Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

[Lion]

@SaintSovereign

5 minute version of ZP,

Now that’s an idea for a booster. Might need less scripting in it though.

[TheDerpinator]

@SubliminalUser

I think dragon reborn (especially ZP) would destroy the notion of being a hard gainer.

Ive run DR in its entirity in the past and still def believe im a hardgainer. That said i dont neccessairly think this is a super negative. With ZP at this point “hard gainer” simply means that im not invictus and may need a week or two lmfao.

I think its mostly related, like someone else said, how far away you are from your goals and how your environment reinforces your current archetype. I do believe that you need to make an environment with conscious effort where you can express the sub properly before the sub truly has a chance to truly bloom.

[sid]

• One of important thing is that the children of today are not traumatized like the adults of today. That mean if a child when hit his 18 ,and play that zp or even Qv2 . He will be in execution mode. This is really inspiring .

• did you and fire thought about creating subs for children?! I know it might not be good market regarding the financial aspect. But the technical thing is this can be done (subs for children may be from 12 years old ) ?!!!

[Melior]

@sid

But the technical thing is this can be done (subs for children may be from 12 years old ) ?!!!

I think it’s a very sensible subject because of how plastic a child’s mind is

There will be consecquence, wich ? well who the frick knows, might be hell of good, or hella bad
Ithink the 18 limit is good enough because it’s not that late plus you’ve constructed a healthy resistence to change

[Invictus]

@TheDerpinator

that im not invictus and may need a week or two lmfao.

You shouldn’t compare yourself to anyone man, it’s always you vs you.

You guys think I get fast results, but if I ran emperor right now, then I’ll probably disappear from the forums for a while due to me feeling I’m not getting much from it, why? Because that archetype is completely opposite of me and I won’t really have much to talk about.

It’s as I always tell people here, look deep within you, find that voice inside you that already knows your hidden archetype, and let it guide you.
Just reading the sales page and going “omg that’s such a cool archetype and I’d love to be that way” isn’t going to make you reach your maximum potential.

Like I’ll tell you a list of subs that I know I would do extremely well with (non-ultima);

Daredevil
StarkQ
Primal
SS
PS
PSIT
Chosen
WANTED (duh)
Limitless
QL
EF
Spartan
PCC
Sage
Alchemist
UA
And RM

Do you know why?
Because I have enough self awareness to know what kind of a person I am deep down, and what kind of archetype are dormant within me.

Edit: forgot to add PCC as well

[James]

I think there’s a huge difference between fear in general and irrational fears such as say achondroplasiaphobia (fear of midgets) and coulrophobia (fear of clowns)

[DarkPhilosopher]

@SaintSovereign

I originally used that term for certain individuals who have such resistant personalities that they subconscious block the script.

You should know how often he shakes his head and scolds me for being proud about remaining the unmovable object that the unstoppable sub hits.

Even though I now do prefer the term atypical gainer, I would add that there would be a difference between a “hard” gainer and a “no” gainer. Most people calling themselves the former would not deny something happens, they mostly wish to indicate they don’t experience the same miraculous results that some people describe in their journals.

@Jonathan

I understand, instead of placing the attention on the fear itself, the focus shifts to multiple pathways that empower you along the way. Creating a positive feedback loop that neutralizes the frame of reference which was the root of the fear in the first place. Beautiful!

Most logic-based fears (like approach anxiety or fear of public speaking) exist because they trap us in a logic-trap. They don’t have a valid basis, but through complex logic arguments they confuse us into believe them.

As soon as you prove the opposite, they crumble quite rapidly. It’s why those fears can go away after facing them only a few times. Also why they spike every time you try to prove them wrong, it’s the fear trying to survive.

@James

I think there’s a huge difference between fear in general and irrational fears such as say achondroplasiaphobia (fear of midgets) and coulrophobia (fear of clowns)

JCast, taking every opportunity to bring up smaller-than-average people.

I think these are hardwired, like fear of heights. Some wires in the brain went wrong. They are often overcome through desensitizing the connection to the point where the brain gives up alerting you because you never listen anyway.

I’ll throw arachibutyrophobia in the hat for contention. Anybody can top it with an even odder one?

[DarkPhilosopher]

Fear of the number 13 actually (had to look it up), unless there is such a thing as a triscuit. Turns out there’s also a fear of Friday the 13th.

There is actually a brand of crackers called Triscuit. Go figure.

In that case, I’ll drop Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, which apparently is the fear of long words. Very sad they had to make the word this long…

[James]

Ephebiphobia - Fear of teenagers

[Jonathan]

@DarkPhilosopher

Fear of the number 13 actually (had to look it up), unless there is such a thing as a triscuit. Turns out there’s also a fear of Friday the 13th.

There is actually a brand of crackers called Triscuit. Go figure.

It’s a Friends reference haha, the one where they play Bamboozled

@DarkPhilosopher

In that case, I’ll drop Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, which apparently is the fear of long words. Very sad they had to make the word this long…

I mean… that’s just cruel…

[James]

@DarkPhilosopher

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, which apparently is the fear of long words. Very sad they had to make the word this long…

Now I’m curious if there is a fear of long winded replies?

[James]

Ironically I think most of society has phronemophobia . The fear of thinking

[James]

@DarkPhilosopher

In that case, I’ll drop Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, which apparently is the fear of long words. Very sad they had to make the word this long…

That’s called " irony"

[GoldenTiger]

@DarkPhilosopher

the effects of a sub are so much a deviation of my “normal” that it leaves me no choice but to accept it has to come from an outside force

I am also analyzing constantly Trying to analyze less hahaha

@SubliminalUser

The Higher, unreleased powers of ZP

I would test that I don’t feel too much recon today! Except tiredness…

@SubliminalUser

Lifechargers

Those could be pretty strong to replace the old “quick action” effect. Supercharging your results!

[Pyro]

@DarkPhilosopher @James the funniest (sorry but I couldn’t stop laughing when I heard it) phobia I heard this week about is Anatidaephobia which is the irrational fear that somewhere, a duck is watching you.

[James]

@DarkPhilosopher I sent a support ticket and sent Saint a PM offering to test Dragon Reborn ZP

[DarkPhilosopher]

@Lion

But seriously, did you consider that your attitude towards the subliminal not having an effect on you could be a form of recon?

You tell me. Take a purely hypothetical situation where some idiot runs Wanted ZP 20 hours on a loop without so much of a headache, mood swing or loss of focus at work. Then said idiot sits back at the end of the day and reflects, not noticing anything out of the ordinary except his ears still thinking they hear bubbling water somewhere. He’s not particularly tired, hungry or thirsty.

This is an observation made as objective as possible, analyzing every conversation, sensation and feedback throughput the day, on a day filled with meetings. An observation which keeps in mind that there was a subliminal running and pays particular attention to the reported effects of said subliminal.

The next day the idiot takes a rest day and registers no notable change to the day before. Then he goes back to the recommended schedule and continues to observe no significant spike up to a week later.

Did he miss something? Might there be something he’s blocking himself from seeing even though his friends and colleagues made no indication that he was behaving differently throughout the day?

In the end it is still possible to have missed something that could have been seen in a closed-room clinical study or if the experiment was extended for much longer, but it is a reasonably solid experiment I would think.

@Lion

Okay forget recon. Maybe you don’t get recon. But you might be getting results but you are not attributing it to the subliminal and hence why SaintSovereign is getting annoyed.

Oh, definitely. He probably won’t like it if I devote one more post to this as well.

I do actively try to attribute everything to a sub though. Every time something slightly out of the ordinary happens I think to myself if I can attribute it to a subliminal I am or was listening to. I see no harm and only gains from having the belief that it was indeed caused by the subliminal.

More than that I don’t think I can do. One of the reasons why I became less active on the forum is actually because I became a bit depressed every time I read about the amazing results people got. It makes me feel so helpless. I’m not used to not knowing how to overcome a challenge. There’s always something which can be done. But now, the next step is unclear to me.

@Invictus

this line of yours really resonates with me, hence the reason I always tried to experiment so much with different kinds of drugs (tried most of them in a span of 2 years, excluding hardcore stuff like meth, heroin, krokodil, etc.), different principles of training, different types of hobbies (from music, all the way to knitting).

in fact, that’s how I discovered how easily I can use the Raikov Effect (yes, like the Q module) to copy any trait, habit, and even talent (to some degree; used to learn magic by watching magicians perform) by just observing and “copying”, then adapting to my style.

I have total and absolute respect for my body and mind, so I do draw the line at harmful things. I have done psychedelics under the supervision of a person who was also a health coach and actually mixed vitamins and helpful herbs into the teas before and after and promoted healthy habits and diet in addition to the shrooms.

I also do my best to not overtax my body both with pleasure eating and exercise, having become very sensitive to what it does to me and how it affects me (sometimes it’s like my body (and even mind) communicates to me how something is affecting it, which may sound weird but I guess I’m just very in touch with myself).

So no truly crazy stuff for me, and other things very gradually.

I’m intrigued by the whole Raikov thing though. I can do most things I have seen another do, but traits and habits not so much.

@Pyro

the irrational fear that somewhere, a duck is watching you

Okay, I’m giving you the win. Although posting that picture knowing that this exists is cruel.

@James

I sent a support ticket and sent Saint a PM offering to test Dragon Reborn ZP

You should know that Saint is still waiting for a sufficient variety of people’s journals with the current ZP Previews. Until he has those, requesting more will annoy him a bit. Quickly forgotten of course, but it will still poke him in the virtual ribs a bit.

Which includes me asking him for AM.

He may or may not even have some ZP scripts for other subs ready but won’t produce them yet until those results come in.

[Hoppa]

@SaintSovereign

I was thinking of writing an article about this today.

A lot of the hard gainers are engaging in a bit of intellectual dishonesty in regards to results. They’ll convince themselves that small results “could’ve happened without the sub,” which pretty much amounts to a conscious, willing shutdown of what the sub is trying to help you achieve.

If something happens that hasn’t happened in awhile, and it’s related to the sub’s end goal, it was the sub.

Now watch as people now redefine what “related to the sub’s goal “ means.

This one here does not apply to me. I credit most of the “weird coincidences” to subs. I say most, because I don’t do that with negative stuff.

Edit: There is minimal negative stuff anyway. And as I said, not because of the subs. Just because of life.

[Hoppa]

@ksub

I feel like people are overdoing that hard gainer stuff. I said it multiple times on this forum. It took me close to 2 years to see the obvious effects of Emperor. Am I a hard gainer? Nope! I’m just a guy who was the complete opposite of what the sub was trying to achieve. I was the furthest thing (in my opinion) of the goals that sub could create. The sub was working but at very deep levels that I couldn’t consciously be aware of. I could have thrown my hands in the air, call myself a hard gainer and quit.
It really depends on the sub you’re using, the goals that you have and how consistent you are. Ascended Mogul had fast and deep effects on me. Rebirth had very fast and intense effects. Emperor took a long time.
Be kind to yourselves, people! Some subs will work fast, some will work slow. Just follow the instructions and stay consistent.

I politely disagree. I’m one of those “hard gainers”. I don’t feel anything on the subs. The ZP shift or whatever it is, don’t feel it.

However, I know I’ve gotten (great) results from the subs. I was pretty aligned with EoG and business type subs before I came here. But SC subs did unlock something in me. After I stubbornly stuck with the subs, without seeing any kind of results. I just decided that these things are having an effect on me. Blind fate, kinda.

Edit again: Don’t “feel” like the more sensitive people here. Dreams, yes. It’s my goto sign for these subs having any effect on me. ZP brought me the dreams after a single loop in the beginning. Not anymore.

Do I doubt the ZP subs? No. I will get the results. Just might take some time.

[Hoppa]

@Invictus

Or lack the necessary foundation, I mean, let’s be honest, how many people have actually run ascension or AM for at least 3-6 months before hopping on big programs like Emperor

Naah…

I’m one of those hard gainers. I bulldozed through all the doubt.

I had been working on the foundation for years before I found SC.

Once EoG was released, I listened to it 24/7 on set and forget. Didn’t feel anything. Then one day, something unlocked inside me and the business just took off.