Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

In a way I kind of see people with hot girlfriends and hot wives as higher social status

In general guys that get hotter girls are “cooler” than guys that don’t, and for me, being someone who a 10/10 girl is in a LTR with is higher status than being a player who CAN get 10/10 girls

In my head the LTR’s are higher status because if you’re a player, then you’re just sleeping with girls and either they’re dumping you, or you’re dumping them before they can dump you

So… on the one hand, I want to have HeartSong eliminate this belief that my partner’s beauty creates my self worth or status

But on the other hand, I want a beautiful wife, as someone said here I’ll always be looking for my next girlfriend if I don’t think my current girlfriend is the most beautiful girl in the world (to me)

Edit1: these realizations above are extremely helpful. My heartsong presults have officially begun. I realized that at its primal core, what’s really happening is that when I see a hot girl, I immediately perceive myself as low status and think that seducing or being with her would increase my status. Therefore, one of the beliefs I would need to adopt in order to manifest my soulmate is to believe that I’m already fully worthy of her. My worth is intrinsic and not based on who I’m dating, which means I’m a high status man whether I’m single, or dating a beautiful woman, and I’m still a high status man if I have to break up with a physical beauty who isn’t a 10/10 match for me emotionally

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Funny you mentioned this, cause I had this realization just a few hours ago while taking my shower haha

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Is a"revelation of love" in consideration?

I feel like with all of the pressure to find someone yet inability to control others, a revelation style unfolding could be helpful (and this season still hasn’t had any revelation/unfolding tech iirc)

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I think one big factor that minimizes neediness is having standards, or like a checklist of attributes one looks for in a partner. Like no matter how pretty they are, they have to have these attributes.

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We’ve exchanged a couple of messages before and you asked me about stress and self-pressuring. Now you just mentioned “the pressure to find someone”.

Could you explain what it is exactly that you feel? Why do you think you experience this kind of pressure?

I’ve read your recent posts here, but I wasn’t able to understand the reason. You said that you want your dream partnership. That I get, but why such pressure?

I’m impressed with your openness and honesty, by the way (and for what it’s worth).

I meant more generally, from seeing people mention it on this thread. It’s not a pressure I feel overwhelmingly.

I did, maybe 7 years ago, and that came from a lot of scarcity and limiting belief and fear of dying alone that I’m a bit too far removed from to elaborate on without considerable effort to recall

Now, I can relate to it some, but I’m not the best person to speak on it

I love the idea, 1st stage building, healing and forming foundation. 2nd is for suitable “heartsong” partner.

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Thank you for putting so much thought into this!

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This is my perspective coming from having a manifestation on the original.

I think that all the pressure on finding someone and considering them your soulmate is kind of harmful. The manifestation I got back then I felt didn’t represent my growth as a person, in the sense that the girl felt like more of a return to what was comfortable and familiar than someone I could grow fully with. As in her personal philosophy was one that would’ve been compatible with me a year prior, but by that point was something I was consciously moving away from. I’m worried that by focusing so much on that person “who’s always been right for you,” we may neglect the fact that everyone is continuously changing in ways that may or may not make them compatible in the future.

I think if the subliminal is being phrased in the sense of finding the person who’s always been right for you, you end up with a ton of misconceptions and grappling with beliefs that you probably got as a child when the view you had on love was very naive (albeit innocent and pure). I do think those beliefs and mental structures should be tackled at some point, but I think it’s a very slippery slope when absolutes like “always” are brought in and suddenly your beliefs as a child, which may have been very easily manipulated, now have priority. There has to be a level of conscious maturity and self-reflection almost baked in to differentiate the previous vision of happily ever after you had as a kid, and the adult reality of what that entails.

TLDR: I think focusing on who you are now and your growth in the future might be more effective than assuming one person has always been perfect for you.

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@SaintSovereign do you have a new or more detailed sense of what you think heartsong might be about now? Would love to hear the “rough draft” or anything that you feel like is fairly concrete in your head to know what is set in stone and what is still in need of feedback!

There is a lot of talk about “manifesting” a partner in this thread, but I would very much like to have a focus on the actual relationship and the skills involved. Finding an amazing partner and quickly messing up the relationship is not a great outcome. So navigating the challenges of long-term relationships should be a heavy focus.

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@SaintSovereign im glad this comment is resonating. I want it such that if someone is running this title they can’t help but end up manifesting their partner. Even if they’re the type of person to sit inside all day. Because the title just causes them to go out to events and explore, or because their friends introduce them to someone.

The universe/God will conspire to get them their partner if they’re running the title :joy:

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One concern I would have with heart song…

As much as I would love to manifest a soulmate, I’m not necessarily in need of it to be the very next person that I date seriously.

I’ll certainly try my best to have the standards and discernment necessary to determine in advance whether or not the person I’m considering dating is someone I see long-term potential in… but ultimately you never know

Another person is not something that you can manifest in the traditional sense because they’re not truly “yours” to manifest, they belong to themselves.

In contrast, The manifestation of money is a one-and-done experience. Once you have it, you just have to focus on not losing it, and growing it, and cultivating it.

In theory, once you find a partner, you just need to focus on not losing them, and growing the relationship…

But as with any partner, you also need to know whether or not they really are the right person for you. You might have to break up with the person you “manifested” because you weren’t manifesting a soulmate this time at all, but, another stepping stone that would teach you what you need to eventually have that soulmate and have it work out

And if you feel like you MANIFESTED someone that you just met, in my definition, that’s getting too attached too quickly, and projecting fantasies on someone you’ve just met and don’t really actually have any idea about.

I’ve literally had friends say to me that they don’t like the person that they’re currently dating, but that their horoscopes say that the person that they’re meeting now is destined to be their soulmate or the person that they’ll marry…

Extreme, yes, but it demonstrates how we lose our ability to use sound and reasonable judgement when we project our fantasies onto somebody that intensely.

I don’t think you find or manifest a soulmate at all, I think you grow a romantic relationship into a lifelong bond, you turn someone into your soulmate through experiences that created shared trust and history… and that trust takes months years and even decades of time to truly manifest. Trying to prematurely manifest a soulmate seems like wanting to skip the buildup and practicality that our relationship takes, and more importantly, skip the real and scary possibility that the person you date next might not actually be your soulmate and you might get hurt, rejected or abandoned.

From what I’ve observed in the seduction community and in real life, the people who end up with great partners are usually the ones who have options and then choose from that pool based on the traits they truly want.

That doesn’t mean being fake or playing games. It means cultivating an abundance mindset:

  • You don’t put all your emotional energy into one person before anything is mutual and solid.
  • You avoid oneitis (obsessing over a single “special” person) and the FOMO that makes you settle or rush bad decisions.
  • You stay grounded in the idea that there are many potential partners who could be compatible with you.

The “soulmate” idea is often sold as one perfect person for you. In reality, you can have deep, meaningful connections with several people over your life – even multiple “soulmate-level” connections. The question isn’t “Who is my only soulmate?” but “Which connection best aligns with who I am and what I want right now?”

In that context, something like a “harem of soulmate manifestation scripts” can make sense:

  • You clarify the qualities you want in a partner.
  • You mentally and emotionally open yourself to multiple people who match those qualities.
  • From that pool, you consciously choose the relationship that fits you best, instead of clinging to the first person who shows interest.

Abundance doesn’t mean you never commit. It means you commit from choice, not from fear.
When you know you’re not desperate, you:

  • Set better boundaries
  • Make clearer decisions
  • Attract higher-quality partners who respect you

You don’t have only one soulmate. You have several possible great matches. Your job is to build a life and a mindset where you can recognize them, compare them honestly, and choose what truly serves you.

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You two are providing an example of why I don’t think ‘soulmate’ should be a part of the script. As someone else said, it’s “Heartsong,” not “Soulsong.” If we meet someone who can make our heart sing and we stay together for life and enjoy that, what does it matter if they are not our ‘soulmate’—the authority for that concept resting with…who, exactly? I don’t recall if there’s an authoritative definition or qualification.

It’s why I think Heartsong should just focus on the practicalities, like in the objectives I talk about here.

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While I originally envisioned waiting a bit to run HS…I kind of want HS ZPU now. To be able to manifest that long term partner.

I’ve mentioned this multiple times. The best way to contribute right now (though everyone’s suggestions are helpful) is to focus on what a successful Heartsong run looks like to you.

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A successful Heartsong run, to me, can be summed up by this quote above. By simply following my intuition and being guided by the flow of life, I’m continuously encountering these amazingly wonderful, compatible individuals where there is a natural, seamless connection almost right off the bat. Individuals that seem tailor made to me in all ways.

And ultimately, from that place of abundance, naturally growing into a heavenly relationship with someone who stands stands head and shoulders above even the exceptional, in a class of their own.

Having experienced so many wonderful possibilities, there is no doubt that this is the person worth choosing, committing to, and building a life with.

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It’s crazy that I might have manifested my “soulmate” from heartsong presults

Specifically, after months of my ex and I being afraid of commitment with each other, we both made it very clear that we are all in on a long term relationship, and got aligned on a lot of things in life.

We’re both crystal clear we want to be monogamous (we argued constantly about monogamy, openness, casual vs dating, etc)

While we broke up, we both (without telling each other) decided to move to south east Asia - one of my biggest issues with the relationship was that I don’t want to live in this city forever and she seemed permanently attached to it.

She was extremely anxious about me traveling, in the past, but we talked deeply about why and made it a non issue.

I told her that if she wants to date me I need to live my life 100% authentically and won’t compromise on the lifestyle I want just to fit her into a lesser version of my ideal life, and she agreed, and we talked about independence.

So…

Subclub,

What my new “dream run” of heartsong would be isn’t necessarily a manifestation title, but, now that I’ve manifested the partner…

I’d want HeartSong to help me build my dream life while also incorporating and including my partner in my life vision. It’s not just about manifesting the person. It’s about manifesting the life and experiences that make me look back at my life 60 years from now and think to myself “wow my life would have been 100x worse without you”

I want to manifest the teammate vibe and personally I am, and she is, extremely adventurous, and she already supports that I’ll be traveling and doing monasteries and stuff, but i’d want HeartSong to help me navigate living a 1-in-a-million lifestyle while still including my partner in it. Not having to choose between adventure and stability but having both. Finding ways to utilize both our unique strengths in a way that we can confidently say that the reason each of our lives is so good is because of how much we enable each other to really be our best selves.

Not just manifesting my dream partner but also my dream life.

Heartsong could be interpreted as finding not just the heart in someone else, but also finding the essence/heart in your own life that makes you love life so much you can’t help but love who you share it with (because they’re a part of what makes life so amazing and also the perfect person to enjoy it with)

This is the thread that could make HeartSong good for single people too - when you love life, the right people come, the people you want to share it with.

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Adding scripting that helps integrating the mind with the (emotional) body.

I am capable of profound emotional depth, but my default state is one of extreme hypervigilance and detached analysis—not necessarily due to “social anxiety,” but rather because of an intellectual need for absolute, existential certainty before I can act.

I naturally experience myself from a kind of third-person perspective. The ego POV used to require a great deal of focus and energy for me to even enter, let alone sustain, because being and feeling were experienced as requiring me to let go of the role of the observer. Doing so, in turn, would mean abandoning the operational mode of gathering and analyzing the data that would determine the legitimacy and safety of my own experience.

I can have all the evidence for loving someone, or vice versa, and I still struggle massively with trusting it, unable to even communicate this struggle—a sort of existential analysis paralysis that has prevented me from acting throughout my entire life, destroying more than just potentially amazing relationships. I have been more caught up in modeling myself, the other person, the dynamic, and the environments it interacts with than in simply engaging from an embodied place and trusting what I feel and know.

And for the most part I did not even realize that dissociation was my default state, that my mind and consciousness have been constantly operating outside of my own body as this has been the default state for so long.

I can receive the most blatant IOIs, I can have a woman confess her love for me, and I will not trust it—not necessarily due to not trusting her, but due to me not trusting that I have access to enough data that will allow me to synthesize a model that would warrant intellectual certainty to the degree that allows me to express my love and affection without fearing being wrong about it.

In combination with the emotional depth that I have, and the degree to which women can become emotionally attached to me as well, I am terrified of being inaccurate in my assessment of this, as I do not want to express affection to someone unless I know that I truly mean it, on an existential level.

I have experienced profound emotional intimacy/merging/becoming one with more than one woman, but I would struggle to trust it afterwards, questioning, “Was this even real, or a false model?” And when in doubt (always), I would rather detach completely to avoid unnecessary hurt…which in itself often led to exactly that.

In the past, I used to think that I was simply love-bombing when I expressed myself emotionally and then detached, that I never loved them. Today, I am starting to understand that there was a split between my emotional, embodied self—which is highly sensitive and idealistic—and an extremely scientific psyche/consciousness that looked at both itself and existence as a detached observer.

The depth at which I want to share myself emotionally with a woman is extremely difficult to match. I have met only a handful of men throughout my life who are even capable of it, while the threshold for me to trust the legitimacy of that level of connection is essentially impossible to reach. It takes a woman who is already emotionally open to a similar degree for me to even consider forming any sort of emotional attachment anymore.

That is what Heartsong is about for me: not a fantasy, labels for soulmate or ideals, but two people who are able and willing to experience the embodiment of this level of emotional depth, trust, and freedom within their relationship.

Heaven on Earth

I am not willing to settle for anything less anymore.

@SaintSovereign

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