PLEASE READ: Fire vs. Saint Round 2

[emperor_obewan]

@Saiyan4Blue

@SaintSovereign You mentioned that after receiving a massage/therapy, it felt like trauma trapped in your body was released. This could be a great starting point for Revelation of the Body.

I agree that it’s a good starting point as well.

I can imagine that for @SaintSovereign and Fire designing a sub like RoB would be quite difficult, as the body is quite a contentious topic in different faiths, and the company strives to be neutral on matters like politics and spirituality/faith, making the subs equally beneficial for any faith.

There are some traditions which emphasize withdrawing from things of the world and “mortifying” the body. There are others which revel in it, glorifying sensuality and taking a more hedonist, “practical” view. And then there are those which acknowledge the body and its purification in order to go beyond the body and master it. Some Hindu/Tantric philosophies have an entire system of rebuilding the body and its muscles through pranayama with minimum food intake required, including the Ayurvedic traditions around kayakalpa (bodily rejuvenation/immortality) and nirahara samyama (a Hindu variation on breatharianism which explores the ability for the body to survive without food, or on minimal food, using various samyamas and prana manipulation techniques).

So there is quite a wide array of possibilities for anyone trying to understand the limitless capacities of the spirit with relation to the body available to look into. Ultimately the sub could not focus on any one specific tradition as this would go against the neutrality, but in the in-between regions and in wording there would be a lot of wiggle room to open peoples minds up to appreciating the depth of the body’s possibilities without steering them in a particular direction. It would just be tricky. I would imagine there would need to at least be some aspect of exploring how the body and spirit could interact. The whole Revelation series is about self exploration, guided by specific subject areas.

[SaintSovereign]

Perfect answer for anyone else wondering what our hesitations are on this title.

[SaintSovereign]

Loading everything for EoG now. Script is going through Q. Soon.

[Saiyan4Blue]

@SaintSovereign

Perfect answer for anyone else wondering what our hesitations are on this title.

And isn’t NSE the perfect answer to this as well? it could tackle all of that using the knowledge and conscious guidance which is comfortable to the user? As well as guiding them towards what they need in their own unique way?

sry to drag this on… now back to the hype… I WONT SLEEP BEFORE EOG IT’S 1:20 AM HERE AND I GOT A WHITE MONSTER READY FOR TOMORROW!!!

[sid]

Hey @SaintSovereign

I am going to ask a question that sound rediculious

I am going to shot a video for myself for my business and will make it as ad on social media … I already do this thing since year ago and stark helped me in this … at the time of the Ad

1- is it better to play EOG the stage that have magnetic presence in it . Or not bother myself and play stage 1 first ?!

2- Magentic presence aspects or fame aspects in general … did it have a fects on the video itslef or in me … for example will it affect the people who are seeing my old videos or will affect only the new videos after using magnetic presence aspect?! I think that question apply also to stark black

Thanks!

[SaintSovereign]

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[SaintSovereign]

It would help, yes. Presence is more than just an energetic aura. There’s also body language, tonality, etc.

It’s not “retroactive” however. Only affects future videos.

[Monarch]

@SaintSovereign

how would dragon reborn gold and ecstasy of gold do for a long term stack? then eventually graduating back into stark black + eog + others

[Prioritas]

@SaintSovereign

@Jouissance

spiritual understanding of how central the body is to spiritual/mystical teachings.

And this is something I’m reluctant to write about because I don’t have enough knowledge, there’s far too many doctrines with differing ideas to just choose one. With things like business / EoG, we can deconstruct the habits and patterns of those who have achieved a high level of success and spot the patterns to write about. With this topic, I am at a loss. The Taoists have differing ideas than the Buddhists, and they have differing ideas than in Hinduism. Then we get to the Abrahamic faiths, which takes a much, much different approach.

Somatic work?

Being at peace and at ease and feeling safety in the body, as a portal to spiritual ease and peace

[Judoka]

@AnswerGroup how many rounds of fire vs saint will we have until the finale?

[Fire]

@Judoka

@AnswerGroup how many rounds of fire vs saint will we have until the finale?

[TheGreenMan]

@Fire

as anyone can verify, there’s plenty of other stuff out there that creates cool tingles but barely creates any change in one’s life

Totally.

Even if the tingles have no/minimal effect on their own they could help the subliminal process. A mask that e. g. relaxes or gives you shivers could IMO make it easier to trust the process.

I sometimes get these perception shifts / hyper focus when listening to SC subs and that feels very much like proof (besides the results) that something is happening/working, as many results are subtle at first and normal after a while. (I totally get how this could feel a little like a laugh track in a sitcom though.)

[JCDenton]

@Fire

That being said, I’m not against increasing obviousness of results. We’ll note this down and see if we can tweak it without compromising results.

I would love to have increase in obviousness!

It definitely helps with the integration of the script and for reducing the self-sabotaging ego patterns of “hand waving away results”.
When things are “obvious” to the conscious mind then it is much harder to not believe in the changes and much easier to accept that they are really happening.

After all, isn’t the process of doing journaling exactly that?
Writing down things in order to make them more evident and obvious to oneself?

The more obvious results are, the less journaling is needed.
Because when something is already obvious, then there is no need to uncover it through writing first.
The more obvious results are, the less introspection and self-reflection is needed in order to make the unconscious conscious.

[Jouissance]

EOG is very obvious, IMO

[SaintSovereign]

@JCDenton

Because when something is already obvious, then there is no need to uncover it through writing first.
The more obvious results are, the less introspection and self-reflection is needed in order to make the unconscious conscious.

If this were the case, subliminal audio wouldn’t exist in the first place. You’d know exactly what to do and when and how without needing any external tools.

[Risky]

It’s an interesting idea. Reminds me of of something…

When you do breath work or meditation they ask you notice how you feel before the exercise. My understanding is that we’re so used to be in our head not in touch with our body to notice the improvement from the meditation. So then after you’ll notice the difference. The lessening of stress and tension as an example

I would guess it’s the same with subliminals. It’s not obvious because we can be pretty oblivious going around in our day to day, handling life, being in our heads.

I mean how often do we count our blessings? Especially subtle differences. We usually only notice/remember our negative experiences.

[Risky]

What I mean btw is, you need to reflect and train that noticing awareness because it can be missed even if it’s obvious. I think we all understand how oblivious one can be.

[Bobby]

I generally get “obvious” results when initially starting a new sub.

I can agree that it might be hard to stick at something during the phase when there aren’t any external outcomes that seem related to the sub, usually after the 2 first weeks for me I enter a phase where I’m not in recon, but I also do not seem to have any obvious manifestations. It’s only with time I can figure out what happened during those “quiet weeks”. Usually whatever happened during those weeks, then remain. It’s also a small way of seeing which type of sub I actually want to run for the long-term even if I am not seeing immediate results.

Which makes me prefer the NSE/Non-obvious stuff, because it’s longer lasting and more of a transformation instead of just “here’s stuff thrown in your face”.

There was this sub, 6-7years ago which was wild. Results were out of this world (when they happened). But the results were so distant from the reality in which one was comfortable with, that they never ended up changing you, or massively improving your life. It was a bit like staying in your room, never going outside - just outside the door is piles of money, or heaps of women waiting for you just to go outside. But you never did, because you’ve only known your own house. Or it felt like a dream when you were outside the house. It didn’t end up feeling “real”.

SubClub, since NSE seems to do more of “well shouldn’t you go outside, some good shit might happen” - and some stuff might happen, but first of all you went outside. - That’s a massive transformation.
Obviously my metaphor is flawed, and there’s many here that will attest to more concrete results from SC - I’m not saying they aren’t happening, I’m just highlighting the inner transformation, which seems to come primarily now from NSE-subs.

If Saint & Fire can figure out a way to improve obviousness (external results) I’m all for that, as long it doesn’t limit the inner transformation.

And no, obviousness does not automatically lead to to accepting results, or it ends up feeling more dreamlike or amazement, but you’re still questioning whether it actually happened, or it must’ve been a fluke. Humans overall have an amazing capability to delude themselves, even after years of doing self-improvement work.

[SaintSovereign]

I’m a bit confused where this “external results” movement is coming from suddenly. In our opinion, the effect of Zero Point is quite noticeable and obvious, and the NSE isn’t designed to make things “non-obvious.” Just the opposite, actually. Smaller, but consistent positive manifestations each and every day, but the key to success with it is not to force them, but quietly observe the day and the mind and watch what unfolds.

But if I had to guess, I’d say it’s the result of the ZPU scripting, externalizing in a desire to have “more obvious” results so that inner and outer experience can match. In other words, it’s a form of reconciliation, though a very interesting form, since it’s not this isolated sense of negativity but rather being expressed in a rational, logical manner.

And interestingly enough – not quite sure how to completely explain this yet in a clear manner (though @Fire and myself have written about it in our very detailed, treatise style of observation – I believe this means the tools based approach is working, as recon is now being analyzed not as this random phenomenon that just occurs, but somewhere within the user is being recognized as the result of disharmony between inner expectation and outer circumstances.

So, the natural solution being proposed? Make the outer results more obvious.

The thing is, I don’t think people are really thinking about subliminal audio works, particularly Zero Point. We can’t make a “manifest a promotion” title in the Zero Point format that simply “manifests” a promotion from your manager. Not how Zero Point works, and I’d make the argument that we’d be heading down an immoral direction if we even tried. Since we don’t think like that, I wouldn’t even know how to approach this.

Instead, if we made that title, it would be focused on helping you create and provide as much value as absolutely possible to your workplace. Mix that with some auras of popularity to get noticed, and what you have is what I’d called a “fair value exchange” promotion. You’re being promoted not because of some “trick” that a subliminal audio title bestowed, but rather because you are legitimately, to your core an invaluable employee whose contributions will legitimately enrich the business.

Zero Point is not about parlor tricks. It’s about guided focus and intent. Once you consciously commit your efforts toward your goals, Zero Point kicks in and helps you do just that. Reading between the lines, I think people are really just asking for scripting that helps them develop physical vitality and the sense of vitality that goes with it. They want to feel hyperawake and focused, so it becomes easier to work on business tasks. Now, that’s something we can definitely keep working on.

[Joa23]

@SaintSovereign

I’m a bit confused where this “external results” movement is coming from suddenly. In our opinion, the effect of Zero Point is quite noticeable and obvious, and the NSE isn’t designed to make things “non-obvious.” Just the opposite, actually. Smaller, but consistent positive manifestations each and every day, but the key to success with it is not to force them, but quietly observe the day and the mind and watch what unfolds.

In my specific case its more about awareness, being aware of the changes and manifestations and being able to build a stack of them when looking back.
That way I can build more confidence in myself, when I can clearly see the progress, where I came from, where I am and where Im going.
Since I have the tendency to integrate the change and forget about it. Its not about having a result and saying OMG a result! I already have that.

Anyways those are my thoughts.

That sounds good for a module, is there a module for that?