Are either of you interested in this here update?
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I’ve started with stage one alongside my Ascension + true social custom.
This comes at a very good time because I have definitely been burned by this industry, despite being extremely skilled and have been trying to get away from it as much as possible.
Rather than the old ambitions that I had to make as much money as humanly possible, I’ve spent the last few years stuck in a state of dismay, trying to figure out the minimum that I can possibly make just so that I can work as little as possible
If I were to truly love Sales again, my life would be 100 times better and that wasn’t something that I was even willing to acknowledge until I read the copy and listen to my first loop.
And yes, I mean “read the copy” as in even reading the sales page had a positive impact on me, it helped me see my own sales career with a 1000 foot view
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Would you characterize ST4 as having job/inner-circle/opportunity MANIFESTATION? Or is it more skills based scripting relating to worth, beliefs, networking, and drive?
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Ok- you asked a question. I gave an answer based on my 10+ years of sales experience. Every linked in sales guru SDR is also projecting and doing the exact same thing lol.
Edit: Also why I added the IMO- in front of the response, meaning In my opinion…
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This framing alone is a paradigm shift. Why wouldn’t sales people think of themselves as highly as doctors do? The minute you understand that you’re trying to master the very skill that makes the world move, you feel better about the act of selling. This is a very old, honorable and sacred profession that should be approached with careful reverence. It is an honor to sell.
Just this framing makes me want to sell and be a part of that timeless brotherhood.
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The rich ones do, trust me
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I asked the question directly to Saintsoverign. That’s why I tagged only his name. Again like I said, thank you.
I’d say if this was seriously the goal and you wanted to mainly utilize true sell, you combine ST1 & ST2 in a stack together until you are an account executive, then you add in ST3 or replace ST2 with ST3, and then when you become an established account executive and want to use your success as an AE to catapult your career into new opportunities, trade out ST1 for ST4.
Sales Page says you can run them in any order but there is a logical flow to running 1–>2–>3–>4
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Thank you @Jouissance. Those paragraphs under the “Recommended stack order” threw me off because I’m used to multistagers having the 4th stage as the broad and combination of all stages.
From qOS:
What Stage 1 covers financially
Stage 1 is best understood as sales-income scripting rather than general wealth scripting. Almost everything in it works on the person doing the selling: how you communicate value, how you hold a price under pressure, how quickly you recover from a no, whether you ask directly for the decision, and whether you keep a consistent daily floor of revenue-producing activity.
There are two features that touch money more directly. Paid Without Flinching may help you develop comfort stating a number, letting it stand, and receiving payment without signalling that the price is negotiable or embarrassing. The Weekly Number develops the habit of reviewing results alongside the activity that produced them, and it begins — begins — the discipline of retaining part of what you earn.
What Stage 1 does not do is the broader financial work. Reassessing your pricing as your track record grows, proposing at the scale an opportunity warrants, handling large wins with steady judgment, building retained wealth ahead of lifestyle, testing additional income channels — that material lives in Stage 4, The Empire. So if your aim is to maximize sales income, Stage 1 is squarely on target. If your aim extends to what happens to that income once it arrives, Stage 1 is the foundation and Stage 4 is where that thread is developed fully.
On stacking an alpha-oriented title
There is no conflict between True Sell and something like Primal or Khan — they can be run together. The real consideration is where your processing goes, since the recommended maximum is three Zero Point titles at once, with one to two being the sensible working stack for most people.
Primal’s centre of gravity is magnetism, presence and attraction, with a strong romantic and seductive emphasis. Khan is a substantial multi-stage program built around conquest, mastery and romance. Both may develop presence and confidence that carries into a sales conversation. But a meaningful share of their scripting is pointed at romance rather than commerce, and much of what you would be hoping to borrow — a level, unhurried, authoritative delivery, establishing genuine rapport quickly, presenting value without hedging — True Sell already develops directly and in a commercial context. So the incremental gain for your sales number is likely smaller than it appears, while the attention cost is real.
If income is the priority
Two directions I’d suggest considering instead:
Stay inside True Sell and pair Stage 1 with Stage 4 if pricing, deal size, or what you retain is the part that has stopped moving. Running 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 in order tends to be the smoothest route, though every stage stands alone and can be run in any order.
Or pair with a wealth title chosen by what your actual situation calls for. R.I.C.H. is oriented toward income and wealth mindset broadly. A Stark Black Reality is aimed at innovation and building something of your own. Emperor works on authority, status and empire-building, though it also carries a romantic and status dimension alongside the wealth element.
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From qOS:
Stage 1 helps indirectly
A few features touch on it. The First Two Minutes may help you develop trust quickly enough that real budget, timing and decision criteria surface early instead of staying hidden for three meetings. The Second Answer develops the habit of listening one level past the prospect’s first answer, which improves diagnosis and, with it, qualification. The Reputation Asset develops the judgment to recommend what genuinely serves the buyer — including saying when you aren’t the right fit, which is often the fastest way a bad-fit prospect leaves your calendar. And Evidence of Demand works on the anxiety that makes you hold onto weak opportunities in the first place.
That’s real, but it’s a by-product of building the seller. It isn’t the stage built for this problem.
Stage 2 is the one built for it
The Pipeline is where qualification is addressed head-on. The Qualifier’s Eye develops faster, more honest judgment about which conversations can genuinely become business and which should be released early — the specific reluctance it works on is that dropping someone from the pipeline feels like losing progress, when it’s usually recovering time. The Deep Listen and The Instant Bond both aim at getting truthful information sooner, so you can qualify in days rather than weeks. First Contact works on outreach that is specific enough to attract a relevant reply rather than a polite one. The Patient Play and The Timing Instinct help you tell the difference between a prospect who is genuinely on a longer cycle and one who is simply never going to move.
Stage 3 adds one more piece: The Decision Architecture develops the habit of mapping who can actually approve, fund or block a decision before you invest weeks selling to someone who was never able to say yes. A friendly contact with no authority is one of the more expensive forms of time-waster.
One honest point
Tire-kickers are frequently a pipeline-volume symptom rather than a judgment problem. When there is very little behind the current handful of prospects, almost anyone tolerates weak-fit conversations longer than they should, because releasing one feels like it leaves nothing. The Full Pipeline addresses exactly that — the willingness to walk away from bad business tends to arrive once no single prospect has to carry your whole number. If that describes your situation, better qualification alone won’t hold; the volume has to come up alongside it.
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I mean, I guess it’s theoretically possible, but EoG: True Sell is VERY technical. There’s other titles that are better for this goal.
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From qOS:
Straight answer: the new version is more explicitly commercial than the one you’re remembering, so it isn’t a drop-in replacement for a general persuasion or social-skills title. But how much it generalizes varies quite a lot by stage, and there’s a better option for what you’re describing.
What the new scope actually is
The four-stage version is industry-agnostic rather than commerce-agnostic. It’s written for the universal mechanics of selling rather than any particular vertical, product type or market, and it applies equally to quota-carrying roles, agency and consulting work, freelance practice, recruiting and founder-led selling. That’s breadth across commercial contexts. The objectives themselves reference buyers, budget, price, margin, pipeline and revenue throughout — so a share of the scripting has nowhere to land in an academic presentation or a conversation with friends.
That said, a good deal of it isn’t inherently commercial in mechanism
Establishing enough trust early that people tell you what’s actually going on. Listening past someone’s first answer to the real constraint underneath it. A level, unhurried delivery that lets a point land with weight. Making a request plainly and then giving the other person room to answer instead of filling the silence. Saying something once and letting it stand rather than repeating it in search of agreement. Staying present in a conversation instead of running ahead to the outcome. Recovering quickly enough from a no that it doesn’t degrade the next three interactions. None of that stops working because the subject isn’t money — though it is developed in a commercial context, so treat the transfer as a by-product rather than the design.
How it varies by stage
Stage 2 is the broadest socially. It works on initiating contact, writing an opening built around one actual person, establishing genuine rapport quickly, real curiosity in discovery, keeping in useful contact over long stretches, expanding your circle deliberately, and reading whether someone is actually ready to move. Most of that is social behaviour with a commercial frame around it.
Stage 3 is next. Giving a conversation enough structure to reach a decision, tracking the concerns of everyone in the room including the quiet ones, understanding what an objection really means before responding, holding a position calmly under pressure, and being comfortable with silence.
Stage 1 is mixed. It builds the person, which travels well, but it also carries distinctly commercial material around pricing and revenue review.
Stage 4 is the narrowest by some distance — pricing power, income streams, retained wealth, financial judgement at scale, defining what “enough” means. That has little application outside a commercial context.
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What does a sub being technical have to do with using outside its intended use-case? Is it that there’s discrete language going into it that may make it harder to apply outside of an, in this case, career environment?
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Good questions, I am curious on that front as well.id like to use it for general edge in influence, persuasions, and as the old TS copy mentioned “selling yourself”. I think that’s what the first stage is all about, but il wait to see what @SaintSovereign says about that
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Okay guys EoG: True Sell is 100% better than OG True Sell results wise.
I have some feedback on it tho specifically around the sales copy page which I may share later.
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You got results already?
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I always get results fast which is good since it helps to know if I will use a sub long term or not. @ksub
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@SaintSovereign how do you think true sell is for a job interview?
Or would you use something else…
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I think we need a job interview specific major subliminal. Everything from entry level interviews to mid-level/senior to executive. From prep to the closing job offer.
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