Main Idea Thread -- Godlike Masculinity: The Commander

#48

My impression of the new subliminal season is that titles are meant to be complete in and of themselves, not just stacked anymore.

So hyper dominant aura just for its own sake, isn’t going to get you very far.

Some modules that would work @SaintSovereign

Boss Of Bosses

*With Boss Of Bosses, you’re always the leader of every group, social dynamic, party, function, and even 1-1 relationship that you’re in, even if you’re not the one formally in a position of authority. *

Being your bosses boss doesn’t mean that you give your boss orders and tell him what to do… it just means that you suddenly hold the power of the dynamic, even when following instructions you do so in a way that’s under your control and benefits you more than him. You prove, that no matter what position you’re in, you are the better leader, and everybody knows it’s only a matter of time before you take his job anyway

You don’t have to give orders for everyone to know you’re in charge here. And if it’s appropriate, your boss will secretly look to you for guidance on what to do next.

LeaderSHIP

you’re the captain of your own boat first and foremost - but everyone wants aboard your ship over anyone else’s :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Never A Dull Night Out

Whenever you’re out with friends you captivate the attention of your entire group and take charge. They seem to wait for your every decision. Not only does this elevate your status inside of the group, but it also is visible to those around you, who will find ways to approach your group knowing that that’ll end with them gaining your attention

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#49

I get where you coming from, but it´d still not make sense to tone down the aura.

It´s not GLM, it´s not Ascension, not even Emperor, it´s a unique, specific title for people that can handle it.

A dominant person doesn´t equate a lack of basic social skills.

Asking to make TC “less dominant” is like going into the WB thread and saying “make it less sexual”, or “that´s too much magnetism, please dial it back” lol.

In that case you´d run Wanted, not nerf the Artisan title that´s for advanced users.

Good module ideas tho, I´d love to see those included.

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#50

I´ve thought about what I wrote a bit and realized an important pattern.

When I was a little boy I had a naturally very commanding presence and even a couple of times stood up to and put adults in their place that were abusing their power. While growing up I got repeatedly punished for it.

The official justification was always tied to external status symbols, like their age, their position, their “experience”, their “achievements” in life, money etc.

It didn´t change the fact that I was often right from an objective point of view, and I´ve had many of them admit to it when I got older.

Money or a successfull career doesn´t necessarily make you a good leader.

Designer clothing and luxury cars can´t cover for you.

Age is not a substitute either.

I´d like to see some added scripting that assists in detaching from this kind of brainwashing.

Disrupt the societal script.

@SaintSovereign

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#51

That’s the basis of my idea too.

So it’s not just about acting right.

It’s about convincing people you are right, so that you can “lead” in that instance.

And of course, by being seen as right, and by being seen successfully leading once, being given that “official” leader/commander/authority title

While ASBR works on fame, the idea of being seen as a “master/authority” of your craft is more of HERO trait, since it’s focused on mastery, and Commander could have you seen as a master of leadership in your chosen areas, or just in general

I’m not saying make it less dominant but I am saying make it more focused on leading willingly rather than just barking orders at grunts who wish they weren’t being led by you

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#52

We all have experience being in a new group made of people who don’t really know each other, there is often one person who comes out of the group and lead everyone kind of naturally and most people follow and if some don’t want to follow him at first well at the end they follow him. Some other are lone wolf and won’t follow him. But my point is it happen quite fast that people say to themselves “yep I am going to follow his lead”. It happen in social group, it happen in team meetings, it os a snap jugdgemenr “that this guy will be a”leading us and we follow.” That’s why I feel leading and commanding is kind of just being grounded and having some strong aura or charisma , and being resolute on a direction.

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#53

Couple of thoughts

GLM is great as basis for GLM:TC as nothing is IMO more important for it than an indestructible steely frame. Authority figures, especially if they change their surrounding and dominate, will often be tested. TC should sport a formidable Poker Face, to keep the frame even if not all facts on the ground are known.

It would be good to differentiate between leading and commanding. With the Chosen, Khan and Emperor lines, there are a lot of titles about leading/becoming a leader. “Commanding” should have a narrower focus: To push forward, to give concrete direction, to get things moving on a practical level. Like an external E:E with sharp focus, boundless energy and pushing forward (others).

The neverending push forward itself is IMO an interesting way to Command: People (like mass) are inert, difficult to get moving, but once they are, they will go with the flow. This should be reflected in the rhetoric of TC (some kind of Power Talk variation). I don’t know the English expression for it, but there is a rhetoric figure to formulate with a lot of (in theory still to be discussed) assumptions. If you got Step 1-3 to decide, TC could put Step 3 up for discussion, people joining in would implicitly accept 1 + 2 when weighing 3. It could induce a lot of movement without feeling breathless. This could play well into the aura as well. If people see TC as a mover and shaker and people following him (quite literally as he moves and determines direction and push), they will be more open to go along.

Another aspect for the Power Talk variation would be to mirror the personal language of the opposite: Learning/using their favourite words, metaphors, typical grammar etc which helps a lot to build up rapport.

Regarding the aura: The hyperdominant aura is IMO not central (can be handy though), just one instrument to command. Something similar to the WANTED magnetism would be great, (not sexual, but social, just interpersonal).

A lot of people, especially with insecurities, looking for someone to show them the way. This is something TC aura should be tapping into. It would also IMO click well with the Free Will Scripting.

There should be a “don’t fuck with this guy” vibe (Earthshaker Authority, Fearsome, etc.) but this has to be delicately balanced: Too much and people will just pull away. This too would be the problem with any brute force elements: TC shouldn’t put people in their place (except if they are asking for it) or force them to do something, but build a bridge they want to cross. Again: GLM is a great basis for it.

Another aspect could be something like Absolute Focus Pull: When you talk to someone, you have their undevided attention.

List of touched upon modules:

  • Earthshaker Authority
  • A variation of Fearsome
  • A variation of Locked In, Unstoppable Execution, Endgame Drive and the motivational aspects of AEON.
  • Poker Face
  • A variation of Power Talk
  • A variation of Reality Bubble
  • A variation of Iron Law
  • Absolute Focus Pull
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#54

Linking instead of quoting because every word of this is amazing & I agree

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#55

Question to those who want the “dominance” scripting.

I think I have a gap in my understanding, so please take this as a serious question so I understand where you’re coming from…

What do you want from being “dominant”

I see it as just being more demanding/loud/assertive/confident. Which… is sometimes the right mindset, sometimes not.

Just trying to get a sense of the outcomes you’d like to achieve by being more dominant, because to me, the philosophy that works best is to be “committed to the goal and flexible to the approach” in all things.

Hence why i’m discussing leadership status opposed to leadership-style communication and order-giving directly.

@Guardian

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#56

I think that our idea of being a commander is a little bit biased by wartime movies and military generals portrayed by TV that are extremely strict, yelling, order giving, abrasive, loud and aggressive

I have some issues with that.

First of all, that leadership style might make sense in a leadership structure that requires strict discipline, and immediate acceptance of all orders, because of staffing, limitations, and chains of command. In those structures, a private/underling should never question orders, is never involved in decision-making, probably doesn’t want to be there in the first place, and the commander has so many people under his command that if they don’t immediately obey him, he wants them out of his squadron for his safety, the underling’s safety, and the safety of the other men.

Not to forget that the commander has that level of confidence because his authority is literally protected by law and disagreeing with him is a crime.

If it weren’t a crime, nobody would listen to him at all, because he’s usually ordering you to your death.

Second of all, that type of leadership style doesn’t work well in smaller groups, or wear collaboration is required, or where the risk of treachery is higher. A United States Navy seal commander can certainly trust that even if his men hate him he would still not have to worry about being given up to the enemy… but most other war heroes across history knew that the men he gave orders to could betray him if it meant land, women, resources, safety, or wealth given to him in another country.

This all stems back to the main idea that leaders don’t just give orders, they inspire people to want them to give them orders.

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#57

I think that’s one perspective.

I witnessed dominance without all that, to me dominance is a behavior that doesn’t have to be all that, like the CEO when he enter the room and every body respect him, wait for him to speak and is fascinated by him and follow when he asks.
I mean that my flavor of it

  1. control; authority; rule; supreme influence.
  2. the condition of being dominant, or having the authority to influence or control.
  3. Psychology., the disposition of an individual to assert control in dealing with others.

Imagine someone who has all these without being an asshole like he is not loud or demanding (assertive and confident is not a flaw).

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#58

I had an idea for a central theme that could run through the commander…

Boldness

A commander giving safe orders isn’t seen as favourably as the commander Who’s plan will take some risk to carry out, but if it’s successful will mean victory. The risk makes people hesitate, but it’s his boldness of idea and communication that makes people follow.

Boldness of idea - being able to think of a big move, and asking huge action of those who follow you in exchange for huge reward

Boldness of Communication - taking the bolded route in all things communication. Tactfully but assertively disagreeing with orders that you don’t agree with. Taking the risk that will pay off, but everybody else was too afraid to take. Being bold enough to take charge when everyone is too afraid to. Saying something to a woman that most men would hesitate to say that you say it boldly and with certainty. Assuming that you’re the authority despite being in a room, full of older and more competent and more accomplished gentlemen. Embodying the energy of young Napoleon Bonaparte or Alexander the great. Young and untested but bold and certain.

This idea of boldness is what truly makes commander stackable with and unique from any title.

That alongside the physical shifting scripting, and it’s a one of a kind title. Risk taking, but not like the way it is in Daredevil. More action, leadership, status, and wealth oriented. Confidence, but not in the OG GLM style, or the Emperor style. Much more outward and expectant of others to follow along, and able to make people do so.

Great for seduction, wealth, confidence, personal productivity, even spirituality for those who want to make major moves for their spiritual goals and/or impact a spiritual community.

@SaintSovereign once said that ASBR/Daredevil would be an incredible foundational stack for most people. Commander would be similar to daredevil in this case as it deals with communication, action, risk taking, boldness, like Daredevil does, but is more appropriate for the man who wants to be a leader rather than just influential

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#59

For me, it is all about efficiency and effectiveness.

First of all, more dominance reduces the amount of shit people try throwing at me.

Overall, it makes people to behave better towards me and respect me more.

If you are dominant, they don’t even have the idea to try BS you or trick you and try to exploit you.

Since most people have no integrity and no morals, they usually prey on the weak and will exploit their human fellows.

Hence why dominance is so important.
It is a major shield from people without integrity and morals.

With that, being dominant overall reduces my stress and the amount of energy that I have to invest in order to counter this shit thrown at me.

People don’t throw shit at people whom they respect.
Dominance means commanding this respect!

And also, anything that reduces my stress levels and that reduces the amount of wasted energy and that reduces the impact onto my RESILIENCE BATTERY, is a good thing.

Dominance is what keeps you sane because you have to deal with less shit and stress, because people show themselves from their best side towards you.

The less shitty behavior I have to deal with, the less my resilience battery is drained. The more I can use my resilience battery for actual life challenges and for actual work.

Also, with dominance, I don’t have to explain or justify my decisions or my commands with people.
I tell and they just do.

Because on the other hand, everyone questioning you and you having to still somehow convince them is a such an annoying waste of energy and time.

Especially knowing that most people are clueless about life and need someone who knows stuff, like me, to tell them the way and show what is good for them.

Most people are like little arrogant spoiled brats and children and I don’t want to waste my precious energy and time on trying to convince them.

This is where the dominance comes in and saves the day.

I tell and they just do. Without acting arrogant and respectless.

It is one of the reasons why KHAN works so well on women, because they can sense your dominance and don’t even try to come up with their tests.

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#60

It came to my mind again today and I realized that, for me, it´s about this sense of radical self assurance, which automatically leads to embodying a very dominant mindset and presence.

Whenever I´ve toned down my natural commanding energy/mindset, people treated me with disproportional disrespect. On the flipside, whenever I embrace hyperdominance, as in emotional stability/detachment, presence and acting from knowing, rather than from a frame of thinking/analyzing, not wanting to offend anyone, not only do I feel free to be myself, receive more respect etc. but everybody around me wins.

People viscerally sense it and behave differently. Men and women feel safer, more relaxed, more able to laugh, more able to be themselves, less self-doubts, less nervousness and neurosis.

When I added One Above All and At The Top into a custom with Khan, I saw these effects in less than a week.

Dominance and leadership go hand in hand for me, it´s a form of embodied service/value.

That´s why I feel so opposed to including scripting that goes anywhere near having to “earn” dominance, bc for me it´s a natural attribute that I want to re-embrace in its fullness, both to be a better leader for others, but also for myself, in a sense of hyperdominant self-leadership, which I see intricately linked to full self accountability.

You´ve posted an image of Jocko Willink’s, he pretty much describes what I am trying to convey with the wording “Extreme Ownership”, but applied to not just a learned profession, but our natural ability to lead.

For example, I recognize some of my old wounds in what @JCDenton wrote here.

The desire for dominance to be left alone, to be aknowledged for ones natural intelligence, talents and abilitys that many people are often too ignorant to aknowledge,… I get it bc I´ve been there myself, and I expressed my desire for Fearsome/Fenrir elements in it for a similar reason.

But I also think we can go beyond that.

The level of power one wield should always be equivalent to their sense of (self)responsibility, everything else will inevitably lead to abuse.

I really like the quote of @Skadoosh here in that regard

"These “power” dynamics in society are based on a co-creation where one side is dumbed down.

I find more enrichment in empowering people rather than perpetuating or playing upon their self-perceived lack of power to create my reality.

I believe in win-win situations."

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#61

Ugh, some of it got lost in the editing idk why.

Should suffice tho.

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#62

This is a common misconception, because most of us grew up in some form of fear/survival-based environment, which translates into a whole society that relys on “destroy or get destroyed” scripts, where everybody jumps on every opportunity to get some form of upper hand, every shred of felt power no matter how hollow.

Judging from the posts I´ve read from you on here, you are actually a good counter example.

Your sales-backround, your HoM experience, the way you interact(ed) with a multitide of people on here, the shadow work that is evident in your journals, you consistently adding value by sharing yourself and your views…

You disagreeing with me had me dig deeper, helped me clarify and carve out more precisely the vision I have for my life.

Isn´t that dominance? Isn´t that leadership? Isn´t that taking responsibility? Even virtuos in a sense?

Also, I recognize that the more dominant I become, the more it frees up and holds space for me to treat people more, actually lovingly, with empathy and care, in a way that is sustainable, not just temporary, empty feeding of someones ego.

Authentic leadership in itself is a necessary, valuable and sacred commodity, not a necessary evil.

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#63

The better we flesh out the nuances of ideas like these the better the title will be. Thanks @Guardian

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#64

This.

If PS: Iron Throne ever gets a reimagining PS + TC would probably be the perfect base for it.

#65

Although I see the value in this approach, I hope it doesn’t boil down to relying too heavily on modules when creating the scripting, as the thread is full of great ideas as already mentioned above. I’m sorry, but that’s the impression I got.

I would add Achilles, since when setbacks arise, you transform them into motivation to overcome them, build momentum, and then let it carry you. People can sense that and naturally follow a powerful leader who can do that.

Ardent Light can help you make your intentions (appear, also) pure, selfless, and altruistic, which naturally inspires people to follow you, since you lead for the common good rather than for ulterior motives.

Art of Trust, as to have people align with your vision is to align with it yourself first.

Deep Listening, as you need to be attuned to those you lead.

Electric Stillness, but directed not just at women and not in a sexual way.

Endgame Drive, as people sense and see that you’re someone who gets the work done.

Protector’s Authority, as it turns the vulnerable and weak into your allies instead of making them resent you or try to drag you down.

Timeless Gravitas - “a presence that doesn’t clamor for attention but commands it through calm authority, refined habits, and an inner conviction that needs no outside permission.”

Hegemon, but directed not just at women and not in a sexual way.

Irresistible Relaxation " Women [and men] sense the difference immediately: a man who does not rush, who does not strain, who moves through the world with unshakable composure."

Living Truth, as people are immensely attracted to a man who is truly at one with himself.

Mountain Breaker, as people gladly follow a commander who overcomes himself, knowing they can do the same when following him.

One Purpose but focused on leading people, supported by something that helps communicate that purpose effectively.

Strength of Gentleness, for leading those who respond best to a gentle approach.

Synergy: Primordial Aura

Tyrant, aimed at commanding and shaping the reality you dictate

Visionary and Value Proposition combined, geared towards commanding through conveying your vision and making it appealing to others.

Whispered Power

I didn’t mention the most obvious ones. Moreover, some of them have already been mentioned.

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#66

Good leadership I witnessed is someone who lead multiple people towards his vision goal and everyone follow.

So something like thjs

Where his soldiers or lieutenant come to him for advices and he is so smart he can help them tell them what to do by giving them a perspective they never had. And they feel like ok this guy is the boss because he is so much ahead of us.

And some variation of this

Where the commander/leader doesn’t micro manage but delegate effectively. I would tone down on the coaching part and put it on par with how a Joko Wilkins or a general would do to his lieutenant.

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#67

That’s actually a very good point. An awful lot comes back to storytelling - to describe their way, how they are part of something bigger, why the goal is important etc.

Overall - storytelling is kinda essential for a lot of subs (sales, art, seduction, everything with social elements).