. Lust for results can blind you from seeing results.
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I think I answered my own question… @Parsifal you might be interested in this, I was almost quoting the module description lol
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Yes, but it’s only the second half.
It would need something like Heightened Result Awareness.
To embrace a result I must first be aware of it.
At least that’s how I read it.
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I agree with this
From what I’ve read above the argument seemed to be centered about making bigger results.
I think people will agree we don’t need bigger results. Subs will bring that to the max human potential.
In reality a lot of the results are deep but subtle change in one’s inner consciousness which will trigger a domino effect toward manifesting big and crazy results over a period of time.
Being aware of those subtle shift and changes could be a big addition in subs especially for those who have a bit of trouble noticing their inner world.
Edit : @Joa23 Feedback loop module looks insane I should of kept myself more up to date with latest modules 
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