Main Disc. Thread - The NEW Ecstasy of Gold (2025 - Now Available!)

You have proven my point. You’ll have to forgive us if we are coming across as agitated. It’s because we are. The complaint (and let’s be real here, subtle accusation) is that the titles are “too similar” and “should be merged.” Those stating this are completely leaving out the fact that – again, using myself as an example – we all have different approaches to “wealth.”

How are you so sure that the “manifestation” scripting is what generated this? You pointed out that “depending on how dialed in I am,” as one of the factors. @Fire and I have a unique ability to understand what’s called “subtext.” When we see someone talking, we can easily discern the subtext of what’s happening. It’s not something we trained – or at least with me – it’s something that is natural to my personality. Embedded within it, it’s simply how I think. And when I hear “depending on how dialed in I am,” it immediately translates to: “How much action I take in a month.”

What you are attributing to some basic “manifestation” script, is actually most likely the active manifestation scripting that’s inherent in all titles. And that scripting is easy to explain: when you take action, enjoy the experience of life and creating a business / establishing career, things will begin to fall into place. The NSE will help bring out those moments in your life on a day to day basis, once you are taking action.

The reliance on “manifestation” scripting that’s designed to “bring money out of thin air” would be extremely inconsistent. You would be basing your business endeavors on happenstance – a very passive position to take.

How are you going to build the foundations of grand wealth on magical thinking? Hence, we provide you with a set of tools that are guaranteed to bring wealth by its very nature. Stage 2: Decoding Customer Desires, Magnetic Marketing Strategies, Data-Driven Wealth. If you pay close attention to our actions, you will see that we were testing these very modules WAY back when we were doing the Zero Point stories and musical singles, testing ideas and branding.

In fact, Value Proposition Crafting – this module led to the testing of various forms of copy, which we will slowly A/B test until we get it right. Monetizing Creativity. That should be a given. Company Culture Creation – think about it. Our company culture is about accepting diversity while honoring individuality. In other words, we decided to unify peoples of differing cultures, religions, political beliefs while respecting their rights as an individual to choose – hence the company’s “neutrality” on these issues.

Or this:

Innovation Hubs
Guides you in creating dynamic spaces that inspire creativity and collaboration, transforming ideas into tangible solutions. Helps you build processes that nurture innovation, encouraging brainstorming, prototyping, and iterative growth. By fostering an environment where diverse perspectives thrive, you unleash the power of collective genius, turning possibility into progress and wealth.

My brother in spirit. You are LITERALLY interacting with this module on the forum right now.

This is one of the modules that led to the creation of our new productivity system, which is actually ROCKING. We’re so in control of what needs to happen next – will literally open so many doors.

This one led me to change my Qigong practice from late night to mid-afternoon, when I’m about to do the most demanding work, as my routine places me in a very deep state of relaxation and clarity. Ironically, I haven’t been able to do this for a couple of a days, and we can clearly see the outflow. Irritation. My mood has changed since I just shut everything down to do an hour of Qigong with @Fire, and now I’m in a deeper state of relaxation. Again, this module helped me see all of this.

We are not about creating parlor tricks. So many people wanna see us make “Kundalini” style titles (you would not believe how many people want us to make titles to “give” them superpowers), and the only thing we ask ourselves is – HOW would we even accomplish this and if we could, why?

Release a title designed to essentially, well – you all know the alleged end results of “Kundalini” – when there’s people claiming not to see the difference between EoG and RICH???

I, for one, will not engage in any business endeavor in which I am not innovating the product or market. That’s why I didn’t do nearly as well in dropshipping as I could’ve. I was making an incredible amount of money just dropshipping stuff from China, but it was ABSOLUTELY BORING.

Money for the sake of money just doesn’t do it for me. People like myself – which there are a lot of people here who are – deserves a wealth title that is geared toward that.

Personally, I don’t want fame scripting, I don’t want romance, and I want all of the wealth scripting to be directed towards building wealth through innovation.We deserve our titles like Nouveau R.I.C.H. Just because an individual has FOMO and can’t decide what path they want to take does not mean that WE somehow lack integrity and are releasing titles that are “too similar.”

I bet I could tag… say @Malkuth , @Jouissance and @ksub (just off the top of my head since I just read posts by them) and gave a little scenario and I bet they could come up with the most perfect stack for that hypothetical person.

Here, everyone can try it: Let’s say that I am… 22 years old. Fresh out of college with a computer science degree, but I’m not really interested in going into Big Tech as a Junior Developer because I have fears of AI replacing that role. I have some savings, enough to start a small online service, but I have no idea what. My interests are coding – even though I don’t want to join a company, I want to use my coding skills to create my own computer. I’m a humanitarian and I want whatever service I make to serve and uplift humanity. Very innovative, would love to disrupt a market, but I am comfortable with Wealth goals are to live very comfortably. No need for millions of dollars, I think $250k/year would be more than enough.

What are his potential stacks?

If the only wealth title we had was some “generic” title with just “wealth scripting” without taking in account the diverse set of people and respecting their walks of life, the only thing this SUPERTITLE would generate is recon, except in a very small subset of people who will approach wealth in a very basic manner because the scripting simply doesn’t fit them.

And so, the answer is and remain – no.

Now, what we CAN do is figure out a manner to further delineate the differences based on scenario and that’s something we’re looking into this year. Some kind of quiz or “stack builder” that lets you put in what you’re looking for an it will return a potential stack for you to post here and get more feedback on.

But, cut down on complexity? I think not. And this is also a call for people to truly evaluate their stacks and see if the titles they’re running should be replaced, or if you even need a title for that AT ALL. We know it’s difficult to have only two titles and that last slot is just open, but self-denial and focus is a talent and a skill that is necessary not just here, but in all walks of life.

I’m planning on reopening my journal soon, and you’ll see that I have pivoted to one title at a time, for a month, then I switch to another, rotating through all three. The first set will probably be RenMan UWX, RenMan Vibes and EoG Stage 3 or 4. This takes patience and focus to achieve, because like everyone else, I will want to fill that stack up. Thing is, what’s best for me, the company, @Fire and the customers is not being in a state of recon, considering the work that we do.

That is a full analysis of the situation and I am taking decisive action toward a particular goal (write a novella, create an album) that I want to achieve this year.

In my opinion, FOMO is a mindkiller. It comes from a place of scarcity and lack of confidence. A person thinks they have to achieve all these things, all at once to actually get anywhere in life, when the fact of the matter is: success is progressive. It will not grow overnight, there is no sub that will turn you into an absolute success overnight. Attempting to rush these things will most certainly end in RECON and a lack of results.

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Yes!!

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ST1 stacked with Revelation of Wealth has been a pretty dope combo so far in my healing/growth of wealth and part of my plan to redo my foundation, this obviously pertaining to wealth part of das foundation. After a cycle or 2 I am planning to go to ST2 for a bit and kinda wanna think ab out a wealth custom, of probably ST 1 and 2 and just make it hella focused on wealth. Probably going to be around 10 modules.

Anyways, so far so good.

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Stack 1: Nouveau RICH + Index Gate (+ potentially CWON because he mentioned being a humanitarian)

Stack 2 : Genesis: Mogul + Index Gate (+ potentially CWON because he mentioned being a humanitarian)

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It’s actually not that difficult if you understand two things:

  1. Precise goals work better than vague ones

  2. You have limited time to achieve your goals

Knowing those two things: I only pick two goals for the year or two things I want to work on. Then I pick the best sub for each case. It’s been over a year that I haven’t run a 3-sub stack.

I don’t care what sub you run, the picture below is true.

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Okay I see some sort of discussion between @Niles and @SaintSovereign … I’ll get to that after.

I have so much fuxxing gratitude for EOG right now I think I might be close to tears, and I’d rather get that all out, and THEN read whatever is going on up there ^

EOG ST2 & ST1

It’s cured a depression that’s stopped me from working in the last 7 months. Right from my first loop of EOG, I was ready and excited to go back to work.

EOG - helped me manifest a literal dream job, selling meditation to burnt out doctors through a jack Kornfield / Tara Brach certified coach … and for those who know me, I’m OBSESSED with Vipassana, have done 14 of their 10-day retreats (5 sat, 9 volunteered)…

EOG - within 5 minutes of the first loop - turned a casual phone call into a collaboration phone call - that turned into me and a friend launching a coaching program around topics I’m passionate about - we’ve already collected close to $500 within 24 hours of launching to close friends, more to come.

My health, mindset, ability to initiate and start things are the best they’ve ever been.

I can feel the singularity/paradox scripting firing in crazy ways that are resulting in my weaknesses and weirdness turning into my strengths and stories.

I feel this year is the most financially motivated AND financially disciplined I’ll be in my whole life, but also that it’s the year that I’ll LOVE my life the most,

AND I just got a voice message from Someone I’ve NEVER met… and they said they saw my resume and have an offer for me to do sales coaching to agency owners, 3hrs a week for 3K-ish/mo in an agency group.

@Monarch @Prioritas @Plutus and a few others know I was once on an offer where I got to coach agency owners and I was happy, fulfilled, it was my calling, so to speak. I got fired from that under the most ridiculous circumstances which is what started my depression.

Seriously, the fact that I got an agency coaching offer OUT OF THE BLUE is shocking to me, I think especially @monarch and @Prioritas wouldn’t think I’m over-exaggerating at all if I said I’m so happy I might cry.

Summary

less than a week into EOG, and I’m selling meditation to doctors, I’m coaching agency owners in sales, I’m motivated and happy every day, I’m running my own program to boot.

I feel like Moses, parting the Red Sea with my manifestation powers.

Doing what I love and doing what makes me rich are becoming the same thing. Wow.

So I am soldsoldsoldsold on how good EOG is.

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I love this bro, I know how happy you were coaching agency owners in the past.

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That’s like asking for Khan but only the sex, not the body language, confidence, alpha characteristics, etc….

Essentially, I think EOG/subs have such an overarching effect that they cover ALL KINDS OF THINGS, including mindset, leadership, skill growth, etc, because what they do is help you accomplish ANYTHING you’ll need to accomplish your goals, including those.

So, don’t worry that they’re obsessing over the small details.

Just start thinking about it as the sales pages not just being a description, but also a road map on what to show your consciousness you want to work on.

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@Azriel @Niles as far as I can tell, the external manifestation is insanely strong.

EOG is still a dense multistager with brand new concepts, don’t forget that. And you guys are skipping stage 1.

Imagine if you were sleeping with 3 new girls every week running primal, then you jumped straight to Khan ST2, ran it for one week, only slept with 2 new girls that week instead of 3, and then said Khan ST2 was a crappy program

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Wait!!!

Khan does that?

I think @Niles and @Azriel mighht be of the money for money’s sake mindset.

I’m definitely more interested in what I’m getting paid to do rather than how much I’m getting paid to do it…

I don’t judge them at all for being of that mindset. Sales is the most incredible opportunity to buckle down and make six figures a year without a college degree or really any education… It’s a meritocracy, not an institution.

If they’re in the stage of life right now, where they’re more interested in money than passion, would revelation of wealth, be a better title for them, or would stages two and three of ecstasy of gold still deliver the most bang for their buck when it comes to sales?

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What are you talking about…? Are you joking or serious?

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Seriously joking?

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5char

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About previous conversations:

To my understanding current EoG update is more focus on aligning your “being”, skills and habits to a Wealthy Person’s.

Which when succesfully done Manifestation of Money and Wealth will be automatically happenning and also for a looong term (Generational Wealth).

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Genesis for purpose and figuring out what he wants to build, Chosen for uplifting humanity, Index Gate because computer science duh

This is a fun game (:

First of all, while this thought-experiment from Saint might look like a question, to me it’s actually an answer.

Look at the way Saint describes the person’s situation and background.

Simply taking the time to breathe, have a deliberate look around, and then describe the primary features of your situation, your desires and motivations, your values is going to lead to an enhanced process both of choosing and running/executing the subliminals.

The person above has many possible options, in my opinions. I would look at his characteristics, his resources, and his obstacles.

His resources are his knowledge base, his credentials, his awareness of his values and passions. His capacity for and interest in innovation.

His main obstacle as I see it is:

It’s just a lack of experience/awareness. Not a bad obstacle at all, in my opinion. He basically just needs to do a search. As soon as he gets a taste of the most workable business structure that fits well with his values and interests, he’ll be up and ready to go. His skills, knowledge, work ethic, and training are already in place.

So he needs to make a grounded exploration; a practical search through the options and possibilities that exist (or can exist) in the market. This means that he’ll need internal equanimity and balance to sustain a proper search (a desperate person jumps to grab the first good-seeming option even if it’s the wrong one). He needs the vision and acumen to perceive and recognize attractive work contexts and to understand how they work. Strong vision will actually also really help with maintaining equanimity out in the market. He needs self-belief, to take his gifts, ideas, and projects seriously even before they are recognized and validated by others.

So a combination of mature, balanced patience, vision, and self-belief are going to be crucial for this 22-year-old. To not be overly influenced by peer pressure and FOMO.

That’s sort of the ‘spiritual’ core of what he needs in my opinion, all in the context of financial business judgment, confidence, and development.

But my final recommendations to him would also have to take into account his personality and personal/interpersonal style and preferences.

I think a lot of people will post their goals on here, but often people do not post their underlying strategy preferences for meeting those goals.

If the above 22-year-old in question were me, I would suggest that he run Revelation of Wealth first.

After that, maybe I’d just keep things simple and use Genesis: Mogul and Stark.

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EoG is really testing my resolve to run single stack RoW.

The above conversation makes me want to jump on St1 so bad…

I mentioned practising assertiveness in an another thread by sticking to a decision. This is one of the rare times I’m really questioning my decision.

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I would argue you just did that! Perception change is IMO the biggest part of manifestation. Your example is (as always) an excellent metaphor for it.

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This is not the case. No agenda here. Just me wanting to know what I consider important product aspects for me.
The main question was whether RICH-like manifestations are also included in the new EoG?
Because you said EoG is aimed at being the “most complete wealth title”, so it would make sense to have quick money manifestations to also be part of it. It is not written in the copy but important for me to know.

Because:

Yes, that is what I was absolutely expecting that this product does too.
Because other titles are already doing that.
Let me give you some examples:

I run RICH ZP V1 or V2 – literally money from unexpected sources manifests:

  • people paying me back more than they should
  • government pays money back
  • I put stuff up for sale for very high prices and it manifests people who buy it
  • I find money bills on the street
  • Seemingly lost customers (in my sales job) suddenly coming back to place their orders
  • I run Khan St 1 ZP V1 – I get a 14k raise at my job
  • etc.

I think with RICH alone I manifested more than 20k over the past 3 years, without lifting a single extra finger and from unexpected sources and circumstances. Zero skills and almost zero extra action were required from my side for this.

So wouldn’t it make sense to have this type of additional manifestation scripting to be also in EoG? That’s what I wanted to know the whole time.

I understand that EoG is focussed on skills, mindset and tools and I wanted to know whether crazy manifestations like RICH are also part of it.
Skills, mindset and tools for the longterm wealth and crazy manifestations are for shortterm daily success and momentum.

Thank you for confirming.

I consider this one of the most important features of the product, therefore yes, I wish it would have been spelled out for me.

By not mentioning this feature, I think you are underselling what this is capable of and also I was not the only one who wanted to know this.
Most other wealth titles had a lot written about manifestations in their product descriptions and with the new EoG copy it was suddenly missing.

I can only speak for myself and for me I do need to be pointed out what a product does and how it is different from similar products.

If an important product feature is not mentioned in the sales copy, then I assume it is not in there.

This has nothing to do with how advanced a product is, but about missing crucial product information in the description.

You are the authors of these titles, so you fully know what is in there, but I think you should not expect every customer to automatically be able to correctly guess all the features of a title if they are not written out.

It is not me who is too dumb to understand something, the Alchemist Singularity copy made perfect sense to me. It is simply that when it is not clearly written there, then it can mean anything and then I don’t want to fill that empty void with my assumptions and projections of what it could mean or not mean. I need to have that clarity please.

Interesting that you mention this, because last week I went back from WB to the original WANTED after realizing that WB is still too advanced for me. This realization came from reading the forum tips here.

Besides results, I am here to shorten my stack.
If RICH-like manifestations are also included in EoG, then I do not need to run 2 titles at the same time.

This was never my question. I never questioned the skills part of the product. I absolutely agree that those new skills will lead to long-term massive wealth.

Since other titles can do that, my question was whether EoG can do this additionally as well. Nothing else was my question.

Yes.
But I think what most people don’t realize is that this “something that you provide” is not limited to tangible products and services.
Value can be created and is being created on so many levels, even on subconscious emotional level ones.
ASBR gave me a lot of realizations about value.

(You can create value for humanity through “invisible” underlying structures and by this have “invisible manifestation channels”, hence how then money can come to you “out of thin air”. This is how “universe conspires for you” type of manifestations happen. It is not just skills and tools, but your subconscious mind orchestrating everything in the background. This “orchestrating” is also able to provide value to others on a subconscious level (!), hence how “the universe” sooner or later “will pay you back” for it (advanced esoteric concept). Value can be created on so many more levels than what people usually think off and currently I am working on leveraging these mechanics.)

As written in Saint’s “V is for Value” guide:

“Experience is value.”

And this is absolutely true in my experience.
The value that you provide is the experiences that you can trigger in others.

Yes. This. Thank you.

Yes. This. Thank you.

Thank you. That means my bank account is not imagining these results and I am not the only one who has had regular “money falling from the sky” events happening.

If this would be the case, I would then simply run both, EoG and RICH.
Just like I do now.
To cover the long-term and short-term.
I want to be rich long-term but also have to eat and live today.

Yes. Also this.

If I walk down the street, the same path I am always walking, and suddenly find a 50 € bill on the ground, then I have manifested it without taking any extra action or any different type of action.
It is a synchronicity.
It is not me suddenly being better in the skill of “finding money on street”.
So manifestations definitely also work without the need to learn new skills.

But as mentioned, I think both are important, the skills and the manifestations.
All I wanted to know is whether I can remove RICH from my stack and just run EoG and still receive those types of manifestations.
Thanks.

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