What sorcery is this ? they are bringing back iron throne ?
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The kinky jury is probably still out.
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He’d have God for his father and would never LACK joy.
Hope it’s not the obsession of the number 369.
Is there an estimated release date for this, as well as how light or heavy it will be?
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Idea identified after reading a satsang transcription. Key statement of concept: “All words are given to you by society. Silence, mauna (mana-unmana) is your natural space.”
mana-unmana in this context means the limitless mind, freed from all conceptions or delusions of consciousness.
With respect to the sub, the development of the ability to think in images or concepts that are beyond natural language, or the ability to cultivate a deep silence or inner stillness, would be amazing. Something along the lines of seeking this transcendent silent space beyond and between the thoughts, to allow the mind to open up to its true limitless and unbounded nature.
Incidentally, this is how Mesmer developed or intensified his own natural abilities, through a kind of enforced inner silence that allowed direct interaction with the world via the will without conceptual systems getting stuck in the way.
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Early 2025. Will most likely be dense. You can prepare for it by using something like Limitless, QL, ASBR, Singularity, or anything that promotes abstract thought.
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Bomombini gusini subliminal when?
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I’ve been working on it recently. The script outline is largely finished, the question is just how far we want to take this. It’s become a “love song” for existence – the beauty and the horrors of it all, united as one deep understanding.
… that might be a 'lil too much, tho. Amirite?
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I would prefer detached admiration, if it makes sense to you, chief.
That sounds wonderful
Only question remaining is, if it fits with your vision of Beyond Limitless.
But even if not, it would still be wonderful to get this sub, even if it’s under a different name.
Perhaps it would fit better in the alchemist or Lovebomb line of products.
I’m ready
Not sure, if I understand you correctly, but linking existentialism aspects (especially defining yourself and your world solely through your thoughts and actions) with STEM and abstract thought and maybe following from there a very different angle of manifestion sounds like a marvelous concept!
No idea how one would market something like this though.
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I mean, the subtitle has always been “Into the Wonder.”
You’ve got the right idea. Not quite there (the part about defining yourself through thoughts), but you’re getting the general idea. And since our ethos is based around “practicality,” there will be a strong element of taking those insight and applying them to your everyday life.
Limitless and Quantum Limitless is for the raw cognitive enhancements. Limitless: Mind’s Eye is about visualization and vision. A “Beyond Limitless” would have to include transcendental elements, since it’s “beyond limitless.”
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One interesting aspect would be the creativity concept of “Un-Knowing”. (Not sure how it’s really called in english.)
Basically being able to approach concepts and problems from a non-axiomatic angle, thinking things through from the very beginning, ignoring your own already formed opinions and assumptions for a moment. In a world so fast-changing, especially with AI, axiomatic thinking is IMO a key hurdle for possible innovation.
A Homo Ludens aspect would be great to bring the joy into the concept and it would link up great with non-axiomatic approaches.
EDIT: The whole AI and thinking concepts completely new would be very interesting for e.g. arts and culture (end of postmodernism and what comes after) society (e. g. mobile work with AI in 1-2 years) and the basic exitential questions.
Reflecting on it: With AI questions about human existence are more important than ever. Might seem a bit much right now, but I suspect the concept is just a bit ahead of the curve.
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IMO, the times for me where ZP subs have been able to have the biggest impact has been when they stay away from archetypes and fixed concepts and lean in the direction of unfolding / walking the path, like with the Revelation series, HeO, and to some extent parts of KB. I can’t be sure, but from your response to @TheGreenMan it sounds like these types of reflective-detective perspectives or at least their lessons have been integrated into the new script. If so, that’s a good thing; it seems to me at least until we get to ZPU, adjusting the scripting towards personalizing the path of the sub, self reflection/unfolding/discovery and so on is the best way to ensure the “yin” approach doesn’t veer off track.
So while I’m not quite sure how to interpret the tease on “beauty and horrors”, the more effective or transformative ZP subs I’ve run seem to have come where the idea is taken far enough “into the wonder” to allow the user to orient properly with the concepts that form the structure of the sub without a rigid structure preventing them from meshing with it, and that seems to have happened more on these more ambitious projects. So I’d say, go all out.
Edit: when you think about the qualities of Yin/Yang, this kind of even makes sense to some extent in terms of the softer qualities of yin and the harder qualities of yang as applied to the direction/method of change.
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Well, again it depends on the person. There are times in my own life, for example, where I would prefer a more inner, subjective, spiritual experience like the Revelation titles. Then, there are times – like now – when I would prefer something more structured, with a bit more clear direction than “let life be life, and learn.” Since we’ve already achieved this with Limitless and Quantum Limitless, then climbed the ladder of abstractness with Limitless: Mind’s Eye, stands to reason that “Beyond Limitless,” would climb that ladder even more, and then provide scripting to help the user practically express their insights.
In this manner, we give more options to different types of people with different types of mind. While you may not experience as much insight from Limitless, something like Beyond Limitless would be a game changer. The biggest issue for me is differentiating deeply between Singularity and Into the Wonder. From a positioning standpoint, I think it’s on point.
Exactly. And with the beauty and horrors comment, that was a poetic reference to exactly what you intuited: yin yang, the unity of the opposites, understanding and transcending, etc.
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For sure, and by reflecting here and on my journal about what has worked for me in the past and what hasn’t, I’ve been more thinking in terms of what lessons can be learned from the subs that have their own particular modus operandi, including the use of the unfolding / exploration / journey concept and the “effortless becoming” being structured against a specific goal such as skill development.
What I’ve noticed is that when you’re trying to build or integrate a structure, the strength of that structure is going to depend on how well the subconscious understands the components in relation to the concept of the self. For me running HeO for example, because I have a much stronger understanding of the virtues than other people due to my unique past history/studies, there was a lot less recon or confusion generated in manifesting that structure than there was for example when I ran WB. The journey/exploration aspect of Revelation where it was about clarifying a particular set of concepts with relationship to the greater self through this kind of deep process, feels especially relevant to a paradigm in which you’re trying to “push” a certain reality through yourself, in so far as to say if an idea is core to a sub like nonchalance or dress sense, it’s important not to assume that someone has a deep feeling for those qualities and to get them to explore what those ideas mean for them before trying to build them into what is being expressed.
That might not be feasible to be fully scripted, but I remember you mentioning the idea that ZPU would have more detailed listening instructions and ideas about how to approach working with the subs, so it could be worthwhile to mention as a way to approach working with a sub. Being able to visualise or have an internal sense of what balancing neurotransmitters means to you, how to visualise your “optimum state” or whatever the sub is trying to do does help. I’ve noticed that if I don’t have a clear idea of some nebulous thing in the copy, it doesn’t manifest for me. So the more something can be described in the script in enough rich sensory detail to allow the subconscious to get the idea, the better, rather than assuming it knows what something means.
TLDR, when working on something that is “more structured”, including as much detail in the structure as possible without compromising freedom of expression is a good thing; its easier to work within the ZP paradigm when there’s less gaps to fill in in the pattern you’re pushing out into reality. From the perspective of what you said, “a love song for existence”, that’s a good sign, because I’d rather a song for the subconscious than a dry 500 page technical manual 
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Or it manifests, but since you don’t have a clear idea of it, this may be beyond your perception. I experience this phenomenon all the time…
and I gain a better understanding (clearer ideas of what’s implemented in the scripting) just by experiencing the results. Of course, these are my unique ideas, but I get them nonetheless—all the time. All of that is achieved by interacting with reality—it can’t be done through the mind alone. Perhaps we truly need more air than we think to let subs breathe more fully…
Anyhow, I believe that one day, there will be no more traditional scripting (suggestion/idea-based). Instead, there will be something that works directly with our inborn subconscious structures (yes, we are not clean slates, as many believe), or even certain centers in our brain. This will yield unimaginable results compared to what we’re getting now.
When it comes to the unfolding vs. tool-based approach, I don’t see why they should be separated, as every artist needs both: inspiration and the tools to express their own unique vision through their abilities.
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There are a lot of interesting tidbits in here.
That’s interesting…very interesting.