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#925

You’re trolling right? You HAVE to be trolling.

You already got this answer when you said all spiritual subs were the same.

Yes… you have to read the descriptions to understand the difference :rofl:

Top tier trolling.

Here’s the answer you got last time.

What if someone wants to turn sex into a sexual/spiritual experience a la DivD but doesn’t want the before sex/after sex to be especially romantic.

Not even gonna get started on how different EmpD is to every other sub every released by far

@JCDenton I think one thing that will be extremely helpful for you is to think about your goals first and your subliminals second. Really define who you want to be in life and then run the sub that helps you get there and is most aligned.

Khan being serious Vs Primal being fun isn’t a minor difference, it’s a HUGE difference. What do you ultimately want for your life?

All subs in the seduction category help you get more sex, so if your goal is simply “more sex” than you’ll never understand the nuance. But if your goal is a maximally enjoyable lifestyle that is so aligned to who you are that more sex is a natural byproduct, then, now it becomes really important to pick the sub that most aligns with you. You’ll have more sex regardless. But do you want to be more serious (khan) or more fun (primal?). Do you want to do cold approaches (PS) or be approached (WB?).

Same with the sexual enhancement subs. PN and RoTNW are wildly different. In one, you have rough sex, and in the other, you lay back and get extracted. Both have manifestation scripting. Both have stamina scripting to support those manifestations. On the surface, they’re similar, but if you actually read the descriptions (not just the objectives) you’ll understand the difference.

Not to mention PN is primarily a sexual enhancement/pillow talk sub, and RoTNW is primarily a sexual manifestation sub, so they’re not even “similar but different.”

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#926

You are free to ask questions, no need to apologize.

However, I don’t agree with your point and I believe it comes from a too-logical standpoint, a standpoint attempting to force things into very static boxes.

There are vast differences in how each title executes and the goals of each to the point that unless you were trying to be extremely logical to a fault, it simply wouldn’t even make sense.

Perhaps you are wanting to have a single title for each major aspect of one’s life? One title for spirituality, one title for status, one title for romance, etc.

What happens in that case for the people who don’t see spirituality the same way? Or if one wants to lead a more specific lifestyle?

Conscious guidance can do great things, but not to such an extent.

The objectives - get more money, have a better dating life, grow spiritually, get a better body. Can you imagine if we just cut out all the titles and had 6-7 titles with the objectives being like:

Spirituality Sub:

  • Get more peace.
  • More energy flow.
  • Feel more in-tune with the universe.

Wealth Sub:

  • Get more money.
  • Get more opportunities.
  • Get more connections.

More clear? Sure. Boring as hell? Yes. Is it going to fit most people? Hell no.

Hence we come to what we are doing at the moment:

Exactly. You are looking for a specific “play by play, step by step, feeling by feeling” list that is super clear and objective.

And such a thing cannot exist. It is impossible to be made.

Why?

Because we are all individuals, all unique beings.

My perception of reality is going to be vastly different from yours. My feelings, my thoughts, my beliefs - all are going to be different.

That is why we create titles in such a way, where one has to read and intuit what the title is doing. If you carefully read, feel and intuit each copy, you will see that each title has vast differences in the way they execute, in the way they feel and in the ultimate goal.

Because that is important. Because that is how you will get a glimpse of what the title will do for you - because ultimately, while we create these titles with a specific goal in mind, the way it executes is going to be different for each one of us.

So, rather than “mining long sales copies”, read it and let your mind wonder and think. Make no mistake, there is no New Age-y thought hidden here - this is simply allowing your subconscious mind to show you the possibilities.

And don’t dismiss what comes up for the sake of being “logical”. Don’t dismiss your own intuition (i.e your subconscious mind giving you clues) for the sake of an “objective, 100% clear and super correct” objectives list.

So, to summarize - it is by intention that the copy is written the way it is. We want you to think for yourself, to think deeply what you want. In fact, we were reluctant to include the existing objectives for these very same reasons outlined above - people get too stuck on them, and not enough on allowing themselves to experience each title and let it unfold.

And when you allow yourself to experience each title, when you allow your subconscious mind to “soak” in the copy and give you those intuitive pings, you’ll realize just how different each title truly is.

P.S. And I have to point out, as someone who is extremely meticulous about the differences of each title (and the one who always annoys @SaintSovereign with “okay, how does this title differ from X?”, and while all what I just said stands on its own, at the end of the day, with all the logic and objectivity in the world… These titles are so damn different my man, rofl.

I was genuinely confused for a bit when I first read this post.

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#927

Hello, I am not trolling. Just expressing how I feel about all of this.

Yes, I am reading every copy multiple times, even comparing features with an Excel spreadsheet.

Unfortunately, this advice has not helped me at all so far.
Because it seems that it does not matter whether I have clearly defined goals (I do have them), because if I don’t understand the differences between the titles, then I am not able to match the right title with my defined goals.

This huge difference was not really clear to me from comparing the sales copies. I really only understood it after running both titles and how they made me feel. Besides this major main difference, Khan and Primal feel very similar to me. Maybe Khan is a little bit more “invincible” and “dominant” and Primal is a little bit more “socially proactive”, but that fun vs serious factor is what made all the difference for me.

It seems I am personally only able to figure what titles really align with me, after I have the run the actual title and compare my feelings and results that I get from them. Because otherwise, when I compare the product descriptions, I often get a different understanding from what to expect, than from what I then practically get results-wise.

#928

Thank you for the quick feedback.

Maybe you are right about this. Many differences of the various titles I only truly understand when running them and comparing how I feel about them (versus logically comparing the features).

That would be nice, but I understand that I would need to build my own custom for that in order to do that.

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess I am too logical and head-focused when comparing the sales copies and not trusting my intuition and feelings enough.

I am trying to do this, but instead what happens is that my mind seeks to summarize the new copy that I am reading and then compare this summary with the summaries I have created in my head about other titles.
Since I am then mentally comparing the summaries, many titles feel very similar and then I have a hard time understanding the main differences.

Sorry, I didn’t want to offend anyone. I don’t know why after all those years I still have so much trouble with comparing the different titles. Maybe it is, as you said, because I am trying to act from logical summaries perspective etc.

I will try and focus on this advice here of turning the sales copy into a feeling in me and avoid trying to make a logic-based summary:

Thank you again for the advice.

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#929

Mr. Ga

#930

You’re choosing your External / Quantitative / Having Goals,
but not their Internal / Qualitative / Being Goals.

For example:
You want to build wealth, … AND? …
– What Qualities / Skills you want to build and capitalize on?
– What kind of journey do you want to embark on?
– What habits do you want to cultivate?
– Who do you want to come across as?
… Hard working Professional, Systemized Business Entrepreneur, Investor & Dealmaker, Trusted Manager & Leader, Innovative Genius, Celebrity Influencer?

Once you expand your Goal definitions to include how you want to feel, how you want others to see & treat you, who you want to become in the process of achievement, etc. – you should see differences between titles by reading sales copy and member posts, without requiring to play them.

HTH

:+1:t2:

Edit:

This old post had another example of Qualitative values. Attaching for completeness.

:slightly_smiling_face:

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#931

When I’m reading the sales copy I imagine myself as the protagonist of the “story” and whether the story and that character resonate/align. and to what point, with my “perfect life” and my “perfect character”.

The objectives serve as a concise summary, listing the key points.

:snowflake:

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#932

Just to add, there’s always titles like Genesis that can help with knowing what titles match you and which don’t. And there’s also a lot of titles to develop your intuition and other more subtle and less quantable qualities and skills.

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#934

When does ROUND 2 commence ? :smirk:

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#935

Probably somewhere between soon and never :rofl:

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#936

Try putting both copies into ChatGPT and sing it to summarize the core differences and potential use cases that are unique to each title.

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#937

Soon. Resting now, handling back end stuff. Round 2 is going to be fun, though. We will announce them soon.

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#938

Can’t wait , you guy are a blessing to this new and innovative industry and I’m fortunate and lucky enough to randomly come across your guys website link 5 years ago …keep up the good work ! :pray:

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#939

Same. I am also 5 years in.

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#940

I knew about SC since years ago too, But I didn’t decide to give SC a try until 1.5 years ago.
I remember there was Ascension Lite in the store back then.

If I could go back in time, I would smack young viktor’s head and tell him to just go with SC, rofl.

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#941

5 years team here also! Still remember those 8 hours a day ultrasonic marathons.
SC evolution is admirable!

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#942

Or Khan St1 back in Q and 16 hours a day thing… :woozy_face:

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#943

There was a time I even slept with headphones listening to masked Regeneration :nerd_face:

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#944

5 years too !

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#945

How did you guys do it back then? Did you wear headphones for 16 hours straight?
While I wish I had discovered SubClub earlier, I am glad that I can now work with microloops.

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