Hi Saint, I read this in the support section. What about the remaining 25%? What was their result in the end?
Zero Point is the first build we’ve tested that can breakthrough the mental defenses stonewallers have thrown up. In our tests, 75% of the stonewallers who tried a ZP title indicated that they could feel the effects and got results, although the chance for recon was a bit higher for these individuals. This means that we’re one step closer to figuring out what causes stonewalling and how to make titles that can help fuel positive change in those who experience it.
The term hard gainer, or even slow gainer is relative. Some people have achieved impressive results with subs in as little as 3 to 4 months. Compared to them, you are either a slow gainer, or hard gainer.
If it took the average person 2 years to see impressive results, then we can say that’s the norm. But we’re not. We’re seeing people achieving impressive results in a matter of months.
Very true. Some people will limit themselves by such thoughts. I hope that’s the case with me. My slow gaining started way before I heard it expressed on this forum.
I started listening to subs early january.
One of the two subs I was listening to, was PSITU which is a fast acting seduction type ultima.
I listened to it for three months, with very little to show for it
Just to be clear, slow gainer doesn’t mean no gains. It just means that the progress is very slow. If I had stuck to it long enough, hopefully I would’ve seen impressive results. It just seems to take me longer to make headway on these subs than the average person.
Fun fact, it was the first sub I bought and then refunded because I didn’t see anything from it, then Wanted came along and made me realize that I’m not a seducer, but the one who should be seduced
But to add on to that, being a slow gainer or hard gainer is also “subliminal dependent”, just because you’re slow to get results from PSITU, doesn’t mean you are going to be slow with everything else.
This goes back to what I posted before the preview started;
People aren’t really trying to figure out their true archetypes and desires, but instead just playing the sub they see as “wow, this is nice” because of factors such as envy and lack of self-awareness.
That’s why I started the thread about writing down the goals, it will help people decide their stacks better, and really question themselves about why they’re using the subs they’re stacking right now.
You could very well be right on that point. I’m currently running Khan. My progress continues to be very slow. Khan is very different than who I am. But, it’s something I’m very committed to achieving. I plan on sticking with it for a long time. Unless, I fall in love with Chosen… LOL
I appreciate your words of elaboration and encouragement.
You missed the part where I said that Ascended Mogul gave me fast and deep results and that Rebirth gave me very fast results. With Ascended Mogul I saw results in a couple of weeks and life changing results after a couple of months. With Rebirth I saw intense results the same week.
Only Emperor was slow because it is a huge sub and I might not have been 100% ready when I started it.
Being a hard gainer is something I hardly believe in. I think it really depends on the sub, how close or far you’re starting from, if you stonewalled by not following the instructions and so on.
I actually believe that some of the hard gainers are actually people who didn’t follow the instructions and stonewalled then call themselves hard gainers.
Or lack the necessary foundation, I mean, let’s be honest, how many people have actually run ascension or AM for at least 3-6 months before hopping on big programs like Emperor
Well just on a general note the craving for the sub has started to wear down
It feels easier to wait until the said moment to play the sub
So it’s been more or less 10 days
And the effects are starting to kick in I can feel the high of ZP coming my way
Libido ++
Wanted doing it’s thing +
Feeling good about the future +++++
Seing the snowball from this morning to this night ++
I did run AM for 4 months and still Emperor was slow. Some people just expect the subs to turn them into superheroes in a few weeks. When they don’t see that, they start making all sorts of reasons or start deviating from the instructions (which guarantees that they really won’t see results).
I just made a post in my journal about this 10 day phenomenon. Happened to me twice (once now and the previous time when I was doing ZP Testing).
Those who have trouble sticking to the subliminals, this could be of some help: try doing your stack for a minimum of 10 days without any changes. This includes rest days.
Maybe you need more time. But I think there is something about 10 days.
I think it’s the base line of effect, you start to slowly see some things happening more obviously, plus you had a bit of time to see it happening. So as you see result snowballing, the urge goes away, because why listening to more if it’s already snowballing
Running it more starts sounding like ruining the good mechanism at that point.
It naturally feels good enough and it’s as it should be
