My next healing title

Let’s see what the others have to say.

It looks like the one I want, as Love Bomb gave me too much of a feminine vibe.

Also I can feel lots of conflicts inside me all the time, I just can’t tell what is really happening inside my subconscious mind nor what are those conflicts about, but it comes to the surface in the form of “I want to do this, but maybe I should do that”, or “I should be doing this, but instead I’m doing that”, and I think this is one of the main aspects that disturbs my days.

Sorry that happened to you man! Love Bomb actually gives me a LOT of recon and similar experiences to what you described, so, that’s not just a “beginner” thing.

Sanguine: Elixir is one of my all time favorite subs too, it’s just pure positivity.

My recommendation to you right now is to only run subs that are updated, and don’t run any healing subs at all The subliminals are ALL healing… the healing specific ones are when you need a triple dose of healing, for one reason or another.

So, because Ascension is NOT an updated subliminal, I wouldn’t recommend you run Ascension right now. (Remember, I posted that quote you quoted a long time ago - there’s different subliminals to recommend now.)

So I’d recommend you run Sanguine for the positivity and recon reduction. It permanently made me have less recon to all subs, after a few cycles of listening.

As for your second sub, to work on your overall social skills (since you struggle to get a girlfriend…) the only two subs I’d recommend for you right now (given how sensitive you are to recon + needing to run an NSE sub) would be primal or daredevil.

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@SuperSaiyan

I had the same thing in the beginning, after a couple loops of alpha titles my higher self screamed down on me : you need healing first.

So for the next 2-3 years I did mostly healing titels until October last year.

Go with Dragon Reborn and proceed until you can handle the other titels. There is really no way around for you. Your intelligence told you allready what you have to do.

All the best to your Journey

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Take a look at Chosen From Within as it offers the most balanced approach to healing and doesn’t cause much recon if any. Pairing it up with Ascension and SSX would be a really interesting stack.

SSX offers the healing you need as well. Read the sales copy to learn more about that.

Ascension is the most essential alpha title so sticking to it is a must.

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So I also went through a fair bit of childhood trauma and lots of therapy in the last 3 years. Started with subs half a year ago
IMHO the most important step is to get out of victim mentality. I just started with Emperor: Will to Power and I have to say: ohh boy this really touches a fire deep inside of me that is needed. It touches something that the whole Khan journey didnt touch.
For me it’s far more lightweight than lovebomb. It helps so much with internal communication between parts of my psyche. I agree with that guide you linked that this is a foundational sub.

Other than that I feel like a stable platform for life is important…healthy mechanisms for reducing stress. Only when that stability is reached and deep relaxation has come into the human system further subliminales can work properly. I feel E: WtP gives the drive to actually shed the trauma. It activates a part of my deeper will to succeed and go for the life I want and deserve…that part that was shut down in my childhood.

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I’m confused, as the 2 above quotes seem contradicting each other. :sweat_smile:
Sanguine is a healing sub (and I guess you’re not talking about the Elixir version).

By updated subs you mean NSE subs?
Is this the updated list? Which are the NSE Titles? - #2 by Bull_of_Shiva_999
I’ve been trying to find info here about NSE, but couldn’t find too much to understand how it works, and what are the differences comparing with the previous version.

Not running Ascension as a beginner, seems to go against most of the recommendations. :open_mouth:

Primal seems to be more my style, but I was advised that a beginner should not venture straight into it, because I need to build the proper foundations first. My social skills are quite good.

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What is E: WtP?

From the Phoenix: A Dragon Reborn Experience page in the shop:

This title is probably NOT for you.

:thinking:???

Emperor: the will to power

I fucking loved Phoenix when I ran it. It was very smooth for me and helped get rid of the existential angst I had. Some people said it was tough to run, all I can say is that it’s a great subliminal, Fire really outdid himself. The Emotional Mastery part of it is no joke.

Not saying you should run it, you do what you think is best. It’s an awesome sub though, don’t discount it :slight_smile:

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Plus Dragon Reborn Red & Dragon Reborn Gold…

Also i wondered and ask about NSE in the past at the forum, you can check it out:

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As I have not used Sanguine: The Elixir I cannot comment much on it.

I’d go with regular Sanguine (named New Sanguine) as @Billions recommended. It is listed as healing but it reduces reconciliation and is gentle.

Phoenix would be too early in my opinion.

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I decided and bought Sanguine. Going to listen to the first 30s tomorrow and not going to listen to anything else for now, to see how it feels.

Then I’ll add Ascension.

Even though Primal is really my style I was told it’s for more advanced users.
SSX looks to be like Primal but for beginners, so this might be the third title to add to my stack.

Actually, I would like to suggest the store to have a new category bar for looking up titles: “Beginner”, “Intermediate” and “Advanced”.

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Honestly, about the SSX vs Primal debate, I’d say open a ticket with support.

For me Primal isn’t about seduction. It’s about shedding layers upon layers of bad conditioning to become a liberated expression of yourasculine essence.

Of course that can lead to seduction. Because it makes seduction much easier if you cam exude this Primal stench of “I don’t care about your opinions because I know who I am, and I’m loving it”.

It’s like you want to build a muscular body but you have troubles with your spinal disks and are always tired.
Of course you could start with Emperor Fitness or Spartan Apex Warrior.
But perhaps Paragon would be the better fit, to help with health in general. To build a base on which you can start working out.

Primal is for me the masculine extension of LB.

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So you mean that I could start with SSX, but perhaps Primal would be the better fit, to help with general masculinity and to build a base on which I can start seduction? Or the other way around? :sweat_smile:

To me it seems like Primal is preparing the base, getting you fit and running. With that base, you can run SSX much differently because you’ve grown so much personality wise.

The X from SSX means it’s a title from the old Weapon X series. A series that aimes to improve skills. Like UWX (Ultimate Writer) improves writing, GMX (Gaming Mastery) improves Gaming or MTX (Muay Thai Master) improves Muay Thai skills.

But Primal isn’t about seduction skills.
It’s about a seductive personality.
It’s changing you in your core.
Skills don’t need that.

A few years back, I took a course for stage training. We were 200 people. Some participated the 2nd or 3rd time. Some of them had acquired the skills already. They did everything right.
But it still wasn’t them.
Some used a lot of energy and big motions, exactly as they’ve learned to do it. But it didn’t do much. Because it wasn’t coming from their inner center. It was just something they learned to do right.
Others went on the stage and with minimal motion they stirred up the crowd. Because they were present and their energy was tangible.
It wasn’t a mask they put on, but an expression of their authentic self.

That’s the difference for me between beeing and skill.

If you change who you are, it doesn’t need extrem levels of skill to succeed.

Skill, of course, amplifies your success.
On the stage or with seduction.

And of course, learning and using skills will change you over time. So SSX will help as well. Over time.
Just like many of these seduction and PUA coaches teach their stuff, that works for them, but if others do it, it often seems fake, artifical. Because it’s not their nature. And they shy away from the hard shadow work that is necessary to change that.
But over time, asking 500 women for their number does its thing on you. You change nevertheless.
But here as well, if you’re already a person that can attract women, the same skills and techniques are more effective.

So Primal is about making you a seducer by nature. It’s about confronting your shadows, your limiting beliefs. To let them go and become the Primal, untamed man you are deep down inside. To shed all the layers of conditioning, of limitations.

That’s why I see Primal as a fundamental sub.

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It is, mate:

Moreover, PRIMAL delves deep into the psyche, eradicating the chains of limiting beliefs and fears, including the dread of rejection, that have long held sway over your potential. It’s about unlocking a realm of boundless romantic and seductive prowess, a landscape where you are free to explore and express the full magnitude of your charisma and desire.

Although it’s SSX that is laser-focused on it.

If you really went out there to seduce women you would see how skillful Primal makes you. Those skills are inherent yet need to get unlocked and then they can be mastered (the latter is the very reason they’re called “skills”).

@Sub.Zero what he is saying is that Primal is the foundation, that you can multiply the results got from SSX if you do a proper foundation first, and you won’t need to do much effort if you build first that foundation.

In the same way Sub Club recommends Ascension or Genesis as the first Alpha titles to build an alpha foundation.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if someone just wishes to have sex with lots of high quality women the path should be Ascension->Primal->SSX.

Ascension + SSX + (most of the time) Rebirth or CFW or LD

SSX is a foundational sub. Read the sales copy again. Just to give you two samples:

Sex & Seduction X helps you shine a gentle, illuminating light on these subconscious barriers, allowing you to overcome them through positive experience. It might manifest as unexpected interactions with enchanting individuals who, serendipitously, offer insights that catalyze healing.

With Sex & Seduction X, your proficiency in the art of seduction becomes secondary. The New Romance Experience’s scripting continually manifests and ushers you into favorable scenarios at your current seduction level, providing a conduit to deeply explore your desires and discern PRECISELY the blueprint for your romantic triumphs—customized entirely around your distinct life circumstances.

It is not. Read this post and my reply.

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