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I’m definitely not arguing with this point.

(I don’t believe in changing or trying to change anybody.)

I am more addressing the frame around your point.

Rather than thinking in terms of changing anybody, the question I’d ask myself might be: “Can I or can I not find it within myself to appreciate and respect this person’s journey, exactly as it is right now?” If my answer to that question is a clear, ‘no’, then it may be time to move on. And that’s not because of their quality, but because of our quality. It’s too heavy for me to carry and still be at my best.

Anyway, that’s all I’m saying. Not even sure if Billions wants this on his journal. If not, I’m cool to trade perspectives about it on another thread.

you’re in for a rude awakening when you realise how women frame these situations

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had a bunch of those already. probably more to come.

but the frame I’m most interested in, is mine.

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running Khan made @AlexanderGraves question if his wife is the ONE for him… i wonder what alpha title AM does to @Billions

I may as well add my wit and wisdom.

If she’s LSE then if you are nice to her she will think you are a loser too.

Hence, don’t be nice to her. And she will get off on it.

Ok, what can we learn from this?

That women are emotional creatures.

Therefore you can control them by pushing their emotional buttons.

Hence a happy side effect of controlling them is getting them to not be so LSE but this shouldn’t be your goal.

Win win all round.

Other reflections on this thread.

The OP doesn’t sound like a well put together guy and perhaps he can’t or doesn’t want to do better.

He wants to share his “life” with his partner and because he has just started to move up in the money sphere he wants to share this aspect.

Why.

Does she know anything about the business, can she help or give actionable advice is is it all in one ear and out the other.

So why the fuck bother.

And this is why men have male friends, to talk about the important stuff like business, politics, world events etc whilst women are for helping build the tribe, keep in touch with the relatives, run the household etc.

Don’t think of it being an equal partnership , it isn’t and you should be in charge. So perhaps this is where the real problem lies because the OP has bought into the current cultural mores of modern American society.

In which case I will not waste my time with him.

I’ve always thought the American realtor market was ripe for exploitation considering how much realtors get and how Americans love being sold to. As if they can’t figure out whether to buy a particular house themselves.

I used to have a mate who is bipolar. I got to know him when he was tuning up high end sports cars and had a unit next to one of mine. He then disappeared for nine months, just left his business and upped and went. He had gone to Canada to work on the grain harvest and when he came back he opened up a gym, six months later he disappeared again and I’ve never seen him since. Nice bloke though.

Off course, the OP might not want to change his life, up to him really.

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Well… very lively discussion that @Malkuth, @Prome, @remarkable and I have found ourselves in… it looks like @Prome and @remarkable both are seeing this from a “red pill” point of view, whereas @malkuth and I are… not.

Let’s start with Vipassana. It’s the foundation for my current beliefs on relationships, so it’s a good place to start.

In reality, the schedule SAYS to meditate 10 hours a day, but it’s exhausting. It’s pretty hard to not nap for at least an hour or two of that, plus maybe sleep in 'till 530.

Also, staying at a center long term means that you spend alternating retreats volunteering and then meditating as a student. As a student, it’s 10 hours a day, but as a volunteer, it’s 4 hours of meditating a day, 4 hours of cooking a day, and two hours a day where they basically force you to go nap so you survive the 10-day experience. I learned a lot from both.

Before I dived into meditation, I would say @remarkable’s points summed up my opinion of things well enough. Pre-Vipassana, I had gotten into pick-up and then gotten really good at it.

When you get good at pick up, it’s usually because you’ve started to learn the Pick Up mindset, AKA power struggles, control, and objectification. Not to mention, the belief that all women are the same and need to be treated the same.

It’s impossible to be good at pick up without at least a bit of that mentality driving you. And with that frame of reference, it’s impossible to have a successful relationship.

As people evolve in the pick-up journey, they go from basic monogamy (blue pill), to “Alpha Monogamy” (monogamy + cheating, with only HB10’s), to Hyper-monogamy (red-pill, or, the desire for Multiple HB10’s at once). Then, that becomes boring too, and there’s a Hyper Monogamy crisis when you realize even Hyper Monogamy doesn’t bring happiness.

After going through the various phases of relationships and finding that they ALL don’t bring happiness if they’re built on a power-struggle/objectification frame, most men become MGTOW and decide it’s all women’s fault, they’re evil, biologically immoral, etc.

Before Vipassana, I was in a lot of pain, somewhere on this cycle. I couldn’t avoid thinking of things in terms of the power-struggle/objectification frame (the pick-up frame), and as a result, I was attracting women who had the same point of view. Textbook narcissists and borderline-personality disorder women without a shred of loyalty or emotional stability. These were the type that actually needed to be controlled, or would otherwise control you. That only FURTHER REINFORCED the whole belief system.

I didn’t want to go MGTOW, but at the same time, it was almost impossible to imagine myself in a successful relationship, and as a result, I was starting to believe successful relationships didn’t even exist (justification of my present experience).

The way @prome and @remarkable speak, it’s clear that they’ve been burned a couple of times.

I was at that point of pain myself, when I found the Goenka retreats. They brought me back to what I find to be a more comfortable way of perceiving the world… optimism. Also, choice. I now know that seeing the world in the pick up frame gets me one type of results, and makes me attractive to one type of woman, while seeing the world with optimism and healthy boundaries/self esteem helps me attract a very different type of woman… high value women worth spending time with.

My girlfriend and I are both deep on our own personal growth journeys. We support each other in our growth. I literally would not have been able to do what I’m doing now if it wasn’t for the daily support and encouragement of my girlfriend. She makes me better than I would ever be on my own.

I quote @Pyro who posted a similar opinion on Heartsong Disc. Thread.

Could my girlfriend have “done better” when we first met? Fuck yeah! I was an ADHD & bipolar wreck that slept at 4am and was working a menial job taking care of kids at the YMCA. In the middle of our relationship, I crumbled from the pressure of CO-VID and fears around my inability to make money, and I fell into a 14 hour a day online gaming addiction.

But she saw the potential that I had, not just where I was at at this present moment.

The main thing I try and tell her every day is that the only thing she needs to change about herself is the belief that she needs to change anything at all. Even if she kept all her anxiety, etc, I would still want to be with her. She’s an amazing woman. I didn’t think women could be this good, but she proved me wrong.

And guys… this is a personal growth forum. I am here to bare my all. I’m fine talking about anything and everything I’ve gone through because this is an anonymous yet highly intimate forum. I’ve never found anything like it in my life. I love it here and find myself checking it every few days.

So when I share my darker concerns with this group, that’s because this is the place to do so. It would be a mistake to think that ALL my relationship is about anxiety. I don’t want to start posting about how my girlfriend and I laugh our asses off every day and love spending time together. This is a place to improve the bad stuff and make it better.

But one thing I will add too is that I’ve already laid clear boundaries and ground rules around this, too. I will help her, support her, love her, be there for her during any emotional turbulence she might experience, but at the end of the day, it’s HER responsibility to deal with, not mine. If I need her to redirect her anxiety to somewhere else, she does. I support her while she changes it herself, I do not change it for her. I do not change how I act just to fit in with what’s most comfortable for her.

@Prome, @remarkable… all three of us have gotten a chance to say what we want to say about relationships. Let’s not turn this into a debate forum. You seem @remarkable - y aggressive about this.

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@Simon thanks for saying this.

One of my first ever posts was asking if AM was unisex, but people pointed me in the direction of Ascension for Women and other things of that nature.

I misread it and didn’t realize that they were only making suggested improvements. I thought that the take away was that AM was only for men.

I even went back into my old forum post and realized that I was misreading people!

Might do this.

Thanks :smiley:

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People who have become wreaks, don’t have to stay wreaks. But they likely stay wreaks if they’re abandoned or stuck in a toxic environment.
The beautiful thing about people is that they can grow and evolve soo much with proper support and nourishment. One can’t force growth in others, but one can cultivate an environment in which they can flourish.

Keep up the good work.

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it weird becuz AM it doesnt say unisex in store :confused:

This is not pickup.

The OPPOSITE of objectification is taught.

And its not just women (most) men are the same too (as a generality).

This is wrong as well.

Most men with game eventually settle down with a woman who compliments them.

And MGTOW have nothing too do with women because they have never been successful enough.

This is incorrect as well, I have only experienced limerence once and that was with my current partner.

Lets reframe that.

Could your GF have done better if she was not LSE?

If she didn’t actually KNOW or WANT to do better could she actually have done so. (Anyone up for a discourse on determinism and free will).

How do you know? Perhaps she settled for what life had happened to her in the same way most people do.

Weren’t you moaning earlier that she had LSE?

And you don’t want her to change?

Stop contradicting yourself.

Do I.

Perhaps you think that because you don’t like having your world view challenged.

Perhaps you should meditate on that.

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I think I agree with @Billions on this one. You might be right, wrong or both, but the message comes across as… a bit harsh.

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I’m bookmarking your points to re-read, because I feel that they contain points of view and insights that I need to hear. And I appreciate the solidity and confidence with which you expressed them.

oh, you have one of PROME’s points attributed to me. You must have quoted it from my reply to it. Could you please adjust that?

Blessings on you both.

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its great that you feel that about her Billions, God bless!

Started listening to heartsong along with AscMog and so far things are good. It’s only been one day. No comment yet. I’m going to be experimenting with playing tracks overnight now.

Asc Mog is continuing to invoke changes in me. I feel slightly taller in my social interactions now… more confident and self-assured. I saw someone in their Khan journal (@AlexanderGraves?) say that he could look his father in the eye more confidently while running Khan, and I feel the same way these days on AM. Their gaze feels less piercing. I feel like more of an equal and less of a young man around both my father and my girlfriend’s.

I’ve developed a much deeper meditation practice since starting AM, due to increased motivation, productivity, organization, and consistency. All of that’s coming together to make me more motivated to take action to improve my life. So im meditating about 30-45 mins a day again and it feels great. The changes are already starting to reflect in my daily life. My digital urges and impulses are weakening, and when they come, I can also be mindful even while feeling the pull to check my phone

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Sorry but that lost comment was too funny

@James Oi James speak up man :slight_smile:

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You’ve made your views clear. Now please stop. @Billions never asked for this kind of input. Even if you think this is realistic or pessimistic outlook, that’s enough.

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@Billions @Malkuth Your tact is exemplary.

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Thanks @RVconsultant. Sometimes us Emperors just get a little cramped up. Too many gods in one forum, yenno? All good.

Today was the first “Bad” day that I’ve had in a while. The moment I woke up I was just exhausted. I went out for dinner with my family and got back home at 11. Still woke up around 6 anyways, but went back to bed till 7, and felt totally wrecked.

Meditating first thing in the morning as a consistent routine has been invaluable though. I felt a lot better after my morning meditation and have felt semi-productive today so far… and since I credit AscMog to my newly found consistency in meditation, then, I have to give credit to subliminals for helping me feel better today!

Definitely tired though.

EDIT: It’s probably because I’ve been drinking coffee while working the last few days. I’m gonna do it again today, even though I’ve always had a pretty strong awareness that it’s really not very good for my mood and overall productivity. But that’s the cycle… get exhausted from coffee, drink coffee to fix exhaustion, get exhausted from coffee… repeat ad infinitum… YOLO!!!

Second EDIT: I realized that I had a tequila soda last night… I can’t believe I forgot to consider that the alcohol might be what did that to me. I basically never drink alcohol. Sometimes when I drink, nothing happens, and my mood is fine. But OTHER TIMES, like today I guess, even one drink can fuck up my mood the next day. Not smart of me to slack on that especially considering how important business is to me at the moment.

Ah well… it’s a good lesson

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I think that for the next few days I’m going to drastically reduce the amount of subs that I listen to. One loop of AM every second day, and one loop of Heartsong every second day. So, alternating like that, for a total of 4 or 5 days a week. Just want to experiment with that since I’m already feeling kind of low, and haven’t taken a break since I started doing subliminals. In fact, I’ve been toe-ing the line or straight-up overdoing subliminals since the moment I started them. So taking it easy for a few days will be some helpful processing time.

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Take your time! Reducing subs isn’t anything negative and it’s pretty important to do every now and then if needed. In fact, I’m doing the same.
I personally think that subs journey should be slower and comfortable rather than faster and terrifying. At the end of the day, they won’t run away from anyone. :wink:
Hope you feel better soon!

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