Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#137

This is what i want to avoid. Wasting time and energy on a person thats not my idealized soulmate, i rather spend that time and energy building something with my soulmate.
Also what if u been with a person for months or years and u suddenly meet someone that feels like a more idealized soulmate what then, just drop the person u already spent a long time with but u still owe to your soul to explore the new connection.

I mean the sub getting you to that point where u naturally feel this person is the most incredible person in the world and u dont want anyone else, its very sweet to me when i see couples say that the person they are with is the most beautiful or incredible one in the world for them and genuinely mean it.

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#138

@SaintSovereign what do you think of WB as a two stager with same principle healing/foundation /physical shifting st1
And st2 manifestation, outer results etc

#139

I agree with everything you said. But there are 8 billion people in the world. What are the odds that your “Soulmate” is living in your hometown? They could be in Timbuktu for all you know. Would the sub bypass potential partners in your general vicinity so that it could manifest that one special person even if they’re on the other side of the globe? I don’t know. Lol.

#140

But its a soulmate /ideal parthner manifestation title not midly compatible parthner in local vicinity title

#142

A long lasting passionate relationship is like two skilled dancers who already know how to stand on their own feet and how to dance solo.

They choose each other not because of a faint promise for that elusive perfect dance to come true or because one needs the other to keep dancing, but because they enjoy the unique rhythm that only the two of them can create and enjoy.

They adjust their steps without losing themselves or stepping on eachothers feet, support each other without clinging, respect the space each one needs to move freely, and refuse to force the other into a photo perfect pose they were never built to hold.

Over time the dance itself becomes more honest, intimate, playful, more alive. That makes it more pleasurable staying on the dance floor, even when the floor turns uneven or the music grows a little plain.

  • Choosing someone deliberately from a place of self-knowledge and deep compatibility, not from loneliness, fixer traps, savior complexes, “who that person could become” or any other form of fantasy.
  • Real love includes freedom, both for yourself and the other person, rather than attachment, possession, or needing someone to complete you. Both are freely choosing to be with eachother.
  • Distinguishing the intense early state of infatuation (“falling in love with the idea of falling in love”, novelty, starvation of affection or even horniness) from the deeper levels of aligment, real connection and genuine love.
  • If you only feel like “more of a person” when with someone and diminished when apart, that points more toward dependency than genuine love.
  • Relationships are processes you actively do, not fixed things you have. Relating is a skill, because it is something you actively do, you can improve it deliberately through better communication, flexibility and humor, rather than waiting for things to magically change or blaming the other person.
  • Relationships should get better over time, actively work on having a better comunication, being playful, seductive and passionate. What both persons are building together feels better than what any of them could build on its own.
  • Rigid ideals of a “perfect” partner almost always lead to disappointment because no real person can match a static mental image. That also makes you judgemental of other people for not matching up to your unreachable standards.
  • Flexibility is accepting that reality will differ from the ideal and adjusting accordingly, this is essential for lasting connection. Be for each other when someone is going through difficult times, love is easy when things are flowing, but its even more important when shit happens.
  • Clear personal boundaries and aligned core values are non-negotiable. If someone its not a match its ok to move on. Real love does not require abandoning your standards, self-respect, or fundamental values to keep the relationship. A healthy couple respect each other’s boundaries (emotional, physical, sexual, etc.) and share enough core values (honesty, respect, kindness, etc.) so that the relationship can improve and blossom.
#143

I know it’s a soulmate title. I’m just painting the picture of finding that special someone in such a vast world of people. I’m just wondering what lengths the sub will go to in order to achieve such a miraculous and serendipitous manifestation.

Finding your soulmate? You’re actual soulmate? That sounds like it would take a while. The sub would have to move so many things around in order for that to happen. The copy of the sub would have to explicitly say, “If you run Heartsong, just know, you are embarking on a journey to find your ONE true partner in life. Not PARTNERS. ONE person. And Heartsong will move mountains in order to find them. Are you ready to find that ONE person in your life? Order now.”

The current copy gives you wiggle room for that manifestation.

It doesn’t really limit the manifestation to your one true soulmate.

Honestly? I think it would be great to have a sub that actually manifested your ONE true Soulmate, and made you ignore everyone else. You make a good point about wasting time and energy on people who wouldn’t ultimately be right for you. Not sure if this is going to be the sub that does that since everyone seems like they want different things.

#144

It would be great if that title does not just appeal to those who beliefe in the one mystical true soulmate. Even Disney fairy tales are not that extreme.

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#145

I do agree that any subliminal that solely puts its success on the opinion and validation of another person is a recipe for reconciliation and disaster

Perhaps the new Rich is a good model for how heart song could be developed

The new Rich is a subliminal that will support you before during and after your wealth journey and makes every day spent on your wealth journey a joy

I agree with all these sentiments that having a soulmate can be a lot of pressure

I wouldn’t want to subject my mind to pure soulmate manifestation

I’d worry about a couple of things… (these are just fears)

  • seeing every romantic/sexual interaction as “the soulmate I’m manifesting” instead of letting it unfold naturally
  • accepting bad fits just because I see myself as “resisting the manifestation” if I don’t get into a relationship with a woman who’s interested in me
  • having recon if i’m trying to manifest a soulmate before I’m ready
  • sometimes the best thing to do is be single for a while to learn how to be happy by yourself before a LTR… I would love to listen to heartsong while in a “single but preparing” season of life and if heartsong was only for manifestation I wouldn’t be able to do that
  • if I broke up with the person that I thought I had manifested, I would be devastated…
  • similarly, if I thought I manifested a soulmate and then started to see the relationship as toxic, instead of leaving it, I might engage in self blame and doubt and think that I need to stay in the toxic relationship because it’s actually my soulmate when it’s not
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#146

Even if we go by saints description in quote u posted its still unlikely u would find someone like that in ur city, we arent talking midly compatible but a whole different level, even if theres multiple people that would be potential ideal parthners thats still extremely rare in a massive world and extremely unlikely u can find locally

#147

Does 1, 5, or a 100 or 1000 soulmates really make a difference in a world of billions of people, you will never meet enough people in a lifetime to know or travel to every place. The kind of ideal parthner we are talking is still extremely rare unless u drop the criteria to decently compatible to make it passing enough

#148

I’m thinking it should maybe go down the lbfh route

First it works on your nervous system and foundation so you can be willing to accept that you are deserving of the right partner

Second it starts to work on the manifestation part

Third (optional) it works on nurturing and growing this relationship once you are with that person

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#149

I salute you. 🫡

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#150

Look at the tagline of Heartsong. “Meet Your Soulmate, Forge Stronger Bonds With Existing Partners Subliminal”

Again. The current Heartsong Isn’t limited to finding you a soulmate. If you were in a relationship with someone who isn’t your soulmate, it’s going to try and fix that relationship.

It’s not limited in finding you that one in a million special someone who lives on another planet. It’s going to do its best based on the options you have in your vicinity. So it doesn’t really matter how rare it is to find a soulmate with the current Heartsong.

Dude, I agree. Why waste time and energy on someone who won’t be your life partner? But that version of Heartsong would have to promise and guarantee finding you that one in a million person. It would have to do butterfly effect level manifestation for that to happen.

There would be one objective.

“Move Heaven and Earth to find your ONE, TRUE Soulmate.”

I love the idea, but it sounds like they’re trying to fix the current version, not double down on the concept of a soulmate.

If they do drop the concept, I think they should definitely reintroduce it in a new sub. Something like “True Love” or “Endless Love” for those who do want to find that one true love.

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#151

I agree. I’m also of the opinion that maybe we have more than one soulmate… Maybe there’s SEVERAL potential soulmates within your vicinity, and this sub will help you to find them, connect with them, and give them the impression that YOU are also their soulmate or at least someone they deeply connect with more than anyone else (or almost anyone else).

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#152

I like this definition and it fits into what I’d look for when running heartsong:

The true meaning of a soulmate is not a magical, effortless savior who completes you, but a companion who mirrors your inner growth, challenges your personal evolution, and commits to building a grounded, shared life with mutual effort.

I think thats a beautiful and succint way of putting it

And really does not need to be more than that

Other ideas:

  • you feel as if you’ve known each other before
  • you feel like you are ‘coming home’ rather than going on a rollercoaster
  • you complement each other (your weaknesses are there strengths and vice versa) but in a way that brings beautiful harmony to the household
  • you push each other
  • your partner grows with you

These are the kinds of things that would make my “heart sing” for someone

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#153

Maybe it can be 2 stager title

#154

Yeah, I think so too

Feels like a lot to cover in just one title

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#155

I mentioned earlier that this is definitely a possibility. If more people like the idea of a two stager, speak up. I’m not too keen on one stage being just “healing” and the other “manifestation.” Rather than “healing,” I’m thinking more “Heartsong: Reforged” (THEMATICALLY), using the Reforged concept of being able to help you develop the inner conditions for this type of romance.

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#156

Heartsong ZPU has the potential to address a key issue surrounding long term relationships.

There’s an unfortunate pattern in the figures of speech we use to describe long-term relationships: ‘locked down,’ ‘tied down,’ ‘settled,’ ‘the old ball and chain,’ and so on. Many of these expressions linguistically associate commitment with confinement, restriction, or loss of freedom.

I’m hoping the new Heartsong can help the user cultivate and reinforce a stronger sense of individuality, freedom, and personal sovereignty within the context of a long term relationship. Where the user (and their partner) feel more fully themselves because of the relationship, rather than less themselves within it.

This could ease many of the fears people have around surrendering themselves to the depths of romantic love Heartsong aims to facilitate. The underlying message could be that deep intimacy doesn’t require the surrender of one’s identity or freedom, and instead two people can become more fully themselves while remaining deeply connected to one another.

@SaintSovereign

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#157

Love this idea.

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