PLEASE READ: Fire vs Saint Round 1: GET THE DETAILS

[Soar]

Primal Romance. Thank you.

[JCDenton]

Thank you for the quick feedback Saint.

@SaintSovereign

What if a person wants to

My thinking here was that “shouldn’t all those details and nuances be rather something left for those who build their own customs with modules?”

@SaintSovereign

If you are being exposed to scripting that you have no interest in whatsoever, you will trigger recon, since you won’t be taking any action toward those goals

Okay, I see. I haven’t thought about this at all.
That makes total sense.
Thank you for reminding me about this.

@SaintSovereign

thematically different titles that fits exactly what the person needs.

@SaintSovereign

With Zero Point, the more tightly focused the scripting, the better the results.

In this case I am suggesting that you make it more clear on the website which titles fall inti the category of being “smaller supporting and focussed titles” (for e.g. PN, RotNW, BDLM, Diamond, DLM Commander, IC etc.) and which titles are “major big titles with a lot of topics inside of them” (e.g. KHAN, ASBR, WB, EoG etc.).

The 3 titles limit also is kinda confusing because 3 “small focussed” titles will definitely have much less scripting inside of them than when stacking 3 “major general” titles.

Or, based on your collected data and what scripting usually triggers recon in people, label the products as “Beginner, Advanced, Expert”. And then, when someone is new to a topic, e.g. “seduction”, they will get the recommendation to start with a “Beginner” title.

For example products labelled for “Experts” would not need to be labelled “Artisan line” or “SubClub Black like” or both at the same time.
For example, currently Khan Black is only in the “Sub Club Black” category but has the “Artisan” warning in the product description.
Maybe it would be easier to label all those simply as “Expert” products and make Expert products exempt from refunds?

Maybe also something like a “Maximum Points of a Stack System” would make sense?
For example a stack can have a maximum of 20 Stack Points.
A small title like Inner Circle adds 3 points, while a big title like WB adds 12 points etc.
Then people can build their stacks based on this point system and not complain about the 3 titles maximum.

Because shouldn’t the limit be based on the script’s recon potential, the script length and how fast someone wants to see results?

Then one could also go with:
Someone wants fast results: Maximum Stack Points allowed: 10
Someone wants to cover more stuff and is okay with slower executions: Maximum Stack Points allowed: 30

@SaintSovereign

Rather than engaging in FOMO, train yourself to focus and enjoy the titles you have and the results you’re getting.

I am doing my best and improve as I learn.
For now my approach is to include as many titles into my stack as possible, because no 3 titles cover my goals fully, so I am at 6 to 7 titles now and that is only limited by my recon ceiling.
Creating a custom makes no sense here for me at the moment because I can put a maximum of 3 cores into a custom. Which is the reason why I am not considering building a custom at the moment in the first place.
If I could put all that I want into ONE custom I would probably do it and have my peace with just running one file and nothing else.

Of the 6 to 7 titles in my stack, 3 titles are something that can never leave, because they act as boosters for ANY other title. These are Ascension Chamber, Love Bomb and Khan Black. Of those 3 only Love Bomb gives me recon and I have to microloop it. These 3 boost manifestitation, worthiness and energy – all 3 factors which massively improve results from all the other titles in the stack.

I journal and document every listening down to the exact minute as in order to learn about my recon and result patterns.
For example Khan Black Stage 4 is at 751 minutes total listening time since 2024 started. I listen to full loops, get zero recon and full results from it. One of the easiest titles to run for me as of now.
I actually gamified the whole process:
1 listening minute of something = +1 XP point for this title
Reaching each new level requires 33% more XP points than the previous level
The level that I have reached with a specific title, gives me an estimation of how much time I have invested into that title and then I compare the “level reached” with the results I am getting according to my journal.
For example “Do my journal results reflect being a Level 25 Genesis Mogul person?”.
This way I learn about my personal patterns of how fast or how slow a title works for me in the respective area.

@SaintSovereign

There’s no person here who experiences more FOMO than myself.

@SaintSovereign

so I have to sit here and make all these titles and just watch everyone else run EoG for years and make half a million dollars, rofl.

@SaintSovereign

So, while I understand what you’re saying (I’m actually very reluctant to add new SKUs to the product catalog and if we weren’t engaging in this Fire vs. Saint creative exercise, we’d just upgrade everything) the fact remains that as of yet, no subliminal producer (including us) has managed to create one-size fits all types of titles.

Thank you very much and I think I now understand what this means and why you are doing it this way. I will think about it more with how maybe you can better categorize all those titles on your website to make it all more clear and better comparable for everyone. If I come up with any good ideas I will PM them to you and maybe they will help somehow…

Writing this and reading your explanation about Primal Seduction and Primal Romance I think I already have some ideas here.

In my personal spread sheet I have grouped the products by

• their recon potential for me,
• whether it is a rather long or short script,
• whether it is a “Main” or a “Supporting” title,
• whether it is a “Beginner, Advanced or Expert” title,
• whether the title is “Focussed” or “General”,
• by the importance of the title for me personally,
• by “Category” and “Sub Category”,
• by “Seduction Style” (passive, half-passive, proactive),
• by “For Singles”, for “One Committed Partner” and “Multiple Partners”
• by “Wealth Building Style” (career, investing, business, networking, sales)
• …and several other categories.

This is how I create an overview for myself and decide which titles I should put into my stack over which other titles.
I define a goal, then go into my spreadsheet and try to find what matches best.
There is a also a column in the spread sheet next to every title that describes what type of action I need to take on the respective title.

I am telling you guys, finding the optimum stack is more difficult intellectually than anything I ever had to do at University
And I haven’t even touched the custom module system yet…

@SaintSovereign

Regardless, your opinion and feedback is greatly appreciated and we will consider what’s been said for future titles in the season.

Thanks a lot!

[Myster]

Primal Romance🔥

[Pyro]

@SaintSovereign

And yes, I am hyping my own submission because I am acutely aware that as of right now, I’m probably “losing” this round, rofl.

I am beyond excited for Primal Romance. It took me FOREVER that as much as I wanted it to, Stark and Emperor lines were not for me.

Once the new Primal, Primal Nights and New Khan came out, I found exactly the type of title that suits me best. There’s something about the primal and khan lines that fit me so well. Based on initial description, I would never have thought in a million years those would be my go to.

To be clear, Emperor fits my initial personality, the one I keep thinking I am, but primal brought out my real authentic personality and always seems to push me the right amount.

Also Primal Nights was marriage bed shaking, excited to see what this adds.

[Sebastian_Po]

@SaintSovereign

meant to be tongue-in-cheek humor.

and I love that…I joke about lot being a girl‘s daddy….and others ，when I cursed….

[Monarch]

Can you add a paid service where you guys consult on building customs, or hire someone who understands the scripting of each module and can help make educated decisions based on the customers goals?

I really want to get into running customs but I don’t want to do the whole “trial & error” process, I’d rather pay someone X amount of money to buy a premium service to have it done for me.

I tell you my goals, what cores I’m interested in combining (4 max or something) then the modules are selected around those goals.

I was thinking $500 - $1,000 would be fair?

[Azriel]

@SaintSovereign

aura

I hope this can be used to attract younger women as well.

I’ve been dating closer to my age, 36. On WB, I was seeing my world open up more. But I would love a dominant, specific dynamic, and natural attraction with a younger woman. Weirdly pre-ZP, I was seeing that a lot. Now, without trying, I tend to end up with women 35-40. I would love to shift that baseline down to a younger age.

I was hoping Emperor Daddy: Primal Romance was one title -An Emperor version of attracting younger woman but both these titles look amazing.

@SaintSovereign

I mean, my God, I just saw someone (I think it was @Azriel ) report that they made a whopping $400k last year, up from $22k after focusing on wealth titles.

Yup -pre sub club was $22K a year-Emperor brought me to 6 Figures over 3 years- Then HOM/EOG- True Sell & RICH custom took me to where I am now in 15 months. (my work is performance-based and I crush it consistently, I work 60-80 hour weeks, and next level up is beyond personal income and work and running organization or creating structures that leverage an ability earning 1-10M+ a year-hoping ASBR, and new EOG and HOM will take me there.)

I personally love the subtle differences in the titles—they are completely different worlds/archetypes that create massively different resonances and results. Little titls in the rudder create whole new courses. To me, it’s less just functionality and more artistry in how we grow and experience our world. And more color palettes, even if subtle differences create a way to create more refined masterpieces.

@SaintSovereign

But to conflate PN with something like Primal Romance is a bit misguided – if I may say. Although, I can see the argument for RotNW to be included in PN (@Fire let’s discuss).

@Saiyan4Blue has an amazing distinction in these two subs- and there is value in their separation -however, a combined title would be awesome as well.

[magician]

Are you around younger women?

[Lion]

@SaintSovereign

No need to be 40+, but it’ll have some features that many have been asking about for awhile

Have asked for a couple of features for elderly gentlemen like myself (43):

• Get over the age hangup (not asked for this but I used to wish I was younger right now so as to start life with the great subliminals here). Now I am over the age thing since I am quite happy with the way things turned out for me due to self-acceptance and reveling in my experience thanks to titles like Elixir, Regeneration, DRR.

• Will ED help with ED? Lol. Most mature men could use some help there.

• Stronger physical shifting for old wolves. I remember @RockyHandsome asking for this and I heartily agree.

• A fair amount of physical healing could be good. You know we need that repair and maintenance. Maybe some scripting from Radiating Health and Asclepius. Our immune system could use some boost.

• Talking about boosting, we daddies need our testosterone levels adjusted to keep up with the young bucks out there. Help!

• Help with overcoming years of limiting beliefs about wealth. And to know that even if we are in or past our middle age crisis and not successful yet, we can get there.

• Overcome a lifetime of regrets and disappointments.

• To not be jaded and reacquire our childhood wonder.

• To harness our years of experience and turn it all into wisdom.

• Extra energy and drive.

• Fashion sense for the DILFs that we are.

• Find a renewed sense of purpose in our silvermane days.

• Be good mentors for the ones looking for help. Know how to coach them.

• Command respect from those with status.

• Be absolutely independent and be able to stand on one’s own feet.

• Be respectful to parents and relatives but at the same time know to draw boundaries.

• And more!!!

[Apollo]

So, when Caesar read about Alexander’s life, he burst into tears. Perhaps the more ambitious of us ought to cry with him.

“His friends were surprised, and asked him the reason of it. ‘Do you think,’ said he, ‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?’”

I hope Emperor: Daddy has something also to help those who haven’t found their true calling and true talents at their age. A sort of boosts for the late bloomers

[James]

@Lion

elderly gentlemen like myself (43):

Fuck what does that make me at 56? Jurassic James?

[James]

You should read this

Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things Amazon.com

[Lion]

@James

@Lion

elderly gentlemen like myself (43):

Fuck what does that make me at 56? Jurassic James?

You are in the same boat, James. Divided by age, United by the same needs.

[SaintSovereign]

@JCDenton

Thanks a lot!

No problem. This is really good feedback and we always appreciate in-depth analysis like this.

[Lion]

Primal Romance gives me Alabaster Girl vibes.

Will we write passionate poetry for all our girls? I would love to do so. At the same time not be oneitis about them and be centered in oneself.

A love for life and romance. Yes, I will take some of that please!

Will make a custom with WB + PR when I acquire a house of my own.

[SaintSovereign]

@Monarch

Can you add a paid service where you guys consult on building customs, or hire someone who understands the scripting of each module and can help make educated decisions based on the customers goals?

We have thought about this before, but we were worried that it would be considered more of a “therapist” service, but we’ll discuss it again.

@Monarch

I was thinking $500 - $1,000 would be fair?

I feel like this would actually be a little TOO much, but @Fire and I will discuss.

[Lion]

@SaintSovereign

@Monarch

Can you add a paid service where you guys consult on building customs, or hire someone who understands the scripting of each module and can help make educated decisions based on the customers goals?

We have thought about this before, but we were worried that it would be considered more of a “therapist” service, but we’ll discuss it again.

@Monarch

I was thinking $500 - $1,000 would be fair?

I feel like this would actually be a little TOO much, but @Fire and I will discuss.

I wouldn’t mind helping with that service. Love to help my bros and gals out with their custom needs.

[SaintSovereign]

@JCDenton

• their recon potential for me,
• whether it is a rather long or short script,
• whether it is a “Main” or a “Supporting” title,
• whether it is a “Beginner, Advanced or Expert” title,
• whether the title is “Focussed” or “General”,
• by the importance of the title for me personally,
• by “Category” and “Sub Category”,
• by “Seduction Style” (passive, half-passive, proactive),
• by “For Singles”, for “One Committed Partner” and “Multiple Partners”
• by “Wealth Building Style” (career, investing, business, networking, sales)
• …and several other categories.

Also, this is very, very interesting. @Fire , thoughts? We could potentially make something like this and then offer it to the community. At one point, we were going to create a document with different “pathways” and the such.

[Lion]

@Apollo

hope Emperor: Daddy has something also to help those who haven’t found their true calling and true talents at their age. A sort of boosts for the late bloomers

Amen! Preach, brother!

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@SaintSovereign

Coming soon. Which one are you most excited for? Let us know your thoughts!

Primal Romance it’ll have to wait however. My stack is firmly focused on spiritual pursuits for the most part for the time being.

…unless that SP tells me otherwise.