Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#181

One concern I would have with heart song…

As much as I would love to manifest a soulmate, I’m not necessarily in need of it to be the very next person that I date seriously.

I’ll certainly try my best to have the standards and discernment necessary to determine in advance whether or not the person I’m considering dating is someone I see long-term potential in… but ultimately you never know

Another person is not something that you can manifest in the traditional sense because they’re not truly “yours” to manifest, they belong to themselves.

In contrast, The manifestation of money is a one-and-done experience. Once you have it, you just have to focus on not losing it, and growing it, and cultivating it.

In theory, once you find a partner, you just need to focus on not losing them, and growing the relationship…

But as with any partner, you also need to know whether or not they really are the right person for you. You might have to break up with the person you “manifested” because you weren’t manifesting a soulmate this time at all, but, another stepping stone that would teach you what you need to eventually have that soulmate and have it work out

And if you feel like you MANIFESTED someone that you just met, in my definition, that’s getting too attached too quickly, and projecting fantasies on someone you’ve just met and don’t really actually have any idea about.

I’ve literally had friends say to me that they don’t like the person that they’re currently dating, but that their horoscopes say that the person that they’re meeting now is destined to be their soulmate or the person that they’ll marry…

Extreme, yes, but it demonstrates how we lose our ability to use sound and reasonable judgement when we project our fantasies onto somebody that intensely.

I don’t think you find or manifest a soulmate at all, I think you grow a romantic relationship into a lifelong bond, you turn someone into your soulmate through experiences that created shared trust and history… and that trust takes months years and even decades of time to truly manifest. Trying to prematurely manifest a soulmate seems like wanting to skip the buildup and practicality that our relationship takes, and more importantly, skip the real and scary possibility that the person you date next might not actually be your soulmate and you might get hurt, rejected or abandoned.

#182

From what I’ve observed in the seduction community and in real life, the people who end up with great partners are usually the ones who have options and then choose from that pool based on the traits they truly want.

That doesn’t mean being fake or playing games. It means cultivating an abundance mindset:

  • You don’t put all your emotional energy into one person before anything is mutual and solid.
  • You avoid oneitis (obsessing over a single “special” person) and the FOMO that makes you settle or rush bad decisions.
  • You stay grounded in the idea that there are many potential partners who could be compatible with you.

The “soulmate” idea is often sold as one perfect person for you. In reality, you can have deep, meaningful connections with several people over your life – even multiple “soulmate-level” connections. The question isn’t “Who is my only soulmate?” but “Which connection best aligns with who I am and what I want right now?”

In that context, something like a “harem of soulmate manifestation scripts” can make sense:

  • You clarify the qualities you want in a partner.
  • You mentally and emotionally open yourself to multiple people who match those qualities.
  • From that pool, you consciously choose the relationship that fits you best, instead of clinging to the first person who shows interest.

Abundance doesn’t mean you never commit. It means you commit from choice, not from fear.
When you know you’re not desperate, you:

  • Set better boundaries
  • Make clearer decisions
  • Attract higher-quality partners who respect you

You don’t have only one soulmate. You have several possible great matches. Your job is to build a life and a mindset where you can recognize them, compare them honestly, and choose what truly serves you.

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#183

You two are providing an example of why I don’t think ‘soulmate’ should be a part of the script. As someone else said, it’s “Heartsong,” not “Soulsong.” If we meet someone who can make our heart sing and we stay together for life and enjoy that, what does it matter if they are not our ‘soulmate’—the authority for that concept resting with…who, exactly? I don’t recall if there’s an authoritative definition or qualification.

It’s why I think Heartsong should just focus on the practicalities, like in the objectives I talk about here.

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#184

While I originally envisioned waiting a bit to run HS…I kind of want HS ZPU now. To be able to manifest that long term partner.

#185

I’ve mentioned this multiple times. The best way to contribute right now (though everyone’s suggestions are helpful) is to focus on what a successful Heartsong run looks like to you.

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#186

A successful Heartsong run, to me, can be summed up by this quote above. By simply following my intuition and being guided by the flow of life, I’m continuously encountering these amazingly wonderful, compatible individuals where there is a natural, seamless connection almost right off the bat. Individuals that seem tailor made to me in all ways.

And ultimately, from that place of abundance, naturally growing into a heavenly relationship with someone who stands stands head and shoulders above even the exceptional, in a class of their own.

Having experienced so many wonderful possibilities, there is no doubt that this is the person worth choosing, committing to, and building a life with.

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#187

It’s crazy that I might have manifested my “soulmate” from heartsong presults

Specifically, after months of my ex and I being afraid of commitment with each other, we both made it very clear that we are all in on a long term relationship, and got aligned on a lot of things in life.

We’re both crystal clear we want to be monogamous (we argued constantly about monogamy, openness, casual vs dating, etc)

While we broke up, we both (without telling each other) decided to move to south east Asia - one of my biggest issues with the relationship was that I don’t want to live in this city forever and she seemed permanently attached to it.

She was extremely anxious about me traveling, in the past, but we talked deeply about why and made it a non issue.

I told her that if she wants to date me I need to live my life 100% authentically and won’t compromise on the lifestyle I want just to fit her into a lesser version of my ideal life, and she agreed, and we talked about independence.

So…

Subclub,

What my new “dream run” of heartsong would be isn’t necessarily a manifestation title, but, now that I’ve manifested the partner…

I’d want HeartSong to help me build my dream life while also incorporating and including my partner in my life vision. It’s not just about manifesting the person. It’s about manifesting the life and experiences that make me look back at my life 60 years from now and think to myself “wow my life would have been 100x worse without you”

I want to manifest the teammate vibe and personally I am, and she is, extremely adventurous, and she already supports that I’ll be traveling and doing monasteries and stuff, but i’d want HeartSong to help me navigate living a 1-in-a-million lifestyle while still including my partner in it. Not having to choose between adventure and stability but having both. Finding ways to utilize both our unique strengths in a way that we can confidently say that the reason each of our lives is so good is because of how much we enable each other to really be our best selves.

Not just manifesting my dream partner but also my dream life.

Heartsong could be interpreted as finding not just the heart in someone else, but also finding the essence/heart in your own life that makes you love life so much you can’t help but love who you share it with (because they’re a part of what makes life so amazing and also the perfect person to enjoy it with)

This is the thread that could make HeartSong good for single people too - when you love life, the right people come, the people you want to share it with.

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#188

Adding scripting that helps integrating the mind with the (emotional) body.

I am capable of profound emotional depth, but my default state is one of extreme hypervigilance and detached analysis—not necessarily due to “social anxiety,” but rather because of an intellectual need for absolute, existential certainty before I can act.

I naturally experience myself from a kind of third-person perspective. The ego POV used to require a great deal of focus and energy for me to even enter, let alone sustain, because being and feeling were experienced as requiring me to let go of the role of the observer. Doing so, in turn, would mean abandoning the operational mode of gathering and analyzing the data that would determine the legitimacy and safety of my own experience.

I can have all the evidence for loving someone, or vice versa, and I still struggle massively with trusting it, unable to even communicate this struggle—a sort of existential analysis paralysis that has prevented me from acting throughout my entire life, destroying more than just potentially amazing relationships. I have been more caught up in modeling myself, the other person, the dynamic, and the environments it interacts with than in simply engaging from an embodied place and trusting what I feel and know.

And for the most part I did not even realize that dissociation was my default state, that my mind and consciousness have been constantly operating outside of my own body as this has been the default state for so long.

I can receive the most blatant IOIs, I can have a woman confess her love for me, and I will not trust it—not necessarily due to not trusting her, but due to me not trusting that I have access to enough data that will allow me to synthesize a model that would warrant intellectual certainty to the degree that allows me to express my love and affection without fearing being wrong about it.

In combination with the emotional depth that I have, and the degree to which women can become emotionally attached to me as well, I am terrified of being inaccurate in my assessment of this, as I do not want to express affection to someone unless I know that I truly mean it, on an existential level.

I have experienced profound emotional intimacy/merging/becoming one with more than one woman, but I would struggle to trust it afterwards, questioning, “Was this even real, or a false model?” And when in doubt (always), I would rather detach completely to avoid unnecessary hurt…which in itself often led to exactly that.

In the past, I used to think that I was simply love-bombing when I expressed myself emotionally and then detached, that I never loved them. Today, I am starting to understand that there was a split between my emotional, embodied self—which is highly sensitive and idealistic—and an extremely scientific psyche/consciousness that looked at both itself and existence as a detached observer.

The depth at which I want to share myself emotionally with a woman is extremely difficult to match. I have met only a handful of men throughout my life who are even capable of it, while the threshold for me to trust the legitimacy of that level of connection is essentially impossible to reach. It takes a woman who is already emotionally open to a similar degree for me to even consider forming any sort of emotional attachment anymore.

That is what Heartsong is about for me: not a fantasy, labels for soulmate or ideals, but two people who are able and willing to experience the embodiment of this level of emotional depth, trust, and freedom within their relationship.

Heaven on Earth

I am not willing to settle for anything less anymore.

@SaintSovereign

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#189

successful heartsong run: I run it and I either meet and start dating a partner that I wish I could date “ideal dream partner” / “your soulmate” / “your romatic interest archetype that wants you” in both looks and archetype

or - the existing relationship shifts over time more into the kind of relationship we wish we could experience.

I bet there are girls all around youtube making all these “your crush wants you” and “manifest your ideal perfect partner” amateur subs. Its a huge demand and the wish is simple… they all want to date the guys they dream of. Someone to “rock their world” and someone to live life with like we only get to do it once. Desires are met, new passionate / fun experiences are unfolding all the time with them in the style and feel that the person has a taste in for themselves. I wish heartsong would be like that. Open for diverse desires to be fulfilled.

heartsong should teach and direct both people to find enjoyment in interacting and finding creative ways to make life fun between them two - heavily romantically - whatever shape that takes on depending on the person.

and please make it so we dont manifest avoidant attachment people cuz my lawd it takes two to tango and you cant do that when the other person tries to find reasons to break up. We want partners that want us and want to be with us… every day. and maybe a final script in the end that makes sure they align with us in what we want in the future so we can plan together easily whatever the adventure we choose together.

edit: okay lastly… a script that will allow us to still pursue our own identity alongside our love interest. And it working really well between us and them. A dynamic duo instead of us sacrificing our dreams of who we wish we could be to become smaller / fit around someone else as some side character in their story.

so - we are free and able to express ourselves the way we want while also having that “ideal partner we dream of” that want us and we both want a future the fits well together. plus its really fun for the two of us to interact together in ways we want depending on what were “into”.

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#190

I don’t want this sub to get lost in the sauce/overcomplicated. I think much of the original Heartsong goals are good and should stay, like healing of past romantic traumas, manifesting partners who you’d deeply connect with, becoming more discerning about what you really want in a partner(s), etc. just all updated to the ZPU format.

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#191

This feels like a critical component to consider including in the Heartsong ZPU upgrade.

Especially since the user will be listening to these profoundly transformative ZPU subliminals, it seems imperative that their partner be willing and able to grow alongside them, if the relationship is to ultimately be successful in the long term.

I’ve personally seen many relationships that started off strong eventually fall apart because one person kept growing while the other stayed stagnant. Over time, the gap between them became impossible to ignore.

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#192

Basically what @Jouissance said: meeting you feels like a synchronicity for the girl

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#193

Even though there are some good suggestions on this thread (like @cryo424 reminding us of what’s already in the copy about growing with your partner), I think it’s clear this is a sub that people are having a lot of recon about.

This one that a lot of people talked about, and the slightly reworded “meeting you feels like a synchronicity for the girl”… it brings up so many red flags.

First of all, to “make other people” do something or have an experience, breaks free will scripting. There is a big difference between, say, generating an aura of someone who is ready for a relationship and knows what they want, or whatever, which someone else can pick up on and react to on the one hand; on the other hand, “make them have this experience”, hell naw.

Secondly, let me give a real example from my own life. I know a person who met someone who has caused them a lot of positive growth, albeit not without a lot of drama and angst, and this person likes to keep telling me how much their connection feels like destiny, how important she is to him, and so on. Yet often she won’t show him the time of day, going off to do her own stuff a lot.

Well, I finally did her natal chart recently, and then synastry with the friend. Uranus-Saturn opposition, the man holds Uranus and the woman holds Saturn. This creates a kind of electric pursuit where to the man it feels karmic (Saturn), and the relationship feels like it challenges the woman’s sense of comfort or need to feel in control (Uranus). Is this a good dynamic for a relationship? Hell no! Although other aspects in the chart do soften that.

The point of that is: people’s natal charts and their connections can make people feel like they were “fated to meet” all the time, even as they work on mastering their own nature. I have my Saturn conjunct her Node as well, and this creates a similar “fated” dynamic, but it doesn’t make me her soulmate. What someone makes you feel stems from their core nature, their zero point and how it rubs against your own nature. It doesn’t come from a script magically changing your own aura or energy for fleeting time period, or doing a kind of reverse shallow Hal on someone else.

The title of the sub is Heartsong, and in true Zero Point style is has to work with your own inner nature or zero point. In this case it is your own heart, your sense of how you love or how you feel attraction, that is going to affect the type of person you will attract. You don’t really have to do anything (nor does the sub) other than recognizing your own inner nature, especially your desire nature, your love nature (Venus, Mars, Moon etc in natal chart) and become comfortable with them, and allow them to bloom and express outwardly, to “sing” and attract someone for whom that nature is going to give them a good feeling.

But once you’ve attracted them, that doesn’t mean they’re going to stay unless you consciously work to maintain that connection, and I think really this is what HeartSong is designed to do is to remind the subconscious to continue to keep these aspects of your being active, and then the action you take does the rest.

It’s easy to over-complicate love because its one of the most profound things a person can feel, indeed Christianity has been based on the Master making it clear just how important love is, whether it is romantic love or brotherly love or some other kind of love. It is a life’s work, learning how to use your own inner nature and your consciousness to harmonise with others, and to harmonise with the outer world in general. Heartsong just asks you “how do I experience my ideal romantic relationship”, and that causes a lot of recon because often people don’t even know what that is to them, because of past experiences getting in the way of feeling their own inner being.

But yeah, I would steer well clear of the idea of HS making someone else “do something” or “have experience X”, because free will scripting aside, these are really just wishes or desires that are personal and might have nothing to do with what someone else wants in a partner. Use those insights about your own nature to feel in to what your own perfect relationship is like, internally, because by experiencing that internally, you’re working with the natural principles of manifestation to draw that type of experience to you.

I think that’s the kind of ideas I’d love to see focused on in HS. In that way, it draws from some of the insights learned through LB/LBFH, the Primal series, and ME.

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#194

I’m sure this has been mentioned already in the thread, but scripting designed to break patterns that lead to difficult relationship dynamics would be great.

In high school and college I ended up involved with girls with boyfriends, and they’d subsequently relationship hop to me. Needless to say, they never received the space to process/heal/mourn their relationship prior to me, and eventually I’d receive the karmic end of what I initiated in the first place.

I’ve avoided relationships for years now (perhaps out of an emotional trauma from those younger days) and I’d love to jump back in without a subconscious fear of attracting an outdated dynamic.

It wouldn’t have to be healing heavy - just enough to lightly target romantic trauma and/or habits.

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#195

Documenting my mind

Even the idea of being in a relationship right now already brings back the belief that relationships are something I’ll be “trapped in”

I’m trying to remind myself that I’m allowed to break up with anyone if it truly doesn’t work out, so that I’m not trapped.

I don’t truly know how to utilize the fact that I love someone and the fact that they want to be in a great relationship with me to think about how to actually utilize it and create a better life with it…

If I was going to create a great life with anyone, it’s very likely I could do so with her, but deep down the idea that I have is that I give in relationships way more than I get.

I want to be monogamous but childhood upbringing + past experiences lead me to a fear of being controlled and held hostage

These are very conscious and lucid thoughts I’m working through but thought it would be helpful to share

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#196

Oh noes I’ve been called out. You’re right though, bad wording. This is more what I mean (pulled from current Heartsong page):

This is coupled with the sophisticated scripting of Heartsong, which facilitates an immediate, magnetic attraction to those who are a match for you. Remember, this attraction is mutual, creating a powerful, synergistic effect that accelerates the journey to find remarkable romantic partners.

So basically, assuming both parties do/would genuinely connect on a deep level, both parties will feel it instead of just one.

Also, I don’t think “making” someone have an experience is necessarily negative if it’s an enjoyable one, one that makes life feel richer and more exciting to them, even if only subtly.

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#197

Saint and Fire are masters with words and language. See how they’ve used the word ‘facilitate’. That means:

To facilitate means to make an action, process, or task easier, smoother, or more likely to happen. [1]

That means it assists in improving the probability of an outcome, but it does not cause it. The other party who isn’t necessarily using the subliminal could say “get away from me you freak!”, but they might not either.

The copy talks about basically doing what can be done to remove impediments to the process. Not making it happen. Kind of along the lines of “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. One does not shove the horses head in the river and say “Drink Artax! Drink!” :laughing:

And by all means if it’s consensual, “you made me… ‘have an experience’, Daddy!” :laughing: but in all reality as men we don’t cause a woman to do anything, she makes the decision to go along with the process and gets herself excited. We only facilitate :wink: and vice versa for other gender configurations of course.

Of course, if she’s into leather and wearing a collar and having things “done” to her, have at it, but then that would be Primal Nights, not Heartsong :rofl:

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#198

I notice how that on WDB (and ever since running WDB), I pull women in with emotional connection and make the vibe more “romantic,”

REPEATEDLY, I MEAN RE-PETE-DAVIDSON-DIDDLY I hear women tell me “I can have casual sex if that’s what I want no problem but when it’s something real and emotional like this that’s hard for me”

And then their attachment issues come up

So, scripting around being a person that people can feel securely attached to could be helpful in heartsong.

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#199

A crazy idea: If you could rank every potential partner in the world purely by compatibility, the person ranked first—the most compatible person among everyone alive—could be considered your soulmate. By this definition, a soulmate isn’t mystical; it’s simply the person with whom you have the highest possible compatibility.

However, there may be thousands or even millions of highly compatible people in the world. Only a small fraction of them would actually add value to your life because of practical factors such as living nearby, being available, crossing paths with you, and having the opportunity to meet.

Now imagine using subliminals over a long period with the goal of finding the person ranked #1—the most compatible person possible. Perhaps that could take ten years. But reaching someone ranked between #50 and #1,000 might be achievable within a year.

The interesting part is that the actual difference in compatibility between the person ranked #1 and someone ranked #100,000 may be incredibly small—perhaps only 0.001%. Yet that tiny difference could theoretically require years of additional effort to achieve.

That is how I think about subliminals: not as something that magically creates a soulmate, but as a long-term optimization process that gradually increases the probability of encountering increasingly compatible partners.

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#200

UPDATE: Development for Heartsong is going well. I must say, the feedback and ideas on this thread were quite helpful. If New Heartsong is successful (and I am confident that it will be), everyone who contributed should applaud each other.

EDIT: There is still time to submit ideas.

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