Maybe now you can test out WB. Doubt you would any time soon though because of work.
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Insert meme about shutting up and taking my money 
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I mean this is round 1, you haven’t even seen what else they’re cooking up
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This is mostly not related to “Round 1” but as a general feedback of why I personally think there are already too many similar existing titles (and the challenges it creates for me).
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What if a person wants to simply have good sex without there being a spiritual element involved (Divine Diamond vs. the rest)? What if someone wants to focus on the skill of sex without the heightened pleasure (Diamond vs. SMX)?
KHAN and GLM are hard alphas – hard to run at times, hard to utilize. What if someone just wants to heighten their sense of inner resilience and focus on their career (Ascension vs. Khan & GLM)?
Chosen contains very little innovation scripting and focuses on positive leadership that extends even outside of the career. What if someone doesn’t want to pursue fame, or making a product that “puts their name in lights” around the world (ASBR vs. Chosen and Stark)?
What if someone just wants a better social life without the “adventure seeking” and “story telling” side of Daredevil?
What if someone wants to manifest money without being bombarded with scripting about trading crypto (RICH Crypto vs. RICH and EoG)?
What if someone wants to go deep into their wealth goals without having to deal with scripting related to crypto?
Where to even start? HERO Origins is about intense self-mastery via virtue and practice. What if someone doesn’t want the virtue scripting?
If you are being exposed to scripting that you have no interest in whatsoever, you will trigger recon, since you won’t be taking any action toward those goals, and thus, from our perspective, these “kitchensink” kind of titles would actually generate less results than if we have similar, yet thematically different titles that fits exactly what the person needs.
How do we know? We tried this already with the ZP Primer. The first version of Zero Point had a “primer” that had basic scripting from almost every angle one could take. The end result? First, more recon. Second, that recon wasn’t even from the subliminal’s core scripting – it was from the primer. We know this because we know what’s in the primer and the things people were complaining about was primer scripting, not the actual title.
With Zero Point, the more tightly focused the scripting, the better the results. Just ask anyone who made a “kitchensink” style custom and let them tell you about their results. All the people you see getting incredible results: @Invictus , @Plutus , @Sub.Zero , @Jouissance , @bombayduck , etc. you’ll see something in common between all of them – their customs and stacks are extremely focused in a manner where they can directly take action every day. You rarely see them complaining about recon, and even when they do, they almost always simply work through it… by taking action.
So, while I understand what you’re saying (I’m actually very reluctant to add new SKUs to the product catalog and if we weren’t engaging in this Fire vs. Saint creative exercise, we’d just upgrade everything) the fact remains that as of yet, no subliminal producer (including us) has managed to create one-size fits all types of titles.
Rather than engaging in FOMO, train yourself to focus and enjoy the titles you have and the results you’re getting. There’s no person here who experiences more FOMO than myself. I mean, my God, I just saw someone (I think it was @Azriel ) report that they made a whopping $400k last year, up from $22k after focusing on wealth titles. While our company is successful, I assure you that my annual salary is NOWHERE near that, so I have to sit here and make all these titles and just watch everyone else run EoG for years and make half a million dollars, rofl.
The thing is, we’re about long-term sustainability and progress. Which requires intense focus and being able to see the bigger picture, and dig deeper into the various archetypes the different products conveys.
Primal Seduction and Primal Romance are two vastly different titles, but under the same theme – a sort of intense “primal” connection between two sexually attracted individuals. You simply cannot put both in the same title, it just wouldn’t work the way you think. Seduction is seduction. Romance – well, that’s something quite different. They overlap, but they are not the same. Seduction is that draw to one another that that you feel in that space between the legs, that overrides the normal functioning of the logical side of the human brain, that just draws you into a moment where losing control and having that release just feels good and amazing.
Romance, however, stems from the heart. It’s that moment where two people are connecting on a deeper level, drawn to each other to unite as one, where the chance of deep love – a sensation that no one can quite explain, only that it seems to arise from somewhere deep within (rather than the nuts). Both will most certainly lead to sex. But romance will end with the two people holding each other tight, creating almost a shield against the negative influences of the world, because as long as you have each other, you will prevail.
And well, Primal Nights is just some good, hard “nail 'em to the bed” kinda sex that everyone needs now and again. Maybe it’s just because you’ve been stressed out to no end and you just need a good poppin’ of the balls against some smooth skin.
But to conflate PN with something like Primal Romance is a bit misguided – if I may say. Although, I can see the argument for RotNW to be included in PN (@Fire let’s discuss).
Regardless, your opinion and feedback is greatly appreciated and we will consider what’s been said for future titles in the season.
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@SaintSovereign @Fire I was going to ask a question and completely forgot what it was. Oh well
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I’m curious, how specifically are there too many similar titles?
This. Is. Awesome. lol. Adding that to my vocabulary.
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Both titles seem like a great combo for mature men who don’t only want to live their life on their terms but also have their romance life flourish.
That’s great news for those of us who enjoy the “spiritual” part of connecting with women more than the carnal pleasures like myself. On top of that, I’ve met lots of women who craved more for that “spiritual” part much more than sex. Who has not? I would love it if there was a feature facilitating having multiple relationships of that “spiritual” kind that would be based on love without attachment for both parties.
Yes, I did and I’m still waiting for Primal Romance. However, there’s some work that I need to get done on SSX, anyhow, so it looks like Primal Romance will be waiting for me. We’re going to see. At some point I may replace WB and SSX with PR and LotS. It doesn’t matter so much since I know what I want and I’m heading there. It’s only a matter of choosing the best tools for the job. For now it’s WB and SSX.
This:
SSX’s scripting is an excellent “opener” to what’s most essential in WB ->Sex and Seduction. It will help me capitalize on running WB even more. It’s as simple as that. The scalpel method.
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@SaintSovereign One of the titles I’m personally awaiting upgrade for is Sex Mastery. Will Primal Romance and/or Emperor Daddy cover aspects of that?
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Some good points made tbh , but there’s plenty of directions to go with products to cater to an ever changing market plus new potential customers.
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Same here ….SMX upgrade lol
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Primal Romance. Thank you.
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Thank you for the quick feedback Saint.
My thinking here was that “shouldn’t all those details and nuances be rather something left for those who build their own customs with modules?”
Okay, I see. I haven’t thought about this at all.
That makes total sense.
Thank you for reminding me about this.
In this case I am suggesting that you make it more clear on the website which titles fall inti the category of being “smaller supporting and focussed titles” (for e.g. PN, RotNW, BDLM, Diamond, DLM Commander, IC etc.) and which titles are “major big titles with a lot of topics inside of them” (e.g. KHAN, ASBR, WB, EoG etc.).
The 3 titles limit also is kinda confusing because 3 “small focussed” titles will definitely have much less scripting inside of them than when stacking 3 “major general” titles.
Or, based on your collected data and what scripting usually triggers recon in people, label the products as “Beginner, Advanced, Expert”. And then, when someone is new to a topic, e.g. “seduction”, they will get the recommendation to start with a “Beginner” title.
For example products labelled for “Experts” would not need to be labelled “Artisan line” or “SubClub Black like” or both at the same time.
For example, currently Khan Black is only in the “Sub Club Black” category but has the “Artisan” warning in the product description.
Maybe it would be easier to label all those simply as “Expert” products and make Expert products exempt from refunds?
Maybe also something like a “Maximum Points of a Stack System” would make sense?
For example a stack can have a maximum of 20 Stack Points.
A small title like Inner Circle adds 3 points, while a big title like WB adds 12 points etc.
Then people can build their stacks based on this point system and not complain about the 3 titles maximum.
Because shouldn’t the limit be based on the script’s recon potential, the script length and how fast someone wants to see results?
Then one could also go with:
Someone wants fast results: Maximum Stack Points allowed: 10
Someone wants to cover more stuff and is okay with slower executions: Maximum Stack Points allowed: 30
I am doing my best and improve as I learn.
For now my approach is to include as many titles into my stack as possible, because no 3 titles cover my goals fully, so I am at 6 to 7 titles now and that is only limited by my recon ceiling.
Creating a custom makes no sense here for me at the moment because I can put a maximum of 3 cores into a custom. Which is the reason why I am not considering building a custom at the moment in the first place.
If I could put all that I want into ONE custom I would probably do it and have my peace with just running one file and nothing else.
Of the 6 to 7 titles in my stack, 3 titles are something that can never leave, because they act as boosters for ANY other title. These are Ascension Chamber, Love Bomb and Khan Black. Of those 3 only Love Bomb gives me recon and I have to microloop it. These 3 boost manifestitation, worthiness and energy – all 3 factors which massively improve results from all the other titles in the stack.
I journal and document every listening down to the exact minute as in order to learn about my recon and result patterns.
For example Khan Black Stage 4 is at 751 minutes total listening time since 2024 started. I listen to full loops, get zero recon and full results from it. One of the easiest titles to run for me as of now.
I actually gamified the whole process:
1 listening minute of something = +1 XP point for this title
Reaching each new level requires 33% more XP points than the previous level
The level that I have reached with a specific title, gives me an estimation of how much time I have invested into that title and then I compare the “level reached” with the results I am getting according to my journal.
For example “Do my journal results reflect being a Level 25 Genesis Mogul person?”.
This way I learn about my personal patterns of how fast or how slow a title works for me in the respective area.
Thank you very much and I think I now understand what this means and why you are doing it this way. I will think about it more with how maybe you can better categorize all those titles on your website to make it all more clear and better comparable for everyone. If I come up with any good ideas I will PM them to you and maybe they will help somehow…
Writing this and reading your explanation about Primal Seduction and Primal Romance I think I already have some ideas here.
In my personal spread sheet I have grouped the products by
- their recon potential for me,
- whether it is a rather long or short script,
- whether it is a “Main” or a “Supporting” title,
- whether it is a “Beginner, Advanced or Expert” title,
- whether the title is “Focussed” or “General”,
- by the importance of the title for me personally,
- by “Category” and “Sub Category”,
- by “Seduction Style” (passive, half-passive, proactive),
- by “For Singles”, for “One Committed Partner” and “Multiple Partners”
- by “Wealth Building Style” (career, investing, business, networking, sales)
- …and several other categories.
This is how I create an overview for myself and decide which titles I should put into my stack over which other titles.
I define a goal, then go into my spreadsheet and try to find what matches best.
There is a also a column in the spread sheet next to every title that describes what type of action I need to take on the respective title.
I am telling you guys, finding the optimum stack is more difficult intellectually than anything I ever had to do at University 
And I haven’t even touched the custom module system yet…
Thanks a lot!
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Primal Romance🔥
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I am beyond excited for Primal Romance. It took me FOREVER that as much as I wanted it to, Stark and Emperor lines were not for me.
Once the new Primal, Primal Nights and New Khan came out, I found exactly the type of title that suits me best. There’s something about the primal and khan lines that fit me so well. Based on initial description, I would never have thought in a million years those would be my go to.
To be clear, Emperor fits my initial personality, the one I keep thinking I am, but primal brought out my real authentic personality and always seems to push me the right amount.
Also Primal Nights was marriage bed shaking, excited to see what this adds.
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and I love that…I joke about lot being a girl‘s daddy….and others ，when I cursed…. 
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