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[Joa23]

@ksub

Impatience plays a role in this too

Yeah Ive been guilty of wanting too much, too soon, also of focusing too much in the thing thats not changing, or that doesnt seems to change.
Definitely if I look back to the person I was when I used to listen Regeneration for about 8 hours a day, every day, the difference is outstanding, Im a totally different person.

@ksub

Here’s a specific example: for years, I lived with crippling anxiety and a constant sense of impending doom. It became so ingrained in me that it felt like a natural part of my existence—something I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Eventually, I almost stopped noticing it because it was just there.

I have a specific example too: after I ended the relationship with my ex a year ago, I was devastated, anger, sadness, loneliness and heavy anxiety. My grandpa died a month later and a month after that the doctor discovered a mass in my chest and needed surgery. I was very anxious 24/7.
Then after a while one day thinking I realized that I was no longer feeling anxious for some time and I was like “Damn thats great”.
That kind of change its very obvious when you become aware of it, but before it feels so natural that you dont notice it when its shifting.

I became free, Im at peace with everything that happened and my ex feels as distant as any other. The feelings for my granpa are joy and gratitude, Im already long recovered from surgery and training 3 times a week.

I guess my point is in developing the awareness to be able to notice the smaller steps, so I can feel more confident and relaxed during the process.

Weird thing is that I think that this idea has been strongly influenced and brought up by listening to RoW… I started 3 days ago and Ive been thinking this way since then.

Well there you go, Im already having the results I was hoping for, noticing the small steps, being more aware of movement and progress.

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

@SaintSovereign

Not how Zero Point works, and I’d make the argument that we’d be heading down an immoral direction if we even tried.

I am so grateful for the fact that SC keeping the direction pure and honest.

[JCDenton]

@ksub

If it feels natural, it’s by definition not obvious!

This explanation makes sense to me. Thanks.

So that means “if it feels natual” then the issue is me not being self-aware enough to notice the change. Okay.

What I meant by “I wish results were more obvious”, are manifestations that are “out of my league”, manifestations that “boggle your mind”, manifestations that make you say loud “wow, I never expected for such crazy results to happen” etc. because they are that far away from one’s regular natural baseline.

It feels like that some titles since the NSE era are too much “yin” type of change. As the baselines subconscously and unconsciously moves along in the background, the outer manifestations are in alignment with this shift of baseline, then it all feels all too natural and I often fail to notice what changes are actually happening. I gues with that journaling still makes sense to retrospectively notice the inner changes and shift of baseline.

Versus super obvious results, like e.g. on KHAN, me walking down the street in the evening in an area where usually no people are at all, then all of a sudden I manifest a young chick who literally throws herself at me, wanting to be taken home and effed right there…

It is obvious results like these, that confirm to me that the manifestations are really working and that the sub is delivering what it has promised, because the chance of such things happening just randomly is pretty much zero.

Results like these are so obvious that regardless of whether it is in alignment with my current natural baseline or not, the tangible results are right there in front of me in an absolutely undeniable way. The results are so obvious that my mind has to accept on ALL levels that this is really happening, reaffirming the new state I have reached.

I think the NSE is already doing that and things like that, maybe there is a way to make these manifestations a little bit more obvious to the conscious mind. Like your subconscious mind telling you “Look, here is your manifestation according to NSE and this is why it is happening to you now so that you can make the experience of XYZ and incorporate it into your new identity as ABC”.

@ksub

But when I compare who I was before starting these subs to who I am now, it’s like looking at two completely different people.

Absolutely.

I guess with my mind wanting more obvious results on a daily basis is my FOMO issue wanting me to experience everything that the sales copy promises right here and right now. Basically, what you have mentioned with “impatience”…

[SaintSovereign]

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Round 2 officially ended with Alchemist: Singularity vs. Limitless: Mind’s Eye. But, the battle rages on as we continue to push each other into taking bold risks with our re-imaginations of your favorite titles. First – Symmetry: Seductress is next up and was developed “out of competition.” With this round, we decided to take a look at some rather neglected titles to see if we could complete revitalize them and make them extremely useful in your stacks. For Round 3, your choices are: @Fire - E…

[Geoff]

Hey @Fire can you answer my pm? I sent it a few weeks ago in regards to possibly listening to Phoenix with a Rom/Ros custom. I’d really appreciate your opinion since you wrote Phoenix.

[Parsifal]

@SaintSovereign

I’m a bit confused where this “external results” movement is coming from suddenly.

I believe it was my post that sparked this entire discussion.

@Parsifal

Over the past four weeks, I’ve realized just how smooth NSE feels in its operation.

This insight came to me while revisiting my journals from the past year. Over that period, I experienced significant personal growth, but I didn’t recognize it as it was happening. It was only in hindsight that the magnitude of my transformation became clear.

@Parsifal

With this in mind, I wonder if future updates could include scripting designed to make results and improvements more apparent.

@SaintSovereign

So, the natural solution being proposed? Make the outer results more obvious.

Yes. But not in terms of producing bigger results—those are already impressive.

@Parsifal

I’ve read several accounts suggesting that pre-NSE results were more noticeable—not necessarily that there were more results, but that they were easier to perceive.

What I was advocating aligns more closely with what @Joa23 articulated:

@Joa23

It’s more about awareness, being aware of the changes and manifestations.

I’m not asking for an increase in results. What I desire is a heightened awareness of the results during the transformation process. Instead of only recognizing progress months later while reviewing my journal, I’d love moments of clarity in my day-to-day life.

Something along the lines of: “Whoa, last month this situation would have completely unsettled me, but today I’m surprisingly calm. That’s real progress.”

[Pyro]

@Parsifal

Something along the lines of: “Whoa, last month this situation would have completely unsettled me, but today I’m surprisingly calm. That’s real progress.”

I think this is based on the user. I definitely already have had that realization many times over. People need to have patience and trust the process. The lust for results might hold you back. I know with wealth titles I struggle the most on this aspect and don’t notice changes right away whereas my new confidence from running Khan has been very noticeable from within right off the bat. It depends on what issues you are working on and your level of awareness. Lust for results can blind you from seeing results.

[Joa23]

@Joa23

In my specific case its more about awareness, being aware of the changes and manifestations and being able to build a stack of them when looking back.
That way I can build more confidence in myself, when I can clearly see the progress, where I came from, where I am and where Im going.
Since I have the tendency to integrate the change and forget about it. Its not about having a result and saying OMG a result! I already have that.

Anyways those are my thoughts.

That sounds good for a module, is there a module for that?

I think I answered my own question… @Parsifal you might be interested in this, I was almost quoting the module description lol

The Feedback Loop - Quintessence by Subliminal Club

[Parsifal]

Yes, but it’s only the second half.
It would need something like Heightened Result Awareness.
To embrace a result I must first be aware of it.
At least that’s how I read it.

[GoldenTiger]

I agree with this

@Parsifal

Heightened Result Awareness

From what I’ve read above the argument seemed to be centered about making bigger results.

I think people will agree we don’t need bigger results. Subs will bring that to the max human potential.

In reality a lot of the results are deep but subtle change in one’s inner consciousness which will trigger a domino effect toward manifesting big and crazy results over a period of time.

Being aware of those subtle shift and changes could be a big addition in subs especially for those who have a bit of trouble noticing their inner world.

Edit : @Joa23 Feedback loop module looks insane I should of kept myself more up to date with latest modules

[Joa23]

I understand your needs are a bit different that mine, even though there are some similarities.
For me Feedback Loop fits all I needed.

@GoldenTiger

Feedback loop module looks insane I should of kept myself more up to date with latest modules

Oh it is insane, I just ordered this beauty, to me the best custom Ive ever created.

AoH
RoW
Singularity’s Paradox
The Feedback Loop
Flowing Freely
Worthiness Recalibration
Roots of Scarcity

[Parsifal]

Recony post. Have to rewrite it later

[Joa23]

@Parsifal

refined this idea beautifully, framing it as enhanced awareness of the results.

Curiously enough the process that led me to frame that idea beautifully, as you said, was an outside reflection of what was already happening inside me due to using AoH and/or RoW.

By that I mean that its already happening for me, somehow its becoming easier to be aware of the little results that before I was blind to and the long running growth process implied by them.

Thats likely why Im so enthusiastic about the Feedback Loop now.

[Goldfinger]

@Joa23

Thats likely why Im so enthusiastic about the Feedback Loop now.

Have you looked into

Illusions of the Mind - Quintessence by Subliminal Club

[Goldfinger]

I had this same issue of ‘not getting results’ while I was on QL St1&2, it was almost driving me mad. However within some gaps, I could observe my results clearly, and they were ridiculous. It dawned on me, it was all recon.

What I needed was clarity, to know the nature of the result expected and bringing myself back into the moment to observe it.

We are changing on a moment to moment basis, some changes so close to identity level that it eludes us at first, especially on these subs. So many results fly over our conscious observation that it’s kind of ridiculous.

To spot these changes in real time, I applied some things I learnt on Sanguine

• Breath and bring yourself back into the moment
• Try to link a result you’ve already observed into the moment
• Then take time to spot any thing that was different since you observed the result above, like a mental replay - anger, passing thought, moment of fatigue, brain fog even the one you’re currently in.
• Use it to remind yourself that positive change is underway. it’s also fine to be patient and give yourself time to integrate.
• Take your mind off it and move onto another different action or thought process. (Preferably the ones you entertain to handle recon, able self care scripting in the subs)

OR you can do a similar process, when journaling right before bed.

After the above, you would have forcibly shifted your perspective towards the result, reinforced change, associated the change with positivity towards yourself, trained your skill of patience, trained your ability to spot results, and trained your ability to handle recon.

Overtime you will only get better at it. You don’t need extra scripting to do this.

[Metamorphosis]

During the 4 months I was listening QL, I didn’t even realise the changes until I did a washout and it just bloomed for me.

To put things into context, I would probably watch 45-60 mins educational content at max in a sitting.

I now do 10-12 hours without breaking a sweat if I’m interested in it.

I can’t pin point to what exactly it did, but it made me very curious and developed a deep hunger to learn.

I take a lot of action too.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

this means the tools based approach is working, as recon is now being analyzed not as this random phenomenon that just occurs, but somewhere within the user is being recognized as the result of disharmony between inner expectation and outer circumstances.

I utilize this approach every day, and even more so on Emperor I’m working with passionately.

That disharmony occurs to me more as the disaligment between the intent (what I really want to accomplish fostered by the focus the scripting elicits) AND the execution (the results). It’s like an unhinged door that is meant to open and close yet cannot perform its job entirely or at all. Its ABILITY TO PERFORM (taking EFFECTIVE action) is impaired and only the right adjustment can enable it to perform its job.

ZP is like a series of adjustments to our ability to perform within a given intent which is the core of realizing it (executing your intent, aka getting desired results). Naturally, those adjustments cannot be accurate when operating in “vacuum” (in your mind solely-like running SSX and sticking to porn), they need to be tested against the reality of the “unhinged door” (someone whose abiltiy to perform within the intent is low to none). If those adjustments don’t get tested (no action taken), they look for another outlet that would make the final adjustment happen. However, this way is much much slower (hindered growth) and frustrating (recon), and often yields random results.

@SaintSovereign

So, the natural solution being proposed? Make the outer results more obvious.

…and even when it’s hard, don’t stop on honing your abilty to perform within your intent. Your results WILL become more and more obvious, more and more intended.

Aslo, we need to remember that the results are indicators that we’re heading towards our goals and that our ability to perform is improving (which is way more important than the results and our current goals).

I just can’t wait until the new Executive has got releasd as, I believe, it’s going to be utterly focused on our core ability to perform (learning through performing/doing and applying what we’ve learnt).

[KingofClubz]

Here’s a picture that looks like the battle between @SaintSovereign and @Fire

[Skadoosh]

Random, but I just realized that Saint’s profile picture is a dragon that faces left. Fire’s profile picture is a dragon that faces the right.

We need Dave to make an entrance and drop a banger in the grand finale, as the 3rd dragon head in the middle.

Saint vs Dave vs Fire. 3 headed dragon, like King Ghidora. The head of Subliminal Club.

Saint and Fire who were dueling, must rally together and join forces to defeat Dave - the one who possesses the most dangerous and inconceivable banger to date. The great stack destroyer. Saint and Fire fusing together like Goku and Vegeta aka Vegito. And so was the birth of Flame Sovereign. The final act. The unexpected rival. The banger of all bangers.

[WinglissStark]

Well…