Mental disorders and subclub

[Budewr]

@Invictus

@Budewr if i recall correctly, you mentioned once about you having ADHD or ADD, i assume?

and you used both RM and StarkQ for a long time, right? how did you feel? how was your attention span? how do you think the effects helped you in that context?

i worked with Stark and Rm and LDU for 1.5 months

i didnt notice any shifts at all, maybe overall live improvement but when it comes to my ultra distracted focus sometimes which i call it ADHD or whatever, nope it didnt help

but i also believe that Mental disorders are not just something that dropped from the sky, it can be treated with subs yes, thats what i believe

trauma, Severe depression any mental illness , can be worked out

my concern is schizophrenia. if it can be treated with subs or not, cause i think it needs lots of healing deep work

i dont believe meds or anything can work out mental illness

[COWolfe]

@Budewr

my concern is schizophrenia. if it can be treated with subs or not, cause i think it needs lots of healing deep work

Thats more of a biological condition, as in something physically wrong with the brain. Subs may help treatment along, but they’d need to be getting proper medical and psychiatric care as well.

[Yazooneh]

Morality is a very shallow subject in the realm of self improvement

You either do the work which the sub guides you towards and pay your dues and reach the goal or you don’t

Good or evil

[Yazooneh]

The brain can regenerate too, it’s physical, but to a realistic degree, lots of work and a proper subliminal program for it

Asps head helped me a lot

[COWolfe]

@Yazooneh

The brain can regenerate too, it’s physical, but to a realistic degree, lots of work and a proper subliminal program for it

I know, but I really wouldn’t count on subs alone to solve something like schizophrenia. Used in conjunction with a good treatment plan, I’d bet the results would be miraculous.

[SaintSovereign]

@Invictus

like giving a sexual offender something like Libertine and PS:IT could end up with him doing what he wants easily and make it easy for him to keep doing it, instead of healing? or am i wrong on that?

Doubtful. Our scripts are ethical. Both Libertine and PS: IT (any of our sexual subs, really), emphasizes CONSENSUAL sex, meaning both parties have to agree. At the end of the day, this is the “are guns evil, or are people evil” argument.

@Sub.Zero

Saint said once that subs are static systems whilst we are dynamic systems meaning that the same static system affects you in a different way than it affects me… and even the same sub affects you in a different way at a different point in your life. I experienced that on Stark. Before the Dragon, it was a different experience than it was after running it.

Exactly. And even more on ZP. We have testers who received incredible external results. We have some that didn’t see much externally, but went through a drastic internal change. We have some that got a mixture of both. We even have some that didn’t see anything for 40-something days, and BOOM – now they’re getting results. Every one is different, and its not really our job to try and dictate to our users what they should be doing or how they should live their lives. That’s why our scripts are so unique (and why sometimes it takes awhile to see results). Our unique method of scripting (and again, even more in ZP), really does place you at the center of your own dynamic system and allows you to determine what you want.

@Invictus

Like I’ll tell you something that you could think about, if a president of a superpower country, like the US or China, or even NK, ended up using Khan with the goal of total world domination, how would would PCC or SI help you? And as we know, twisted ideas like that come from a lack of ethics and morale, which in itself comes from feeling low/no remorse (first main giveaway of ASPD).

You’re assuming Khan always ends up with an arrogant, heartless individual. Not true. Khan is well-balanced, just like every other one of our titles. Some people will run Khan and become a benevolent, yet powerful leader. Others may double down in their malicious. However, the latter will be exposed to the healing scripting, which would compel them to wonder why they’re being malicious in the first place. You’re applying incorrect archetypes to the programs, not recognizing them as an almost neutral catalyst for change within a dynamic system.

For example, we don’t even define what “power” is in many subs like Khan. Why? We will all define “power” differently. For me, “power” is focused inward. I like the freedom of not having to answer to a boss. I can work on any project I please, explore any avenue I want because I work for myself. I have no desire to impose external power on others. You may feel otherwise. That’s what we mean by a static program within a dynamic system.

[Invictus]

I honestly love reading everything you write because of the different perspective you always give.

However, and in no I’m trying to start arguments or something here, I just love exploring every side of any given topic.

Now you mentioned that while the scripts are written in an ethical way and that healing would make a person with malicious intent to question the logic behind that malice, which could lead to them reconsidering their intentions, right?

But then here’s what I’d like to know, what if those intentions are never removed because of the fact that the user is convinced that they are right.

I’ll add on to those by exposing myself a bit more, I mentioned above about my superiority complex, which (i try to keep this to myself) gets boosted with WANTED, because I do see myself becoming superior to those around me, and to me, this was the way I went through life before I found subclub, and now after being here for so long, and getting the results I got, my mindset about how I’m superior to those around me in terms physical looks, intelligence, social status and confidence has not changed.

In this example, the self acceptance I got from WANTED made me accept my superiority complex even more, so what would your comment be on this? Is it due to the script not seeing it as “unnecessary to remove”, or is my subconscious against removing it?

[Invictus]

@Yazooneh

Morality is a very shallow subject in the realm of self improvement

you sound like how I’d imagine a Machiavellian leader to sound like.

@Yazooneh

You either do the work which the sub guides you towards and pay your dues and reach the goal or you don’t

Good or evil

obviously, the subs won’t guide you to do something that is morally wrong, however, some personality disorders blur the line between what’s moral and what’s not (Ex: ASPD, NPD, BPD)

plus what even dictates “good” and “evil”?

what’s okay for me, might not be for you, and vice versa, so who’s to say that an action was evil or not

[Azriel]

@SaintSovereign

For example, we don’t even define what “power” is in many subs like Khan. Why? We will all define “power” differently. For me, “power” is focused inward. I like the freedom of not having to answer to a boss. I can work on any project I please, explore any avenue I want because I work for myself. I have no desire to impose external power on others. You may feel otherwise. That’s what we mean by a static program within a dynamic system.

I love your concept of power, and would prefer to have something like that then to my sense of my own internal definition. Can subs go about shifting/evolving our definitions of the static elements in the system if we make some conscious effort to guide that?

[Invictus]

@Azriel

Can subs go about shifting/evolving our definitions of the static elements in the system if we make some conscious effort to guide that?

I think that would be possible by learning those concepts and soaking them in (as far as I understand that).
for example, both of us can run WANTED and end up mysterious, except you might show that mystery by spending less time with others or meeting them less, while as I might show it by only controlling how I speak, regardless of how much time I spend with them.
in this case, we can both change our “definition” of mystery by learning concepts about it and learning from each other, or maybe you could also do this; find a fictional character that suits your archetype and study them, watch the series/movie they’re in, and apply what’s necessary (like Lucifer, as he fits my goals, i chose him)

[StateOfBeing]

@Invictus

Lucifer

Such a good character that fits the WANTED archetype

[StateOfBeing]

@SaintSovereign

For example, we don’t even define what “power” is in many subs like Khan. Why? We will all define “power” differently. For me, “power” is focused inward. I like the freedom of not having to answer to a boss. I can work on any project I please, explore any avenue I want because I work for myself. I have no desire to impose external power on others. You may feel otherwise. That’s what we mean by a static program within a dynamic system.

Such a great definition of power. Power has always been internal for me.

[SaintSovereign]

@Invictus

I’ll add on to those by exposing myself a bit more, I mentioned above about my superiority complex, which (i try to keep this to myself) gets boosted with WANTED, because I do see myself becoming superior to those around me, and to me, this was the way I went through life before I found subclub, and now after being here for so long, and getting the results I got, my mindset about how I’m superior to those around me in terms physical looks, intelligence, social status and confidence has not changed.

Wanted doesn’t have the profound healing scripts that Khan has. Wanted is a pretty straightforward script, with straightforward concepts – get you to become as physically attractive as possible through physical shifting, style, etc.

Now, go run Emperor: HoM, and get ready to stare down and face your inner landscape.

[SaintSovereign]

@Azriel

I love your concept of power, and would prefer to have something like that then to my sense of my own internal definition. Can subs go about shifting/evolving our definitions of the static elements in the system if we make some conscious effort to guide that?

Consciously guide it. Recognize when you’re expressing a desire to control someone else rather than your reaction or inner life. Eventually, the new paradigm will set in.

[Invictus]

@SaintSovereign

Now, go run Emperor: HoM, and get ready to stare down and face your inner landscape.

I suppose you mentioned HoM because of it humbling my attitude for better relationships, right?

I guess it would be a good experiment and experience to see if it can remove my complex, or if I end up in hard recon due to me being the polar opposite

[SaintSovereign]

@Invictus

I suppose you mentioned HoM because of it humbling my attitude for better relationships, right?

Wasn’t really directed at you in general, but HoM is an extremely hard title to run. It’s one of those titles that’ll easily illustrate the difference between titles with a lot of healing and those without.

[Lion]

@Invictus

Now you mentioned that while the scripts are written in an ethical way and that healing would make a person with malicious intent to question the logic behind that malice, which could lead to them reconsidering their intentions, right?

But then here’s what I’d like to know, what if those intentions are never removed because of the fact that the user is convinced that they are right

Then the intentions are not removed. The subliminal won’t change what you don’t want to change. It will make you think about certain issues you have and thinking about them in order to make a decision but ultimately you decide.

For example, Khan ST1 could challenge you on your habits of pride and humility (remember both pride and humility has both pros and cons). But incase you decide you like being proud or not changing that aspect of yourselves, then nothing will happen to change it (which is not always a bad thing). Maybe the title will help you be “proud in an advantageous way”.

[Budewr]

@SaintSovereign

Now, go run Emperor: HoM, and get ready to stare down and face your inner landscape.

Oh i love that

Thank god im running Emperor!

This is gonna be an awesome journey

[gdbdboy]

I think , HoM is without healing right ?

[Yazooneh]

Mate I literally said it’s a shallow subject and you replied to my post banging on more about it lmao

Good and evil changes every culture or generAtion, 100 years ago if I told someone from that time we would have half the world living in luxury and comfort while the other half starved and died and the first half constantly turned a blind eye to it, they’d shiver and even prophesize that the first half would have no meaning to life

Yet here we are

Every historical figure that is painted as objectively evil probably had done some good and vice versa, power just is, you have more potential for change in the world from both good and evil

Can’t keep drawing everyone like a cartoonish caricature based on good and evil cuz it ruins the complexity of power and human nature. The average person is capable of both less good and less evil than the higher ups, yet will still talk like they make love to the essence of good and love every single night before they sleep