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I experienced the same and I am 100% sure that this is recon that needs to be worked through.

The “WB vs Heartsong” recon is a type of “Quality vs Quantity” recon.

This type of recon says (for me personally):

“I am afraid to show my potential ideal soulmate my true self and being vulneable with her and risk of rejected by her. Therefore, if I cannot have my ideal woman, I will then indulge in a harem that I can control and remain on top of things.”

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You’re likely correct, this may be the answer.

Thing is, heartsong also isn’t much of an attractant for me, I used it with primal while doing daytime seduction.

With khan or WB, girls comply and love me, with heartsong, they don’t like me.

Hence why, I had that reaction of 'f being loyal to one girl’s.

Which likely circles back to what you said, maybe on heartsong, they expect me to be more vulnerable and sincere than on khan or WB, where I can fool around and be dominating.

Also the thoughts I mentioned earlier barely ever come up when using primal solo, khan or WB but always do on heartsong

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Yeah when I ran it for a bit , it was feeling better than love bomb and went straight into healing, don’t know why I did not continue with it

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It genuinely beat the crap out of me the other daylol but I do need it. The other day was rough, like I compared it to one of the “bad” days on DRR.

And that was 1 loop haha

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I’ve gotten pretty good to extraordinary results from pretty much every sub I’ve used. Didn’t really get any results on Heartsong and the recon was so bad (stacked it once with KB and once with Emperor). However, I do fall into the category where I dropped it too quickly when things got very tough, so it might be awesome if a push throgh. Was planning to stack it with OG Wanted when released at some point (if that doesn’t contain too much of a mysterious aura) and then give it a long and fair shot.

Definitely seems that way a lot.

An example of the kind of things HS gets me to think about:

Back in 2007, I was trying like hell to make the Smart Circle “marketing” thing work to make money.

It wasn’t working great. I was also involved in an MLM at the time regarding legal services.

We ended up moving back to Kansas to live at my dad’s place so we could all mutually recoup our finances.

Huge Mistake.

Anyway, my dad and stepmom told me at one point later that the wife had confided in them that she was on the verge of leaving me because I wasn’t “making it work” in terms of money, and felt like I was just slacking off and had no drive. They swore me to secrecy that I’d not tell her they told me that.

Now, they never liked her, so there’s a chance they made that up trying to get us to split.
BUT…I can’t say as I’d blame her for thinking that if she did at the time.

Stepmom has since died, it’s been 18 years ago now that this came up. So I don’t know if she was ACTUALLY on the verge of leaving me. I’m afraid to ask, and with it being almost 20 years ago now, it sorta doesn’t even matter anymore.

HS gets me remembering things like that, though.

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Holy shit man that’s pretty heavy stuff to carry

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Definitely gets me going way back too. Even thinking about this HS stuff got me feeling things. so I’m welcoming it.

Maybe you would liberate yourself by asking her.

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Interestingly enough, I think Phoenix has been the smoothest healing expierence I’ve ran, having ran nearly every title you guys have put out.

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Waking up is painful, dissolving the illusionS one crafted over a lifetime is painful. As they say “The truth shall set you free” but its going to kick your ass first.

I dont know if you entered the stage in which you realize what are the conditions you unconsciously put onto others to be able to love them, or even accept them.
That put me out of the victim mentality I was in when sailing through what you describe and put me on the “evil guy shoes”

Eventually that too broke down and I lost another chain.

Man coming to think about it, that HS is a beast, although I revisited those issues with DRR.

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I’m sad today. Not because of the HS stuff, just life stuff happening today.

But posting what I did, and talking to @TheEmpress in our cave makes me wanna revisit the idea of stacking HS and PCC or WTP long-term to let them mesh.

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Mostly healing for me as well, a little anger sometimes to use as a pick me up fuel. The healing naturally focuses on relationship, heartbreak and do I even believe in that myth of soul mate again.

There’s a slight tug of war of wanting and not wanting, more leaning to yes; but it feels like I have to delude myself to accept it.

Ater a decade of believing that I had it, only to find out I never really did, love only conquers all when it’s just from my side (used to say things like that as a form of “the sun will shine tomorrow” so no need to fuss about whatever) and finally, money won and all the sacrifices, financial, career, dreams, all that I built and gave away just never mattered as long as I couldn’t keep it up the consistency and caliber. Which leads me to go back to the original view of relationship dynamics and humans in general without the 80s pop culture, boombox up the sky and a trail of roses, though those moves would still work.

It’s not rougher than DRs and Phoenix. Phoenix was tougher when it dealt with this pain almost a year ago, it was also deeper but different, without the aim to mend and patch up the heart. Rather a complete ashifying.

After reconciling what HS brings up, I do feel like listened to LB, but instead, it’s like a giddiness and a smoothening of personality, more loving and easy going energy and I do not want to play any Seduction games, one look and we swim in each others’ breath.

My view shifted as well: when I look at a girl I’m trying to sense an energy from their eyes but it’s always the same, a shying away of the eye, a blush or an empty casket – nothing. I did feel the embers and sparks three weeks ago before HS (I’m on it for 4 loops, the rehashing of the old pain is draining me, the guilt of moving on and the Clinging to false hope, the typical symptoms of a long relation withering away and fading like a note in the sky) but I don’t know if it was a simple fluke in that encounter or the charm or she reminded me of someone I used to know; hence why HS is here momentarily until I could see them again.

Every single one and thing within me telling me to focus on laying more bricks in my otherwise ruins of a castle is not helping when my heart wants to sing and my mind wants all them bees, the honey and the wax that comes with that sweet bread. Naturally, I’ll drive with my heart and go straight into a tree, where a beehive will fall over my crashing ride and I’d get stung again :upside_down_face:

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Damn that sounds painful, hope you heal it soon.

Stuff like this is definitely what HS seems to bring out, while at the same time the manifestation side doesn’t seem to show up as much, which almost makes HS feel solely like a healing title rather than a soulmate title with healing.

I guess these memories and triggers are what we need to get through to get to a place where we can attract who we want.

But if we do, I can almost already predict the recon that will come ’ I did all this internal work and healing, would she have even liked me if I didn’t?’.

Don’t even know if these recon thoughts are even justified at this point.

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Yes I definitely realise that I put conditions on others too, it’s just that I become hyper focused when on HS about conditions that WOULD have been put on me before but I have now overcome.

Almost like ’ why were those conditions there before, you would not have liked me if I didn’t overcome them’

I guess this is all a projection of me not really accepting others either (or maybe not accepting myself with those flaws).

Either way, HS is one scary ride lol

This is coming from someone who’s done all stages of OG dragon reborn and Og Khan btw

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Just like how Seduction titles manifest people who share what you have in mind, sexual intercourse, so would HS bring us closer to love and soul mating.

But in there are plenty of fish in the sea seeking the first and they are repeat customers that could be found at any place as well as predesignated places where everyone knows why they’re there, bars and clubs.

Both are of no easy task, but everyone has some sort of game, how effective that game is is another story; but everyone from an early age has been doing one thing or another to fulfill their mating desires. However, not everyone has been thinking ooh I want a soul mate, only one playmate forever, so I will continue truly working on myself and my authenticity and live from my heart. The heart breaks and gets hurt and all that pain is swept under the rug and under hatred and whatever else. But when a girl rejects a guy, the self defense mechanisms are always at play, be it name calling, going after another target, or getting wreckt.

Tldr: soul mate has a hearty weight to it opposed to a mate. The heart has to heal from whatever is lurking before serendipity hits – attracting at the level we are at.

Just my thoughts if it makes sense. Every title worked after all, and they did some crazier things, that’s my explanation.

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HeartSong is smooth butter to me. Deeply softening and loving attitude overall, more than lbfh or lb which go much deeper within the concepts of love and acceptance of differences, etc.

The only downside that I see with this sub is also the upside, great softening and loving open attitude that increases sensitivity to others which might not be a good fit if your personality is already leaning on the yin side.

If you’re a guy leaning towards the hard side of masculinity this sub will do wonders. It’s also great for anyone else to experience emotional softening up and open that heart full of your own treasures.

I personally cannot use it for too long on its own or with only feminine subs without feeling an imbalance in relationships, I melt in others and get mesmerized at the intensity of their unique beauty, ‘too much of a good thing’ situation.

But I wouldn’t change a thing on this sub, it’s exquisite as is.

It worked well in combination with GLM , good balance, listening on different days though, since they’re so different.

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Lol thats stage 3 of the process…

You see the way other people hurt you… release
You see how you have hurt other people… release
You see how you are hurting yourself… release

Then comes stage 4.

Ive done all iterations of DR and almost all healing subs… it never gets any easier for me to run healing subs… but it does goes deeper, well maybe that why it doesnt get easier.

It does turn you into a different person with time and dedication though. Also getting help from other sources when its needed, helping the sub help you.

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You’re tempting me to try another cycle of this lol.

I might in a month or two, I’ll keep this in mind and use HS alongside some kind of releasing and meditation practice to see if I can handle it

Thanks :+1:t2:

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This is true, hence why HS healing is likely much more brutal than other healing for me (even Dragon Reborn), due to how specific it is, which allows it to go deeper

I would love if it emphasized the soulmate piece more.

Edit: or even “ideal partner” “conscious loving partner”

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