The conversation between Wife, myself, Daughter, and Young Man took place tonight. Some notes, out of order chronologically.
YM attempted to take all responsibility for how things went down. Placed heavy emphasis on the amount of prayer that took place. Daughter stayed mostly quiet.
I asked about their timeline. Engaged soon, married before the year is out. YM has purchased a ring.
Counter timeline was proposed by Wife. Engaged after a year, married after 6 months engagement. Consequences for ignoring counter timeline proposal were laid out by myself. Complete withdrawal of support, contact and involvement. YM asked Wife if she supported said consequences; Wife said yes. Daughter and YM didn’t expect that.
Emphasis was placed on the carrying on with the late night behavior.
I stressed clear direct answers for once (largely successful for the conversation as a whole). Still akin to pulling teeth with Daughter to admit anything, as again, the whole marriage plan was YM’s to start with! (Still don’t believe that one).
Admitted I moved from my hardline position on what I thought needed to take place for a blessing in deference to my wife’s feelings on the matter.
Pointed out that while claiming that she’s “forgiven” after her religious experience in the fall, she needs to be following the tenets of her faith in order to receive the benefits, and there were a few commandments she was ignoring out of convenience. YM was mentioning how much they prayed about this shit, nearly every other sentence. I finally told him enough. Said I questioned his parent’s judgement for their support of him in this endeavor.
sigh
The honest answer is my life will be far less stressful if they just ignore my wife and I and steam ahead with their plans. It is sad but it is true. I am not certain, but I think they are leaning towards ignoring us, despite whatever “prayer” tells them.
Barest Snippet
Young Man: I’ve been praying about it, and I feel called to marriage with Daughter. I feel it’s God’s plan.
PizzaShaman: So how you’ve handled it was God’s plan. I guess this “meeting” tonight is God’s plan too!