Main Disc. Thread - Zero Point Custom Build Questions

#1044

@Sub.Zero I’m sorry for your loss - and I am sorry for having other family members that want to take away what belongs to your family… I hope It’ll work out in your favor!

I really like the idea of combining CWON and HOM. Two seemingly opposites sides, but if working together it would cover a lot of ground. Being loving and connected, but also allowing for ruthlessness and shrewdness when required. I think it could potentially be very powerful. And with ZP they would probably mesh together even more fluidly. The modules looks solid too (at least I think so :sweat_smile:)
CWON and HOM looks like a solid combination for that “Head of the Family” -responsibility.
Will you run PCC alongside it for the court-stuff?

Best of luck to you and your family! And if you get the custom, please let is know what it is like! :pray:

On a different note… @Malkuth… if I recall correctly you had plans for a “Custom Paragon” with all kinds of goodies in it right? Did you ever get it? If you did, have you written anything about it yet? :slight_smile:

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#1045

Since there is the option of doing one core and “no module” for the rest of the modules, does this mean that is an option to get the store program just as name embedded?

#1046

Yes, indeed, good @Athanaxos, I got it.

I’ve been playing it since 12 May. And I’m going to play it for one more play period. From 21 June to 11 July.

I call it POOLS of Healing : Thrive. (POOLS for short.) It’s a Terminus2 build ZP custom. It contains the following modules:

Paragon Complete
SPS: Endocrine System
SPS: Reproductive System
A/SPS: Organs
SPS: Respiratory System
SPS: Nervous System
SPS: Skeletal System
Health Codex
Fusion Optimized
Stop Porn and Masturbation
Inner Gasoline
Deep Sleep
A/SPS: Eyesight
SPS: Fat Burn
SPS: Muscular System
Diamond
Prevent Premature Ejaculation
Male Enhancement
SPS: Digestive System
SPS: Integumentary System

I made the unorthodox and possibly risky experiment to include a larger number of physical shifters in one custom.

So far, I’ve been experiencing interesting and good results. Also, if I get anything less than optimal nighttime sleeping hours, I find that I really want to take a nap during the afternoon. It’s hard for me to tell if that’s strictly from the custom, but it seems as plausible as anything else.

I’ve noticed more obvious results from SPS: Fat Burn and SPS: Muscular System. I guess that Deep Sleep has been pretty clear too. It’s possible that SPS: Endocrine System has been contributing to the muscular changes I’ve seen (via testosterone). And I’ve noticed a gradual Male Enhancement effect (though I’m not planning to change my field of employment any time soon). I’ve noticed benefits from SPS: Respiratory System.

I’ve made loose reflections in my journal. But what I’ve written above pretty much captures it.

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#1047

Thank you good @Malkuth for taking the time to answer. I very much appreciate it! :smiley:

How do you feel about your “energetics” or over all energy levels from having run POOLS? Given that you’ve gotten enough sleep, that is?

And what were your thoughts on omitting the Asclepius module when building it? :slight_smile:

Also some general noob questions (they have probably already been answered somewhere?):

  • In what situations would It be useful to go for ZPT or ZPTS instead of just plain ol’ powerful ZP? What’s the benefit?

  • Also - a simple ZP custom with AsC… can I still run that 2-3 times per week, or is it just once per week as per the AsC recommendations?

#1048

My energy felt more or less fine before, I think.

My motivation to exercise definitely has been experiencing definite up-ticks. Fusion Optimized and Inner Gasoline may have had something to do with that. But I’m running Dragon Reborn at the same time, and I think that may mask the effect at times.

This is not a noob question. It’s never truly been answered.

Terminus and Terminus2 are still to this day considered as experimental titles. We don’t have formalized use cases, situations, or criteria for recommending their use.

Some of my clearest Sub Club experiences have been with Terminus builds. But some people get stronger effects from running Standard ZP. It seems to be quite an individualized kind of thing.

Situations where Terminus might be recommended:

  1. You’ve run a particular program or custom for 6-9 months. It has worked great for you and you feel that you’ve ‘plateaued’. You want a stronger push. So you order the same program/custom in Terminus or Terminus2 build.

  2. You get the sense that there’s a kind of thickness to your responses to subliminals. You get results but they’re somewhat muted and seem to take a long time to develop, to mature, or to manifest. So you might try your luck with one of the Terminus builds, the greater narrative density may make a difference.

Those are two of the situations I can think of.

The standalone Ascension Chamber program is built in Terminus2.

But when you order a custom, you are the one who selects the build strength. So I suppose that when you order Ascension Chamber in Standard ZP build, it is built at the same standard ZP strength as all other modules. It, therefore, makes sense to follow the standard listening guidelines.

This one can be easily verified by submitting a support ticket.

EDIT: Oh, one other thing:

Right now, Ascension Chamber is the only available standalone program that is built in Terminus2. That means that it presents an opportunity to see how you might respond to this build strength. Play it and notice if you feel any different from when you’re running your other programs.

This is not a definitive test. It’s likely that Saint and Fire worked hard to make this title smoothly receivable by the average listener, since it’s intended for general use. It’s only 7 minutes long, for example.

It is, nevertheless, Terminus2, and so it’s worth attention if you’re curious about build strengths.

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#1049

I will not be building customs that are overly-dense or difficult to process,

but…

now that I’ve seen this I can’t unsee it.

For my planned Naissance custom (about 4 to 5 weeks away), Chosen: Way of Nature fits so well.

And for my planned Sapiens custom, Chosen is a very good fit.

But each one already has two very key program cores. For Naissance, it’s The Alchemist and Sage Immortal. For Sapiens, it’s Emperor and Quantum Limitless.

Basically non-negotiable.

Well we’ll see how the technology evolves in the future. Also, I figure that if I run these two customs for long enough, I may get to the point where I have internalized them and can modify them.

We shall see.

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#1050

Your mind and these cores are going to be one hell of a combination . :sunglasses:
looking forward to it !

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#1051

what module can help or even remove problems with articulation? I have difficulties with that. is Emperor Voice good for that?

#1052

In my experience, while Ascended Chamber is built on ZP Terminus technology, it feels different than my two core ZPT2 customs. Ascended Chamber is not as smooth for me.

This applies to me ^

I have never experienced immediacy like many here have. It takes time…

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#1053

Can you tell us more about that, please?

Also, how have been your customs working for you so far?

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#1054

I’m not a great example being what’s likely hardgaining :wink:

Ascension Chamber just makes me dizzy. I don’t use it anymore. When it’s completed I’ll try it again. My customs are loaded with manifestation enhancers anyway.

T2 still taking time to manifest for me but I don’t have bad recon. Two T2 customs with two cores each. All alpha and sex related. But not full Sex Monstrosity :laughing:

T2 Customs

Summary

“Force of Nature” ZPT²

01 Alexander’s Play
02 Charisma & Flirting Automatic Mentor/Improver
03 Divine Self-Image
04 Edge of Danger
05 Entranced
06 Ethereal Presence
07 Focused Arousal
08 Gorgeous Manifestor
09 Instant Seduction Tactician
10 Instant Spark
11 Khan ST3 Core
12 Long-Range Seduction
13 Love Without Attachment
14 Mosaic
15 Panther
16 Rogue
17 Sexual Manifestation
18 Temptation
19 WANTED Core
20 Yggdrasil

“Sex God” ZPT²

01 Asclepius
02 DEUS
03 Diamond Core
04 Epigenetics & DNA Modulator
05 Health Codex
06 Male Enhancement
07 Mosaic
08 Omnidimensional
09 Pragya
10 Prevent Premature Ejaculation
11 Sex Mastery X Core
12 Serum X
13 SPS: Cardiovascular System
14 SPS: Endocrine System
15 SPS: Reproductive System

“Dirtier” T²v1

01 Alpha Body Language
02 Approachability Aura
03 Aura of Craving
04 Earthshaker - Sexuality
05 Facial Morphing
06 Godlike Masculinity
07 Gorgeous Manifestor
08 Instant Spark
09 Iron Frame
10 Lion IV
11 Male Enhancement
12 Physicality Shifter - Sexiness
13 Primal Seduction Q Core
14 Rogue
15 Seducer’s Gaze
16 Sensuality & Handsomeness Improver
17 Sexiness Unbound
18 Sexual Manifestation
19 Sex Mastery XQ Core
20 Temptation

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#1055

Your customs look so cool!! You make me excited to make mine lol

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#1056

Thanks. It took a while to figure out the best modules. But I’ll never not want these objectives and I’ve ran variations since QV1 before WANTED and Diamond and Hero modules existed. That’s the value of buying modules- you can keep rebuilding with them!

And as you said before- these alpha subs don’t make you a raging a-hole hahaha

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#1057

That Sex God Custom is TOUGH! So much physical healing there, doesnt it override the sexual cores? What’s your experience with it?

#1058

Perhaps the healing overrides but I wanted synergistic scripting properties that those cores might add.

#1059

@SaintSovereign

Many of us have a listening pattern of 5 or 3 minutes for regular major titles.
Could you please make some official statement that 3 and 5 minutes at any sub’s density is enough for a custom?
Or is it different and 3 to 5 minutes of listening may not be enough depending on the density of the custom?

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#1060

I wonder if the time stamp for full script could possibly vary per title.

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#1061

No custom surpasses 3 minutes

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#1062

Emperor’s Voice and Voice Master are probably the Q-Store modules most directly related to improving articulation and vocal quality.

But remember that when it comes to your development, non-obvious and indirect factors can also have very powerful effects.

For example, if your articulation issues are in part related to tension and anxiety that you hold in your body, then Harmonic Singularity may help a great deal.

Epigenetics and DNA Modulator, Lion IV, and Story Teller are others that could have powerful non-obvious effects.

So get the direct and clearly relevant ones, but also allow your intuition to guide you to other potentially useful modules as well.

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#1063

I am finding that when i add Sphaera Magnetica to my customs i get heavy recon. However aura of craving works like clock work.

I actually did rework a custom to remove Sphaera Magnetica. Wierd eh ?

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