Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

[heartmadeiron]

That isn’t ZPU, but sounds about right.

[Plutus]

C&C is ZPU lol. @heartmadeiron

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign

C&C has new ZPU adaptive scripting

@heartmadeiron I’m pretty sure it started with C&C and is now included in RICH, RICH Trader and Paragon as well.

[HeroicDragon]

WDB probably as well.

[Plutus]

Saint said WDB is very early early version of it compared after C&C but that’s more in regards to the Adaptive Scripting.

[heartmadeiron]

Doesn’t have full adaptive scripting. Though now I’m wondering about Bro.

[Parsifal]

No It’s not.
RICH and RT are the newest titles and the first titles labeled ZPU Preview.
Even Paragon isn’t in that format yet.
So older titles are in a precursor format to ZPU Preview that aren’t so advanced to earn this label.
Still kinda ZPU preview, but didn’t get that label.

But theres not ZPU title available yet.

Maybe with or after the Revelations.

[Plutus]

Let’s have @SaintSovereign confirm it before coming to conclusions as my question was more so about this:)

@SaintSovereign

Damn. Good job, @Melody . It goes a bit deeper, but yes – this is EXACTLY the idea. You get to choose which features express and which ones don’t through intent. Or, you can use the title as you always have, just listening and taking action. This is why we’re modifying the sales copy. They will serve as “mini-instruction manuals” that allow you to see exactly what tools and skills you can use, then consciously activate them when you like.

@Parsifal not sure why your getting so defensive over a question.

[HeroicDragon]

Thanks, I question if running a title alongside Rich or RTrader carries over.

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign

So, please remain patient. I am confident once we’ve had some breathing space, we’ll be able to upgrade and create even better products. In the mean time, we could really use some good feedback on the latest ZPU titles. And we’re not talking about philosophy and things like that, but rather how it feels, how it helps you express yourself in life. Specifically WDB, C&C, Paragon, R.I.C.H. Trader and R.I.C.H.

@Parsifal literally Saint talked about it 4 days ago about C&C so no need to get defensive

[Parsifal]

@Plutus

not sure why your getting so defensive over a question.

Defensive?
You made a statement (not a question)

@Plutus

C&C is ZPU lol.

that seems wrong to me.

So I shared what the official copy says about the titles. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don’t want people reading a post from an Arch Alchemist getting wrong Ideas and claim the new titles are already ZPU.

Yes, we are closing in on ZPU, but we aren’t there yet. And I don’t care enough to search for Saints post about ZPU Preview.

[Plutus]

@Parsifal

Yes, we are closing in on ZPU, but we aren’t there yet. And I don’t care enough to search for Saints post about ZPU Preview.

So because of your own not caring to read what Saint clearly shared then that makes what I said wrong? That makes zero sense.

What I shared was literally shared by Saint himself lol.

@SaintSovereign

In the mean time, we could really use some good feedback on the latest ZPU titles. And we’re not talking about philosophy and things like that, but rather how it feels, how it helps you express yourself in life. Specifically WDB, C&C, Paragon, R.I.C.H. Trader and R.I.C.H.

I will repost it just you can read it to see what I’m sharing was the official statement

[heartmadeiron]

To be fair, it’s still ZPv2 in the copy and there’s no ZPU discussion in the thread. It’s all above my head at this point.

[Plutus]

Totally but I wasn’t talking about the copy, this whole discussion started when I asked about this:

@Plutus

So basically when running something like Emperor: Crown & Capital we can decide to express only the features about career, sales, etc and not express the ones like tax, investing, etc if we don’t want to cover/take/need action on those aspects. Am I understanding it correctly? @SaintSovereign

I never asked or mentioned that C&C has ZPU Preview in the copy. I was just confirming/checking what Saint said about this quality in C&C and someone misunderstood it as something else.

[Parsifal]

Lol. No. I think you got him wrong.

This is a classic example of an ellipsis in communication. You simplify the interaction by leaving out specific details, assuming that the readers already know what is implied.

​When Saint speaks about ZPU, he doesn’t mention every time that it is still a work in progress and merely a preview of what the final version will achieve. He leaves that out because he expects the community to have that context.

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign

In the mean time, we could really use some good feedback on the latest ZPU titles.

@Parsifal I’m not wasting my time talking to you as this is useless but I’m just putting this statement one more time for other people to see

No one except you said “no you’re wrong for saying ZPU is already in the final stages”. We we’re all talking about the ZPU that is currently in the titles (preview, etc.). Nothing more, nothing less.

[Parsifal]

@Plutus

Totally but I wasn’t talking about the copy, this whole discussion started when I asked about this:

@Plutus

So basically when running something like Emperor: Crown & Capital we can decide to express only the features about career, sales, etc and not express the ones like tax, investing, etc if we don’t want to cover/take/need action on those aspects. Am I understanding it correctly? @SaintSovereign

I never asked or mentioned that C&C has ZPU Preview in the copy.

No. This whole discussion started when you said

@Plutus

C&C is ZPU lol

It was never about certain ZPUish qualities of the current releases (which were more than obviously confirmed by Saint).

It was simply about your statement that “C&C is ZPU”

Why do you think I answered to this specific post?

[SaintSovereign]

C&C is technically ZPv2 with ZPU tech. R.I.C.H. and R.I.C.H. Trader are Zero Point Union Preview. None of them are full-blown ZPU. The distinctions between ZPv2 with ZPU tch and ZPU Preview are murky, since they all contain the same type of scripting.

With Zero Point Union Preview, however, the ZPU tech is more tightly integrated with the script – the same way we’re doing for full blown ZPU. Hence, ZPU Preview. It’s cleaner than saying “ZPv2 with Integrated ZPU tech,” and the such.

And everyone – please refrain from retaliatory flagging and the such. Every time you flag something, we have to manually go in and clear it, taking away precious time for something that isn’t even that big of a deal.

[Benny]

@SaintSovereign
I feel we need more time before we can give feedback on the new titles

If there’s a specific questions you need to ask us it might help to clarify the answer.

WDB - very transparent and authentic, I’ve felt the anti recon script with the new wanted less with WDB. With WDB however I’ve been more me funny and less in my head.

ECC - few loops and nothing much to report just yet. In my experience HOM felt faster acting and I liked HOM a lot. With this one I still don’t know what it’s doing comparing to HOM. Need more time…

Paragon - Very strong acting - headaches and prefrontal cortex pain and pressure which might be brain healing? Not sure. Attracted some way of healing - similar to the old version in the regard, I mean with attracting ways to try to heal oneself.
Not sure if the new paragon is what helping with the No PMO thing.
Need more time… But the headache and then periods of bit more clarity makes me currently think it’s stronger but not easier to use.
That’s why you came with the micro loops thing.

RICH - I have it but don’t want to try it just yet…

Thanks

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign

C&C is technically ZPv2 with ZPU tech. R.I.C.H. and R.I.C.H. Trader are Zero Point Union Preview. None of them are full-blown ZPU. The distinctions between ZPv2 with ZPU tch and ZPU Preview are murky, since they all contain the same type of scripting.

So in that case, is my understanding correct for the question I had about C&C? @SaintSovereign