Main Disc. Thread - The NEW EoG: True Sell (Now Available! Custom Cores Available!)

@SaintSovereign following to what @Azriel said if you don’t mind expanding on how much and what wealth/lead manifestations ST1 has and the scripting in it would be amazing. I know it’s a technical sub but would be great to know more of the hype/philosophical/manifestation type descriptions/results people can expect like the OG Rich, Stark Black had, etc.

I’ve had amazing results with EoG: True Sell ST1 but I will be completely honest a majority of my results aren’t something the copy page ever mentions it will achieve or at least the way I read it (specifically around the wealth/manifestation which is not really mentioned in ST1 from a non-technical standpoint but 100% is something I’ve seen the most results wise with ST1) so only way to know is for me to either experience or to ask you about it which I’m happy I did because it gave me a lot of clarity around EoG: True Sell and what results to expect.

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I asked this question recently- was told it’s still optimal to stack with RICH if there’s room in the stack. True Sell while focused on producing income- is more skill/sales specific - rather then general wealth/manifestation scripting.

That said - Saint said it would still be a really strong combination. You could probably just update your custom if running stage 1 :man_shrugging:

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Just a note: I’ll try to get to everyone’s questions ASAP. Please remember that @Fire is dealing with a very unexpected emergency and we’re currently assisting him.

We thank everyone for their patience in this matter.

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Take as much time as you need. We can wait

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Of course, wishing you both swift resolution for the highest good in this matter.

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Man this sub is 10000% amazing in B2B. The best results I’ve ever had with True Sell in over a year of using it in the past week especially in B2B. For people wondering if ST1 has everything from the other stages, I know Saint already said it does but I can confirm with my own experience it does. I’ve experienced most if not all of the different objectives from the other stages in ST1 depending on what I’m working on.

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In B2B as well- feels extremely suited for my work. Conversation quality improving, numbers up this week, activity/KPIs are drastically up. Days seem to go by faster- as I’m more engaged with my work.

Made a pivot from stage 1 to stage 2 yesterday- as the company has a pipeline constraint as a whole- and spent time researching the issue and current data- and I believe getting to a proper diagnosis- and plan to work with leadership to implement a solution for it.

I believe this is a result of my stack as a whole (reforged, rich, ts2)- as reforged and rich both have objectives to improve financial and business learning- but my business brain has been on fire recently. Being able to understand my prospects challenges at a deeper level- as well as the challenges at my company.

Prospecting results objectively are improved as well since starting TS. Making more calls, conversations having more positive results, meetings booked all improved- and working on improving our connection rate which I believe is our companies largest constraint.

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What are the listening recommendations? I didn’t see it in the thread about each of the product instructions way back when it was recommended on multi-stage products to listen to one stage daily for 30 days. Just wondering if that’s changed.

Something like stage 2 definitely needs to be in the next Khan variant or romance sub hahah

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Haha I looked at the objectives
TS ST2 + PS or Khan ST3 or WB?

Who’s using EoG: True Sell with C&C?

Would love to hear your guys results with this stack as I’m thinking of testing it out myself.

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Thanks for the update Sub Club. I’ve been waiting for this product.

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This sub impresses me more and more every single day career wise even when talking with executives. Wow!!

Going to try this with Emperor: Crown & Capital and see what results may surface.

@heartmadeiron you have to try it since you asked before if EoG: True Sell may be for you and I think 100% yes.

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Note: This answer is long and some of it is within the context of @Azriel 's specific questions and may not apply to everyone’s situations. You may ask additional questions within the context of your own.

From qOS:

Answer

1. On the copy reading as B2B

That’s an assumption drawn from the copy’s examples, not from the scripting. The script itself is built on universal selling skills, and the page states its scope outright: it addresses the universal mechanics of selling and is not written toward any specific vertical, product type, or market. The named audience — reps, account executives, agency owners, consultants, freelancers, recruiters, founders — is mostly high-ticket relationship selling, not enterprise procurement.

Now run your own B2C list against the actual modules:

  • Fast emotional decisions with less data → The Timing Instinct (reading shifts in questions, tone, urgency and behavior that signal readiness), The Convicted Yes (checking for unresolved doubt before treating the yes as final — which matters most where decisions are emotional and reversible).
  • Shifting language to match the customer → The Instant Bond, The Deep Listen, and Flow State Selling — that last one specifically develops dropping the internal checklist so you can respond to the person in front of you instead of running a script.
  • Tonality as attunement, not projection → Present at the Close (staying with the buyer instead of mentally running to the outcome), The Comfortable Silence (holding space after the ask).
  • The salesperson mattering as much as the product → that is Stage 1’s entire premise. It’s named “building the person the numbers come from.” The whole stage argues the same technique produces different revenue depending on the seller running it. That’s a high-ticket/B2C thesis — enterprise sales is the environment engineered to make the individual seller matter least.

Two fair concessions: The Decision Architecture and Reading the Room use committee/procurement examples, so those two read enterprise. And there is deliberately no urgency/scarcity scripting — Clean Influence goes the other way, making claims defensible enough that buyers stop adding friction.

On the structural point about rapport/discovery sitting in the “prospecting” stage: the stages are organized by where revenue leaks, not by anyone’s sales-process diagram. If The Instant Bond and The Deep Listen live in your close rather than your prospecting, that’s an argument for running Stage 2 — not evidence the program was written for someone else’s model.

2. R.I.C.H. alongside

Not necessary — True Sell is complete on its own and doesn’t require a wealth title to function. But R.I.C.H. is part of the same Ecstasy of Gold line as True Sell, so the two are built to sit together, and in practice they complement rather than overlap: True Sell works the skill-and-behavior layer (what you do in the conversation, the pipeline, the close), R.I.C.H. works the wealth layer directly. You’re already running a True Sell/RICH/NWE custom with results, which is your own evidence that the pairing holds. If stack space is tight, True Sell alone covers the sales performance; add R.I.C.H. when the constraint is wealth rather than selling.

3. Stage 2 with an inbound, marketing-fed pipeline

Only about four of Stage 2’s twenty modules are outbound-message-specific (First Contact, The Hunter’s Ease, Sovereign Outreach, part of The Lead Engine). What’s left that still applies to you:

  • The Qualifier’s Eye — faster, more honest triage of marketing-booked calls, so your hours concentrate on the leads that can actually buy. At 22% close, better input quality is one of your few remaining levers.
  • The Instant Bond / The Deep Listen — faster truth in discovery, which shortens cycles even on inbound.
  • The Referral Loop, The Widening Circle, The Known Name, The Long Cultivation — this is the block that matters most to you: it builds lead flow that doesn’t depend on marketing. You named “way more high quality / high income leads” as your primary constraint; this is the scripting that creates a second lead channel you own.
  • Pipeline Stewardship / The Follow-Up Thread — nothing viable dies between calls.

Honest bottom line: if you only wanted better handling of the calls marketing hands you, Stage 2 would not be your best stage — Stage 3 would. Stage 2 earns its slot for you through the referral/network/reputation block. If that block doesn’t excite you, prioritize elsewhere.

4. Which stage for $300k → $400–500k

Your three levers map cleanly:

  • Selling higher (ASP) → Stage 4: The Price of the Best, The Rising Number, Room for the Big Win (proposing at the scale the opportunity warrants instead of shrinking to what feels familiar).
  • Close % from 22% → Stage 3: The Negotiator’s Frame, The Convicted Yes, The Maybe Pile, Reading the Room.
  • Better leads independent of marketing → Stage 2’s referral block, plus Stage 4’s Inbound Empire and Compounding Name.

Two of your three levers concentrate in Stage 4, and it also carries your outside-income interest (The Stream Builder, Selling the Self, The Channel Opener). Stage 4 is the answer. On your concern about it pulling focus from the current role: The Primary Channel scripts the opposite — extract more from the channel already paying you before diverting effort — and Sovereign Presence: At Scale, The Open Hand, and The Long Fire all act directly on current performance as deal sizes grow. Stage 4 is more supportive of your day job than the “empire” framing suggests.

5. New Wealth Experience

NWE-style technology is present in every stage — the manifestation-through-organic-experience framework runs through the whole title. The standalone NWE Core remains relevant only in the custom context: as a core it processes all wealth-related modules through its framework, which your existing custom already does. You wouldn’t be adding anything the stages lack.

6. Mixing with romance titles

Partially blended, not compartmentalized. The strictly commercial material (pricing, pipeline, retained wealth) stays in its lane. But a meaningful share of Stages 1–3 is composure, attunement, non-attachment, and recovery — Unshakeable, The Ninety-Second Reset, Full Effort Clean Release, The Instant Bond, Present at the Close — and those transfer into romantic dynamics whether you aim them there or not. Stage 4 is the most compartmentalized of the four. No conflict with romance titles in a stack; just expect the composure layer to show up everywhere.

7. “Stages 1–3 feel basic to me” — is that a guide?

Don’t confuse “I already do this” with “there’s nothing left here for me.” Those are different claims, and only the first one is true.

At 22% against a 14% team average, you’re right that Stages 1–3 describe skills you already operate. But conscious competence and subconscious mastery are different depths of the same skill, and these stages work at the second level. Take modules you’d wave off as second nature: you hold your price — but do you hold it identically on the last day of a bad month? You recover from a lost deal — but does the next call get 100% of you, or 95%? You read buyers well — but Flow State Selling is about the checklist disappearing entirely, so the reading happens without spending attention on it. The gap between good and excellent lives in exactly those margins, and at your volume, a margin is worth real money: moving 22% to 26% on your book is tens of thousands a month, and that improvement comes from tightening skills you already “have,” not from acquiring new ones.

The page also says directly that the lists can’t capture the running experience — the titles produce holistic change beyond any list — and your own history backs that up: your results have repeatedly exceeded what the module copy predicted. That pattern will apply to Stages 1–3 just as it did to everything else you’ve run.

So read your reaction accurately: the flat feeling on 1–3 means no urgent deficit, and the ping on Stage 4 means that’s where the growth edge feels alive. Both signals are valid. The practical sequencing answer: run Stage 4 first because that’s where your bottleneck and your resonance both point — but treat Stages 1–3 as refinement tools you return to, not material you’ve outgrown. Elite performers drill fundamentals precisely because they’re elite. If you want to pressure-test the resonance read before buying, there’s a structured way to do that check honestly — ask and I’ll point you to it.

8. Spread-out skills and connective scripting

There is a spine, and you half-spotted it: Sovereign Presence runs through the system deliberately — Power Before the Pitch (St1), Fullness First (St2), The Crucible (St3), At Scale (St4). Same capacity, developed against escalating stakes. Stage 4 also ends with The Legendary Seller, which explicitly integrates the fundamentals from the whole system into default operating behavior rather than techniques you deploy. And each stage is written as a complete title, not a fragment — Stage 1 in particular is a full survey of the craft. So you don’t have to stack all four to avoid a lopsided skill profile — but stacking (or rotating through) the stages over time is how you get both the specific skill work and the full integration arc. For someone maximizing performance rather than fixing a deficit, running them in sequence is the completist route, and 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 compounds smoothest.

9. Stage 4 solo

Yes, you can run it solo, specifically because of who you are. Stage 4 carries the fundamentals as integration (The Legendary Seller, The Universal Seller, Sovereign Presence: At Scale) rather than instruction — it assumes the ability exists and converts it. At your numbers, it demonstrably exists. Expect Stage 4 to hold or improve current performance through Room for the Big Win and The Primary Channel, both of which act on your existing book.

That said, “maintain” isn’t the ceiling. Running it alongside your OG True Sell custom is arguably the stronger configuration — the custom keeps actively sharpening the skill layer while Stage 4 converts it, which is how you pursue excellent rather than preserve good. Just mind the load: three ZP titles is the ceiling, one to two is the working recommendation, and a multi-core custom already counts as dense. Stage 4 + that custom should be treated as your full stack, not a starting point.

10. Private equity capital raising

Your instinct is right, and here’s the precise mapping. Fund raising is long-cycle, trust-driven, network-fed selling where you may either close or hand off to the managing partner:

  • Stage 2 is the working engine for it. The Long Cultivation (relationships that mature over quarters, not weeks — exactly LP timelines), The Widening Circle and The Known Name (deliberately expanding who can know, refer, or introduce you — which is how allocator networks actually work), The Patient Play (not forcing an LP’s timeline because your fund’s close date says so), The Qualifier’s Eye (real check size, real mandate fit, real decision path before you spend months on a prospect).
  • Stage 3 covers the handoff dynamic: The Decision Architecture (who actually approves the commitment — IC, spouse, family office principal), Reading the Room, and Dictating the Pace for structuring the meetings where you bring the managing partner in.
  • Stage 4 supplements exactly as you suspect — if the raise is an outside income stream, The Stream Builder and The Channel Opener script the controlled testing of it, Selling the Self covers pricing your own involvement (placement, brokering, consulting), and The Big Room covers pursuing larger counterparties.

A custom built around Stage 2 + Stage 4 cores for the outside business — brokering, consulting, capital raising — is a sound structure: Stage 2 supplies the relationship-and-network engine the raise runs on, Stage 4 supplies the income-stream and pricing architecture

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@SaintSovereign what about QoS for a EoG: True Sell ST1 + Emperor: Crown and Capital stack? (results to expect in sales)

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IMO this sounds like part of the reason why the old HOM got “better lead manifestation” because people were more open about their resources, problems, and willingness in the initial discovery.

@Azriel

I didn’t see much the last time I tried it, but being an Emperor title I figure it needs some long-term investment. I’ll definitely keep the recommendation in mind when deciding my stack next week

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EDIT: While I agree with qOS, I would also urge you to look into Stage 4 of True Sell. It has similar scripting toward building an empire, without C&C’s very long term focus (which led to recon in many).

From qOS:

Crown and Capital’s own page names the Ecstasy of Gold series among the titles it pairs powerfully with, and the two divide the work cleanly rather than duplicating it. Here’s what to expect in sales terms.

First, something most people miss about this stack

Crown and Capital already contains True Sell scripting. Among its features is True Sell: Execution Steel — a True Sell–derived component built into C&C itself — sitting alongside a cluster of other sales-facing features: Premium Pipeline, Negotiator’s Scepter, and The Attractor.

So this isn’t two unrelated titles hoping to cooperate; C&C was built with a thread of the True Sell line inside it, and running Stage 1 alongside deepens scripting the two already share. That’s part of why the pairing works so cleanly — the stack reinforces one direction instead of splitting into two.

How the two divide the labor

True Sell Stage 1 builds the seller — the person the numbers come from. Confidence that doesn’t rise and fall with any single deal, holding price under pressure, asking directly for the decision, fast recovery from rejection, a consistent daily floor of activity, and follow-through that stops warm opportunities leaking away.

Crown and Capital builds the position you sell from — internal authority, strategic thinking in systems rather than transactions, tiered relationship architecture, and the financial structures that hold what you earn. Its True Sell: Execution Steel component is the bridge: the execution discipline of the sales line expressed inside C&C’s empire framework.

Where they interlock in your actual selling

  • Pricing and negotiation: Stage 1 develops stating a price and letting it stand without flinching; C&C’s Negotiator’s Scepter develops negotiating from calm authority — holding ground without aggression, framing terms clearly, and walking away cleanly when alignment fails. Expect discounting to drop from both directions at once.
  • Pipeline quality: Stage 1 keeps opportunities tracked and moving; C&C’s Premium Pipeline filters for quality early and releases poor-fit connections without friction. Together, a smaller but noticeably better book.
  • How you’re perceived: Stage 1’s Voice of Authority works the delivery; C&C’s presence scripting works the room before you speak. In sales terms, recommendations carry more weight and buyers push back on price less often.
  • Framing value: Stage 1 develops communicating value without hedging; C&C sharpens it further — communicating in outcomes rather than features, positioning what you offer as essential rather than optional.
  • Execution: Stage 1 builds the daily floor of revenue-producing activity; Execution Steel reinforces the same muscle from the C&C side — finishing what is started and building trust through consistent delivery.

The realistic results picture, in rough sequence

Early on, expect the internal shifts first: less need for any single deal, steadier composure when a buyer challenges price, faster resets after a no. That usually shows up in the numbers as fewer reflexive concessions and fewer lost follow-ups before it shows up as bigger wins.

As it develops: more direct asks per week, cleaner qualification, and a gradual repricing of yourself — both titles push toward proposing and charging at the level your results actually support. C&C’s Attractor additionally works the inbound side: projecting the clarity and preparedness that lets aligned opportunities arrive without pursuit.

Longer arc: this stack doesn’t just aim at more closed revenue — C&C’s wealth-architecture scripting (capital focus, treasury protection, scale and ownership thinking) works on what happens to the income after you earn it. Stage 1 raises what you produce; C&C compounds what you keep.

One dependency worth naming: both titles develop capability and positioning, not shortcuts — results track the action you take alongside them. The C&C page’s own guidance fits sales use well: establish the internal authority first, and let results speak before announcing plans.

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This was also why I was saying that True Sell is the title that those in sales were looking for. HoM was always intended for legacy wealth. The fact that it worked well in sales were a happy side effect – not the main goal.

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Noticing this on my end- increased social skills in all interactions (coworkers, friends, dating)- not just sales. Excited to see some of the networking benefits from stage 2. Getting opened a lot more at the gym, walking my dog, just going about my life I’m finding more people randomly strike up conversations, and cold calling/prospecting people have been much more open to chatting in general.

Also since switching to my new stack- Reforged my main sub I’ve been running since release seems to be working a lot smoother. Felt like results started to diminish or become less noticeable, but upon journaling last evening I’ve realized I’ve made a significant amount of progress in the areas I was focused on. Wondering if partially due to running all newer tech stack with TS2, RICH, Reforged- that I’m getting less recon or something.

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