Might as well make an idea thread since we’re on Heartsong time now!
I have loads of ideas will put them in soon.
What does everyone think about heartsong and what they want to see in it?
Just gonna copy my comment here from other thread:
Heartsong has the potential be one of the most intense life changing titles SC can offer. Meeting a “soul mate” changes one’s life significant enough to create a clear dividing line between two chapters: who you were and what your life looked like before meeting them, and everything that came after. The idea isn’t merely finding someone who checks enough compatibility boxes, but encountering another person where there is that almost inexplicable sense of recognition.
So having said that, I am all for the SC team really taking their time with this one, considering current version is like 95% recon and 5% results (and that is not me knocking their work; it’s a hard subject to tackle).
Also, the title “soul mate” is irrelevant because at the end of the day, everyone is talking about the same thing using different titles via different beliefs.
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Can’t subscribe to that.
Heartsong made my heart dance with women
Choosing from my heart instead of my head
Loving like a dream
Apreciative of women with all their imperfections
And so much more
10 loops in total
The hermosa I slept with during this time had the most loving heart I had ever experienced. Unfortunately we live on different continents
That are magnificent results in my experience
In fact it worked so well I had to put it aside until I am ready for this
But yea the recon was intense the first 2-3 loops.
Nearly quitted
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Haha that’s a bit generous by my standards. For me, the last time I ran it, it was 100% recon and 0% results.
I’m glad the SC team acknowledged sometime back that this title needs a substantial rework; I personally was holding off on touching the title until it was fully rescripted in ZPU with ZPU build.
That being said, with this thread being in “Product Discussion” I had hoped the thread would have been opened by one of the SC founders. That’s what the designation is appropriate for.
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You’re thinking in the right direction. This is the issue with Heartsong – this topic appears deceptively simple. Everyone has a different definition of what a “soulmate” is. I’ve seen individuals here mention the concept of a “karmic soulmate,” deep relationships that aren’t necessarily easy, since both parties will bring out hidden insecurities and fear in the other, and through an intense relationship (which sometimes doesn’t even last), they learn what they truly want.
Now, what I need people to understand is that even if they don’t believe in this concept, those who do will express the script differently from them. Those who have a different idea of what a “soulmate” is will express the script in their own way. And it is not the goal of ZPU to change the underlying belief toward another ideal, but rather to honor the individual’s beliefs in a way that helps them grow.
So, keeping this in mind, how does one universalize the idea of a “soulmate?” That’s what makes Heartsong so deliciously challenging (if there’s one thing I love, it’s taking on topics that seem unsurmountable) and why the original version doesn’t work as well as it should. It doesn’t quite deal with the above in a meaningful manner.
While I’m going to keep it a bit close to the chest (and of course, you are all welcome to comment and share ideas – please do), the new Heartsong must evolve beyond its current simplistic form (it’s one of the shortest titles we’ve ever made) and honor the individual’s life path in a very deep manner. Love titles (not seduction, titles like Love Bomb) all seem to trigger unexpected recon, even though they seem quite simple. There is something about loving and the act of being loved – truly loved – that seems to trigger recon.
And interestingly enough, I am prone to a lot of synchronicities that seem to ignite my mind, and it was a damn U2 song that got me thinking deeply on this topic:
We can’t fall any further if
We can’t feel ordinary love
And we can’t reach any higher,
If we can’t deal with ordinary love
I will say this – I think the secret is locked away in PEACE. If I can mine the script properly and discover exactly what’s triggering the “spontaneous healing effect” (if you’ve tried PEACE, you know what I mean), it would be very helpful in Heartsong.
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All I really care about with Heartsong is keeping the original idea of not just a “soulmate” (whatever that really means of course), but identifying the user’s “ideal” relation ship style, ideal partner(s).
So if one is into polyamory, help manifest that. Or monogamy, etc. whatever they’re into.
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Damn right. That’ why I’m having trouble providing any input. At it’s glances, this is a simple title that doesn’t need more features, just refinement. But the topic is so nebulous, how do you keep it simple and universal?
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To add I’d like to see scirpting to find your ‘situational’ soulmate, attracting the partner for your current situation. Perhaps conscious guidance for short term relationships and summer flings.
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Please feel free to opine anyway. The more information we can get on people’s idea of a “soulmate,” the better.
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Since “soulmate” is inherently a spiritual idea, can it be left out? Focusing more on the “practical” aspects of finding people who are values match for the listener?
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Absolutely. This is being strongly considered.
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This is what I see
We have the Primal line (Primal, Primal Seduction, Sex and Seduction, etc) that works best when the user has an active dating life in which they regularly go out for the purposes of meeting people, or regularly visits places where there are opportunities to engage.
We have the Wanted line primarily for those who wish to be pursued rather than engage in active seduction. The ones who wants to develop magnetism, aura and a pull towards them.
Heartsong on the other hand is quite unique, is not really in any of those previous categories, its something altogether different and that uniqueness hasnt been able to shine in all of its glory.
To me is more about the “feel” of a particular relationship, shared values, the quality of the connection.
Im gonna think more about it.
Great!
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Right? It’s a very unique title that has a place in the catalog. Could you elaborate more on what that “feel” would be? Or go into more detail about what you mean by “the quality of the connection?”
No need to universalize it, I’m actually interested in what you envision running a successful version of Heartsong would be like. If you ran it for six months (or anyone for that matter), what would you want the end goal to look like?
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Ok… Lets see what comes out of this.
- Ive dated/been in relationships with women who are more attractive and others that are not so much (at least if we go by the “standards”)
- Ive dated women that are funnier others that were more serious.
- Ive dated extroverted and introverted women.
- Ive dated women who are good at sex and the ones who are not.
As different as all those women were physically, in their world view and their background, I always ended up enjoying relatioships with the ones who were open. Not perfect, not the pretiest, not the sexier, but open and genuine women.
Who were able to show themselves as they were, vulnerable, afraid, shy, happy, sad, horny. They were open to grow and share the adventure wherever it may take us.
Curiously that attribute helped me to see a beauty in them, that goes way beyond the physical. Of course Im still a man and enjoy boobs lol.
So how I envision a succesful version of Heartsong having been using it for a while?
Probably Im at the beach with a woman, we been dating for a while, we are eating something tasty I cooked, listening to music, talking and laughing. The sense is that at any moment things can turn into a wild adventure… whether is passionate lovemaking, or going for a ride, to get dessert, to climb a hill, a night out dancing… or talk for hours.
No pressure to do anything cause the experience itself is electric.
I see so many people around me in long term relationships with no communication and dead bedrooms, who all say “man thats what happen with relationships over time”.
But my experience has been different, Ive managed to make them funnier, sexier, hotter and more interesting over the years. (I let the “them” purposefully ambigous).
So to me Heartsong is the catalyst for the adventure to grow and get more and more interesting and enjoyable over time.
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I genuinely believe that taking LBFH in its current direction with regulation and relaxation is the best way to tackle this problem.
For those who’ve used similar subs to it too, GLM etc. Do you think they have similar potential for the “spontaneous healing effect”?
I bet PEACE has it the strongest, but I’ve been getting this “direct, immediate relaxation” from LBFH rather frequently. I’m curious how similar they are.
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I think there would be alot of value in a feature that reframes relationships as a journey. Some are destined for failure, some are incredible but either way we can learn about each other and ourselves.
I say this because I have been very reluctant to give my time to a potential partner if I dont see them as my “soulmate”. Yet in retrospect I have likely missed out on alot in my life from this.
In extention to this a relashionship as a journey is an ever changing thing. You and your “soulmate” should be capable of growing and developing together to make the relationship that much stronger.
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I think the key is in the name ‘Heartsong’.
Heart connection.
Not ‘Soulsong’.
Lots of people, and lots of guys, avoid the heart. Afraid of it. Or uncomfortable by it.
The ability to be vulnerably connected without feeling in danger of losing deep self-respect.
Not getting thrown off any time things get real.
Real connection.
Where you don’t feel like you’re faking in order to ‘earn approval’. Or doing things that you don’t actually support or believe in.
To me, those are the directions of deep, genuine connection.
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This. I think they can find a lot of inspiration in WDB for that. it’s such a strong connection sub. And without all the expectations of being a Wanted/Seduction sub, they’re free to really go all in on the connection factor.
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Being in sync, emotional bond, affinity, intimacy, wordless understanding and of course a shared unique sense of humor.
I think that too… Aligned Nervous Systems… Vibing.
“I laugh at the joke, when you are just thinking about telling it to me”
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