SSX vs PS, what’s better for my case?

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#17

Don’t be. Ever. The objectives give us a general idea on what we can expect of the sub yet everyone is different, has different patterns to work on (remove, reshape and instill certain patterns). On top of that, we’re all in different life circumstances and the objectives should help us decide whether the sub is suitable to adapt to those circumstances and make the most of them.

From what you described as your circumstances and patterns you want to work on, it seems to me that KB3+PS+DD is your best bet, unless you didn’t listen to those people who suggest you should be more masculine and you wanted to work on eliminating those patterns that hinder your seduction and instill those which will constitute your seduction blueprint, in this case you would go with SSX, which I personally recommend to you, given what you said. Fuck other people’s opinions, it’s about your success in the realm of seduction.

I naturally attract women I like since I’m natural with the “innocence vibe”, I dress up like a dandy and I know how to flatter women and I do it sincerely. That’s a killer.

Primal is really a sub for someone who wants to take the game to a whole new level where sex and seduction have no limits.

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#18

Do you have experience with wanted black?

#19

I ran it and didn’t get much with it as far as interactions go. I’m working on being much more active than passive, so WB isn’t a good fit now.

#20

It seems you’re suggesting:

  • KB ST3
  • SSX
  • DD

Where I can adjust listening times to favor SSX over DD. I can work with this stack.

Update: I really wish I just stuck to this instead of sub-hopping in the last 10 days to try and get ahead of my current challenges, instead of doing the conscious actions and effort to work on them. This current off-day I’m having and feeling really makes me feel it. It’s been a while since I’ve felt like this (and I while since I could identify recon of this level). :frowning:

Another update: This feeling is so annoying to me. How can I get out of this funk? @Forum_Ambassadors. I am amazed by how much of a loser I feel like right now. I can’t believe me in this moment is the same person who went out and talked to dozens of new people in the last month. “Can I really succeed?” is what I’m thinking, even though I know it’s the recon talking.

I really thought Primal was more foundational like SSX because that’s how they were back before rewrites (Primal and SSX being light titles while PS was the sum of both), but I’m getting humbled right now

#21

Welcome officially to DG . I am not a Forum Ambassador but I think I can relate to your feelings since I have been there.

DG is hard , getting up against those string of rejections is hard .
Cold Approaching is not a easy task . It will make you question the very value of yourself .

Write down your " WHY " you chose DG . Repeatedly ponder upon your why .
Thats your will power .
IMO you can suceed in this . Have patience and put in the hard work . Keep Going no matter what .
Thats the only way to succeed in DG / Cold Approaching .
It only takes one yes to flip your feelings .

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#22

Yea, so I’ve done DG over the past month with varying levels of success. I’ve closed, too. The momentum slowed down a bit last week (hmm…around the time I also switched to PS too) and then with yesterday’s trial run of Primal and the onslaught of recon that followed, I really feel as if I have crashed. And this is in a general social sense, too—I really should not have doubted on the value of Daredevil, I truly want to keep that around for a while. And SSX is foundational—in a time where I am really trying to have a rock solid foundation through coaching and taking action like I’ve never done before, SSX really was helping this whole time though I didn’t appreciate it as much.

After the recon hit I went into a spiral that was gradual, but became very salient at night. Whether it’s me choosing to not approach anyone at the park I went to, to going back home and just watching a movie, to going to sleep late and more…it’s left me wondering, what happened? This is not who I am, who I’m supposed to be. I don’t want to go back to these days. It’s like the world is showing me a version of myself from way back then, before I started to gain confidence in succeeding socially. It’s like the progress of the past month became invisible to me. I know it’s there, because I’ve journaled about my DG and social adventures over the past month and I know so much has happened indicating that I’m changing at a faster rate than ever before.

But now I feel like I’m wondering, where did it all go?

I feel so sluggish today, and a little sad at how I got myself into this nonsense.

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#23

Honestly I think I got more recon from SSX than Primal, but then again, I was running SSX with WB and Primal with Sanguine and LB. But you’re making me curious to run SSX alone… :thinking:

#24

I have used all 3 products SSX, Primal and Primal Seduction. I am more of the talkative type I can tell a story and absolutely mesmerize people around me SSX seems to bring those qualities out of me.

Primal in my experience is similar to SSX but alittle bit more domineering. When you talk to you will be like fucking thunder. Once you open your mouth men and women just listen women begin get all submissive. PS for me was less words but still giving off a seductive vibe. SSX is a good choice for day game.

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#25

Did you run a full loop or microloop?

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#26

It was 7 minutes.

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#27

I was doing a 3 title stack with a 1x weekly title at 15 mins. I had new Primal in my 1x weekly slot for a couple cycles. No problems at all with 15 mins 1x a week and it worked great, maybe not as fast but definitely steady progress.

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#28

Honestly that could’ve been why. During my second cycle I started with microloops, i.e. starting at 30 seconds and increasing by 30 seconds each listening. When I got to 4 minutes, that’s when I hit some recon.

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#29

That’s interesting, how many weeks did you do primal for? And what was the rest of your stack, was it related?

#30

I have new Love Bomb and Khan Black 4. Though I was on KB 3 when I was doing Primal 1x weekly. Still doing Primal just in normal rotation because after a few cycles I just wanted more Primal in the mix.

#31

The sales copy clearly says:

For comparison sake, this new PRIMAL is approximately ten times the size of the previous PRIMAL.

Although it contains the core of the old Primal, that is rebelling against what limits you in the realm of seduction and tapping into your masculine, sexual essence, it contains a lot of social and seduction/sexual scripting that is way beyond what the “average seducer” can do.

It embeds within you the psyche of a man whose life is an anthology of rich, diverse narratives, embodying the wisdom of one who has known the company of a thousand high-quality women.

That’s pretty challenging for someone who needs

I’m running Primal myself, and even though I’ve made great progress on it, I needed to aid it with SSX since I could clearly see that there are still some seduction patterns that need to get worked on before I can truly tap into what Primal really offers, that is

In its essence

PRIMAL is an ethos, a philosophy of living.
It’s about crafting the reality you’ve always envisioned, seizing life with both hands and molding it to fit the contours of your deepest desires.

It’s really not a foundational sub and everyone should do the work before embarking on it.

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#32

Thanks a lot, @Sub.Zero. I get the sense that I should hold off on Primal for a while. There’s a certain coaching program I’m going through right now on this topic and my subliminal stack is meant to go along with that. I have a feeling Primal is something I would run after the end of the program, meaning I’ll have run my KB + DD + SSX stack for a few months by then.

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#33

In my opinion, this right here is a false narrative and it’s going to put some people off running this sub.

Primal is a seduction sub alright, but it’s not simply a seduction sub. Read the copy again, try to understand the concept behind the sub, the mechanics by which seduction is then accomplished.

It’s about risk taking, being free, being liberated beyond convention, embodying a truly Primal man.

It’s not just seduction. Read the copy again, it is painting an image of what the sub offers and then ask yourself

What does a truly primal man mean to you?

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#34

All those titles lay great foundations for what Primal really offers, given you’ve done thorough healing, that you have.

Another thing is, Primal made me understand that revisiting the term “reconciliation” may be necessary as I’ve experienced it on Primal in different forms than the ones described in the traditional terms.

To me, “the new recon” (related to the NSE) doesn’t always manifest in the forms we all know (irascibility, anxiety etc.), I would say it rarely manifests in those forms, and its essential form is very similar to what we used to call “stonewalling”. Yet it’s never total but encompasses certain parts of the scripting we’re unable to execute at the moment. It’s a kind of inability to execute patterns encouraged by those parts of the scripting. That inability is perceived on the subconscious level only, and what helps to overcome it is to get aware of that inability and recognize those patterns in order to try to reinforce them in a conscious way, mainly by reflecting upon them and taking proper action.

@AnswerGroup

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#35

How long have you been running it, mate? If you base your opinion on the sales copy solely it’s not really serious to argue with someone who’s been running Primal for over six months, with some breaks in between.

On top of that, you’re referring to the very basic aspect of Primal while the sub offers so much more than that.

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#36

I’ve ran it for three cycles now.

I know you have ran it for six months as you say. However, that is your own experience and unique insight of the sub, or doesn’t mean others will have the same experience as you did.

Two different people can run the same sub and get different results.

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