Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

[Gilligan]

No offense taken. No, I haven’t noticed any physical changes, no attitude changes as of yet. I am also running Khan. I have noticed a dampening of Khan since adding Wanted…
The days I run Khan I feel more confidence. But that’s because I’ve been running Khan for a long period of time.
That’s why I call myself “Slow gainer” and not a “hard gainer”. I make progress, but it’s so slow.

[sid]

Go back read Saint posts about how they script

@SaintSovereign

Our scripts are much more advanced than most of the stuff you find out there. We don’t necessarily have things like “I am now rich.” Instead, our titles are going to challenge your subconscious (and your conscious mind) to discover what’s holding you back from being rich, then urging you to fix that problems / issues. Once you believe you can become rich, you’ll find your external world reorienting around you.

And there is other post where he give an example of this .

[Fractal_Explorer]

I’m wondering if there’s something in WANTED zp you’re having trouble integrating.

[Seeker]

I have already read those posts.

[AlexanderGraves]

@Malkuth

So I think that whether results come quickly or slowly may also be related to the particular title you’re running. Some may be quicker and others slower.

This gets overlooked a lot and it is also my experience. The things that naturally flow with you easier manifest quicker.

As in, if your natural personality is more aligned with the sub, then it flows easier.

And I don’t mean if you already are what the sub is trying to do because I argue the majority of people don’t know or DENY who they TRULY are deep down (I.e. shadow work).

[AlexanderGraves]

@sid

Go back read Saint posts about how they script

@SaintSovereign

Our scripts are much more advanced than most of the stuff you find out there. We don’t necessarily have things like “I am now rich.” Instead, our titles are going to challenge your subconscious (and your conscious mind) to discover what’s holding you back from being rich, then urging you to fix that problems / issues. Once you believe you can become rich, you’ll find your external world reorienting around you.

And there is other post where he give an example of this .

This is about QV2 though. I remember Saint saying that the challenges have been removed from ZP because it creates reality right away.

Not quite sure, but that’s off the top of my head.

[TheDerpinator]

Well said man, some of the best results ive gotten were from subs where i had no idea how well theyd fit me, but once i started running them i realised how perfectly they went with my personality.

Meanwhile some of the ones i thought would be perfect matches seem to not match me to well and have far less of an impact. We actually know so little of ourselves, its kind of insane.

[sid]

Hey @SaintSovereign
This line from a meditation book

“We have already mentioned three basic possibilities of experience
that we might have in our first meditation – “Not much happening,”
“Cosmic bliss!” and “Restlessness.” **All of these are symptoms of **
purification occurring deep within our nervous system”

• can this related to zp in a way ? Especially that you mentioned

@SaintSovereign

For those who are a fan of Dr. Joe Dispenza, remember what he says about brainwave synchronization.

More information on this later. Remember, I said we were discussing on how we can radically transform this industry. We meant it. That goal is still quite some time away, but you’re going to love what we’ve been up to behind the scenes.

• can this (Purification occuring deep within our nervous system) be related to statement like this ?
  

@Deadpool

I have started seeing results from Spartan after my first 21 days and washout.

@Budewr

anyone feeling that its a bit slow for them too

[Budewr]

@Gilligan

@Budewr you and me, are slow gainers. Not to be confused with hard gainers. For me, any progress I make is at a snail’s pace, even with the much loved ZP.
I’ve been running Wanted since Dec.1st, and I haven’t seen any progress as of yet. I’m also running Khan, but I’ve been doing that for many months previous.
My strategy is to keep running Wanted for at least 6 months or more before quitting.

i appreciate your take, but if ascension zp doesnt work so well with me ill let go and go with stark

like @Meng123 said once, he has a friend who doesnt gel with stark no matter how much time he tried to run it he ran it for 6 months i believe. so lets say the results dont show up for me with ascension, its the archetype then. and that you have to find the right sub for you that gels and works with you, and maybe some guy is an ascension typa guy or some guy gels really well with stark and so on

running titles for small gains are really just useless i think, it gets tiring over the time, cause you run it you want something out of it, then you clearly dont see what you want but you keep using them for it to bloom one day or accumulate over the time,

[Budewr]

@AlexanderGraves

As in, if your natural personality is more aligned with the sub, then it flows easier.

yes thats exactly why stark was quick for me and emperor is like a snail for me, even something slower than a snail

maybe everyone should choose whatever fits more theyre personality archetype and what theyre like

although i dont want this to be the truth, since youre choosing subs to improve your weakpoints and crush those areas, so why cant i run one of those titles and still get pretty cool results?

but im open for experimenting with zp, and see maybe its differnet

[AlexanderGraves]

Well you can run them to fix your weak points no problem.

It might just take longer

[Budewr]

or maybe run them both, that would be a nice solution. if they both work great together

and not one title (the weakpoint title) would take so much space in processing that it would block the other title which is easy to run to manfiest

lots of theories i have on mind on why is it happening, couple of solutions that i want to try

ill see how it goes

cheers

[Invictus]

@Budewr

yes thats exactly why stark was quick for me and emperor is like a snail for me, even something slower than a snail

And this is why before the preview started, I said this:

Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental)

I feel like sharing this; I keep reading comments here and there about the ZP subs and keep seeing a constant pattern: People are trying to decide the subs based on what they desire, without really giving it much thought. In fact, everyone I talked to seems to have come to different conclusions about what stacks to run, after they talked to me, than the one they previously proposed or thought about. You guys need to realize something, ZP will change your reality in such a way that you will f…

[TheDerpinator]

You hit the nail on the head with this one. Youre really making me realise ive been choosing my subs somewhat poorly, i really gotta fully commit to writing down what the things holding me back from achieving my goals are, and the steps that would overcome them.

[Budewr]

@Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental)

So my point here is: don’t jump to try out something just because you want girls, those WILL come if you get yourself fully aligned with your goals and become the best version of yourself.

yes,
thats why i moved to titles like ascension or emperor, i knew that i will find friends once i work on my passion and my purpose, and that social skills are important (like from stark) but are not the main attractor to those souls that i desire to have friends with.

i know what archetype i really want and desire and that would improve my life 100000% if it works, like it would literally change everything

but its really tiring and exhausting to lets say run a title for a couple of months and not see the improvements you wanted to see ,

im not talking self sabotage results, of course im not gonna be an emperor within 3 months, but at least i will see the push that lets me know that its working and im progressing how i should be

one of the most things i hate is not seeing progress actually, i think every human has this too, like in the gym for example. i have a small stomach from a surgery ive done -gastric sleeve surgery- when you lift weights you have to eat amounts of macros to build muscle mass, its a must

i sometimes cant eat well enough in a day due to my stomach size, it hurts to eat sometimes , i end up eating for 2 hours or something on a meal , the meal sometimes gets boring you just cant eat it anymore

so when i dont see progress, when im doing effort it equals being un motivated. the fun should be within the process and not suffering and not seeing yourself progress,

so now im not gaining mass or anything, im feeling kinda not excited sometimes to lift weights cause i do the same shit and cant progress so it feels stupid to do the same thing with the same outcome so i have to change the strategy

that brings to me a lovely quote by Einstein :
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

that implies to subs too, like if youre not seeing results and youre still pushing for this title to progress with you, you kinda loose your trust with subs and youre like wtf am i doing? running a title when clearly im not making progress that is actually ideal and realistic ?

[AlexanderGraves]

Thank you for this.

I will reassess my plans according to this.

Stark seems to gel very well so far abs still fix issues.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I pretty much went through this with wanted zp. It’s important to know when a desire to switch comes from a deeper intuition vs reconciliation. Haven’t quite figured that one out yet.

[Gilligan]

I understand. Best of Luck!

[SpikeDaMai]

@SaintSovereign

The way this is going, however, next time we have a technological upgrade, we’ll have to hand pick a group of testers to stick with us through the entire process, because some elements of this is becoming a nightmare.

Saint, I want to take a moment say thanks for letting us try ZP titles out during this preview period. I believe most of us realize that this is a preview and as such is a work in progress.

In management we have a maxim that 90% of the problems are caused by 10% of the people. Most folks just do their jobs as they’ve been tasked with but it’s those small minority that we unfortunately end up spending so much of our time and energy on.

I know that this must be a frustrating process for you and your team, but do know that it’s appreciated by me. I won’t speak for others but I am sure many appreciate not just your effort but also the constant innovation that SC is doing.

Happy Chinese New Year.

[Malkuth]

@Budewr

i know what archetype i really want and desire and that would improve my life 100000% if it works, like it would literally change everything

but its really tiring and exhausting to lets say run a title for a couple of months and not see the improvements you wanted to see ,

I just remembered that I was thinking and writing about this back when the Q store and Custom subliminals were first being established. (That was back in summer 2020. In this supercharged innovation-sphere of Subliminal Club, a year and a half ago is a very long time. )

@Malkuth

I’d say let your actions set the parameters of your subliminal use. What are you going to be doing? This is the big one for me.

Each of us follows idiosyncratic patterns of lifestyle based on our past experiences, temperaments, etc. So two elements that are linked for you, might not be linked for me. A quick way to find your own patterns is to look at What You Do. Another way is to look at what you’re persistently thinking about or paying attention to.

In my personal little system, I call the former category (‘What You Do’): the foundational category.
I call the latter category, ‘What You’re Constantly Thinking About’: the aspirational category.

There can definitely be overlap between those two categories. But generally, I’ll organize my focuses (and hence my subliminals) around Foundational Goals and Aspirational Goals.

As an example, I find it pretty easy and natural to read and think. I find it somewhat natural to engage in some forms of physical exercise. Those are foundational for me. They tend to always just be here. I can organize a subliminal program to have those areas reach an optimal level of function.

On the other hand, wealth, business development, philanthropic activities? I think and care about them, but they don’t come as naturally to me. Action comes more gradually in those areas. They are aspirational. Somewhere I dream of reaching. So, I’m also organizing subliminal programs around those areas. But I expect to be more patient with the results in this second category.

The strategy I embraced was to use one program (or set of programs) from my Foundational categories. With these ‘easier programs’, I could feel the movement. This would satisfy my need for change and help me to be patient.

And to choose another program (set of programs) that were Aspirational. This would keep me moving towards my long-term dreams and visions. They would satisfy my need to be inspired and challenged. And to feel myself growing and evolving in more profound ways.