Main Disc. Thread - Stark ZP

Subs lay the groundwork and orientation in order for your goals to be congruent with your mindset. It also helps strengthen your inner belief system to support your actions. We think therefore we become.

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Whatever do you mean? Stark is not referring to any comic book character – it is named this way because the title is a “stark realization of what you are capable of achieving.”

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no, srsly Disney.

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Can we get Cinderella ZP :slight_smile: ?

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As long as it’s dominant :upside_down_face:

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It could be a german Lehnwort, stark is german for strong.

I had to go back and find the original post, because it’s relevant to the recent discussions (going over the same territory again)

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Hopefully, the arguments in this thread are drawing to a close because I’ve been seeing the Motte & Bailey fallacy being employed here plenty of times by people criticizing Stark to deflect/avoid direct criticism of their “lack of masculinity” claims. Keeping this in mind helps me to know to not engage.

Motte and Bailey 2

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And breath. Anyone else excited that this idea was quickly snuffed out? I sure am, this is easily one of my favorite subs and exactly the support I need for accomplishing my goals. Literally on VC calls every week two months ago. Even more fitting, socially I was talking with a new friend/mentor(currently on his fifth success business) and he inspired me to go another route. Not raising capital right away which was to cover the cost for employees but to get a partner that could accomplish the software development. Then we could have a MVP to go to raise a series A.

Seems like the definition of what this title is design to help accomplish, and proof it works.

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I agree with you on this, @Invictus.

Zp 1 had no Jarvis in my head at all, to the point where I felt normal. Once Zp 1.2 came along, holy sh*t, the voice in my head wouldn’t stop talking, “What do you think about this, blah blah blah!!!?” In my head, I was like, What the fuck is going on here? Oh, maybe it’s the inner voice module in the new ZP’s

I notice it only happens when I double-stack or the day after.

The only reason I don’t like Jarvis in my head is because I can’t stand people telling me what to do.

Q and Qv2’s scripting – to explain the concept in the simplest of terms – “asked questions” rather than presented traditional affirmations. Due to this, the idea generation scripting could express in this manner if the user was very imaginative and had a strong inner voice.

Zero Point’s scripting is drastically different and the idea generation scripting usually expresses as “eureka” moments.

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That explains why :+1:

Huge difference from Qv’s an Zp’s :wink:

I support this, was running stark this year but had to swap it with Emperor because at some point I was caving under pressure. Exams at hand, project submission, my goals, amidst thew chaos i was caving, a bit of resilience would have been needed. When I switched to Emperor I was able to handle the pressure and all but I lost the charisma, the easygoing attitude out there, the social dominance that stark gives and ended up becoming more reclusive, not complaining about that because I needed it for my goals. (My feedback)

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chill bro. Saint and Fire are not children and can decide where to draw their attention to. if they chat with @Tomcat, it means they can let themselves to have a chat with him.

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I’m rarely logged in to the forums, so please feel free to weight the value of my input accordingly. But as a longtime Stark user, this topic is dear to me.

As someone in tech product management, I love Stark for it’s idea generation, clarity of mind, the “wide-angle view”, etc. For a potential upgrade, it would be incredible to increase the dial on 3 things:

  • More groundedness (not aggression, but groundedness), the exact groundedness that is felt from Ascension. A feeling of calm, gratitude, solidity, and a tad slower speech (which makes people listen to you) is the best way I can describe that. That would be amazing in Stark (along with its split laser effect that @Fire described, it’s likability, and charisma).
  • Protection against slander (& libel) i.e. a stronger reputation preservation piece to support the fame & glory. In my experience, the fame worked and brought me close to important people, but there was also significant undermining from other groups (behind my back; could have been resolved if it had been above board). I know PCCs in there, but maybe it’s defensiveness could be bumped up a bit?
  • It makes me a bit too talkative/chatty which undermines persuasion & gravitas at times. I know that this can be consciously guided, but I’m not sure how exactly to consciously guide this (haven’t quited cracked it yet). Note that this is for me and my subconscious processing and expression of the script. But if this input is helpful, and there’s an actionable way to add a situation dependent “toggle”, I’d be super grateful.

Just sharing the voice of one longtime customer as a data point. I definitely understand the creator’s perogative on making the most balanced, and bar-raising product that needs to fit a wide range of users.

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Yes, I have faced the same issue as you and I really wish a deep focus module like Single Point would help.

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Idk about this one, the zen calm of HERO or Khan isnt something I want because Stark naturally has the Joie De Vivre module which would take away from that

I feel excited and ready to tackle on my projects. I dont need to feel calm, I wanna feel amped up which is the feeling it gives me.

Why do people drink coffee and energy drinks? Its not to feel calm its to get that wired feeling so they can tackle on their projects and goals

In terms of Groundedness and more in your frame I completely agree it needs to be more solid in frame and situations such as Slander and Persuasion.

Great points, just I completely disagree on the calmness portion cause there are titles out there that produce that effect however I miss the raw zeal and intensity of Stark the most, its what gives it the edge

I gotta add this too

Stark made me a bit undisciplined and I ended up losing a business on Stark cause I had so many things to do and I needed that discipline and resilience.

So handling the pressure is something that id love to add to it

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I would phrase it a bit differently: when running Stark, I have a harder time prioritizing tasks based on value, start every little task that exists and if not really careful run late with inportant tasks. A bit more ROI in the prioritization process would make a huge difference from my pov.

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YES. This.

I don’t disagree at all. Calm was probably not the best word but the grounded “I got this” feeling that’s always present in any situation with ascension.

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