Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

Hard gainer - from how we use it in the bodybuilding world - refers to those who barely get results and need to do “more”.

The part I quoted shows more that you didn’t “more” in terms of exposure, but more time, duration doesn’t mean it’s hard for you to get results, it’s just a delayed response.

While I’m not discarding your view, and I actually do agree that yes, some people actually would be considered hard gainers and have extra subconscious resistances, but those type of people would lose the label once they do get the results.

I mean, don’t you think that now you’re an easy gainer in terms of wealth related subs? Especially EOG?

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Nope. Still the same.

The thing is, I’m stubborn as hell. If someone tells me to do something, I won’t, out of spite. Even if I know it would be good for me.

It annoys me to no end, I know it happens, and it still does. I’ve had to build up these walls. Due to where I was brought up.

Edit: After thinking about it for a while… I listen to these subs based on blind belief. I envy all the people like you @Invictus because I don’t feel anything. Now even the dreams have gone away. You people feel tiny changes in yourself. Like mood changes etc. I don’t.

I’ve developed my self awareness for way over 10 years. Most of the time I’m aware of how I feel. But still can’t see any changes from the subs.

I don’t doubt the results. I know I will get them. But most of the time I will just notice that something has changed months later. That’s when I try to remember how I was before. And I realise that I can’t. It’s like I always was like this (regarding the changes).

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I did the exact same thing with Dragon Reborn

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So since I’ve started using ZP files I’ve started to receive spam texts specifically relevant to titles in my stack. Not immediately but usually 12-18 hours after the last loop of the related track. Anyone else noticed something like this? There are no coincidences, but that doesn’t preclude clever marketing schemes.

We don’t engage in marketing “schemes,” nor do we send texts, nor do we sell or allow access to any kind of customer data. Sooo, that’s some kind of crazy manifestations going on there.

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this has happened to me as well

Not throwing shade at anyone here at SC (i know its not your doing)

I get impatient and depressed myself but I realize that consistency is the remedy for that . I often forget that wanting to always change subs or coming up with different stack combinations is a form of recon

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I think it’s definitely harder with all this when you’re already in a bit of a hole in life and trying to dig yourself out vs someone actively improving an already pretty established life.

I admit there’s a sense of desperation for wanting this stuff to work for me because I feel like there really is nothing else out there. So I do lean on these subs a lot to help correct my life. Depression and hopelessness can definitely arise for me when my expectations for myself don’t match my actual actions in life. I try to remind myself of what actions I’d take and work I’d do if I didn’t have these in my life. That way I’m not hanging onto seeing results from the sub as much.

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Does the ZP Primer of one title has an effect on another non ZP title you are running? Basically what I am asking, does running a ZP title no matter which one „upgrade“ your WHOLE stack almost to ZP technology because the ZP Primer is „swapping“ over? When running a Qv2 custom, does stacking it with a ZP title make the custom even more powerful to the point where it would be almost like a custom with ZP technology?

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I disagree on this point. When I started playing QV1 back in january I was on a 4/2 schedule. Four days on, and two days off. I was only playing two subs. Each ONLY ONE LOOP.
if Anything, I played slightly less than what was recommended. Stonewalling was one of my primary concerns. Stonewallling can occur if you play something too often where the mind begins to stop listening to what is being said. That’s why I was always careful about rest days, and the amount of loops I would played.
Slow gainer as used by me and others doesn’t mean no gainer. We were making progress, but not as quickly as what we wanted too. Stonewalling means becoming a no gainer. You make zero gains once you begin doing it, unless you change your listening schedule…

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I do feel that my Qv2 Custom with AM, Stark, RICH Crypto Cores is stronger in the stack with RICH + CHOSEN QZP.

Effects wise, I would not know. Too early to say for me. Recon periods seem shorter.

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Yes there is an effect and a form of upgradation. But by how much, is hard to tell.

But ZP does elevate a Qv2 Custom when they are part of a stack VS no elevation when the Qv2 Custom is played by itself.

This is one of the reasons why the Private Testing and the Public Preview Testing is there for. To see the effects of mixing a ZP title and a Qv2 Custom in a stack.

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All of the talk about hardgainers and atypical gainers actually brought a thought and some questions to my mind.

Long Reflection That Can Be Summed Up In the One Sentence:

At some point (late teens to early twenties), I finally observed that I had a particular pace and cycle to how I best learned information and integrated skills. There tends to be a longer period of processing at the beginning, as I internally reflect and attack the concept or activity from many different directions. This tends to make me slower at the beginning. I’m not content to simply internalize what I’ve been told. My brain wants to keep questioning it. “Squeezing the fruit”. Sniffing at it and comparing it to what I’ve seen before.

When I studied Chinese as a young man, I was not in the top of my class in the first year, but I was closer to the top in the third year. I did okay in the first year from a purely auditory standpoint. The sounds made sense and I could reproduce them accurately. But as far as integrating all of it into a coherent, competent whole, that was definitely going to be a longer process.

As a student, I almost always found that the ‘semester’ did not give me enough time to feel that I’d actually become comfortable with a subject. I joked that my brain worked by ‘Farmer Time’. I needed at least a year to get a feel for the whole cycle, Spring to Summer to Autumn to Winter and back to Spring. Then another year to start interacting with that cycle. Finally, in the third year, I was comfortable to relax with it and work with it in the easy, competent way that my peers had been doing much earlier.

I don’t tend to develop trust in an idea until I’ve driven around in it and walked around with it for a few seasons.

So, that’s my personal style.

Here’s the thing:

((Warning astrology follows))

Years later, I learned that in my birth chart, Mercury is placed in Taurus.

Mercury is the planet that embodies mental processing, processing of experiences, communication of ideas and information. It’s how we learn; how we incorporate and integrate information. And also how we teach.

When I learned about the implications of Mercury in Taurus, it fit very well with what I had observed about myself through my past experiences. (Taurus is literally the stable, stolid farmer. The bull, the elephant, the gorilla. Does things at its own pace, and tends to be deliberate and to luxuriate in process.)

I’m not always slow, but I’ve come to appreciate that this style is one common feature of my Learning and Processing orientation. What it sacrifices in speed at the beginning, it more than compensates for with enhanced solidity, nuance, and thoroughness if I can but stay with the process long enough for it to bear fruit.

Long story short: I think that the archetypes of astrology may be helpful in conceptualizing the different styles in which people respond to and integrate subliminals. This is, in the end, a variety of Learning.

It would be interesting to see how the placement (and aspects) of Mercury might correspond to our various styles of working with the programs.

And since this has ended up being so astrological, I’ll link over to the Astrology thread for anyone who wants to discuss more on that side of things.

Astrology and Healing: Limitations and Wounds - #18 by Malkuth

But as to the more general, non-astrological point:

There may be a great variety of diverse styles, processes, sequences and “Seasons” in how various individuals respond to these subliminal programs.

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Exactly. In conclusion, some results are slow while other results are fast. That’s not in our control.

What’s in our control is to listen to the subliminals by following listening recommendations, take action and journal.

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For a long time now, I’ve used my Youtube feed to gauge the effects of my subliminal stack.

Not only is the algorithm affected by my mind, … where the attention of my RAS goes – meaning the channel/type of videos I prefer to watch – changes significantly based on what I play.

:slightly_smiling_face:

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You know, it’s interesting. After dragon reborn and even more after testing ZP, I just have a strong feeling—a knowing even—that I’m going to succeed in every area of my life the way I want to succeed. There’s a lot I could write here, but I should sleep.

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Just to be clear, I never suspected my info was being sold. It’s likely just wacky manifestations.” 5G Male! “ indeed.

Edit: the real question is, did I manifest some actually functional products and “prize opportunities”

is there a reason all 3 versions of Primal Seduction received Primal Seduction ZP but owners of Beyond Limitless Ultima did NOT receive Limitless ZP?

Probably because Beyond Limitless and Limitless are two different titles altogether. One is not a different version of the other.

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Beyond Limitless and Limitless are completely separate products

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