LOL you meanie! ROFL!
@Houdini - current tech works very well bro. Appreciate the feedback though but I think it is getting better and better thanks to all the current changes (anti-recon, 320kbps and rebalancing).
Sometimes we do tend to forget that it is we who are actually doing the work in our subconcious with the aid of the subliminals and not the other way round. Not pointed at what you said of course but some self-reflection on my part after reading the above thread.
That’s the very core of Mental Alchemy.
@Houdini admitted he was getting great results on Ascension ZP but not the results he desired on Primal Seduction. I’m not going to judge anyone but we need to do the groundwork before moving to more advanced stuff. One again:
Scope of the goals will still affect processing and recon, depending on your current level of growth.
This is a good reminder and needs to be stressed. If some titles/customs are working and others aren’t then we have to look at:
Which means there are parts of us that need healing. After we address that with healing titles or run those titles that are “not working” for longer, we will see results.
Basically once again going back to:
Just in case: I was being sarcastic 
Never doubted the copy write 
On the full loops (if I do not overload) I get more intense, deeper and more profound results.
Results are more consistent though on 5 minutes, listening more often… for example — it is like the 5 minutes takes less time to “unpack” from processing, integration and execution whereby those cycles are shorter but again, also less intense and profound.
The ZP’s really take sometime to process and requires a lot of brain power whereas a lighter but longer file would give the brain an easier and more time to process in the now, giving more direct results (I believe).
I also feel a bit tired now but I barely need sleep because I’m also energised “mentally”, I believe from the brain that is constantly processing scripts. So I think with full loops you definitely need at least 2 rest days in between loops but it is also constantly taxing.
That’s just what I have noticed so far.
I would love to test this and I believe it would be beneficial for me…
I remember when we had Terminus and Terminus Squared on Q, on Terminus I had vert very INTENSE results from 1 loop that lasted hours upon hours, but then it also stopped working for awhile. Terminus Squared the results where very inconsistent and more deep somewhere vaguely in the mind with executions now… and then, even though there were mental shifts… not so much directly emotional.
I kinda feel ZP is like that but idk…
With the regular strength level I felt a very consistent amount of mental/emotional shifts and direct executions while it was still very very intense.
I always felt like that was my personal optimal strength level and never used the Terminus or Terminus Squared because while I felt it went deeper (especially Terminus Squared) the results for me were very inconsistent, and weird too, with like parts of the script execution here and there, also weeks later and just randomisation all around.
I honestly believe a much lower strength level with just a little bit more listening is way more beneficial for results. Not even a speeded up track idk just like Q strength but with ZP (which honestly is a way better build imo).
Maybe we can just give it a test?
Woops. I’m sorry. I meant it kinda felt that way… FOR ME, but not as a general statement.
Yes but I also felt like the cycles where “shorter” on the regular strength level. And also less deep / more conscious.
I also feel like on ZP I don’t even realise I’m in recon until I’m out of it if that makes sense… like I’ll be in recon and only when it vanishes I become aware of it.
It puts me in a weird state.
I feel like it makes the body sleepy, but the mind awake, I suspect from the processing it puts the mind in a state of cognition. Instead of relaxation.
It kinda feels, to me, like I’m both energised and depleted. But energised mentally like taking a coffee but the body is tired and emotionally I’m also exhausted after running a Zp file.
What was wrong with it?
Also @SaintSovereign I try my best not to make random general statements while trying to explain MY honest personal experience for the benefit of the technology and products so if there is some blanket statement I make it’s probably on accident or a typo.
I think so too… still trying to gauge the best way for me to get results on ZP.
I often feel it’s very intense and draining while I’m still kinda awake and energised. I feel like I could benefit from the regular strength level I think it would bring me better results but who knows.
But it’s also in a much smaller file like packing all that information which was initially in a one hour file in like 15 mins which is very intense for the mind, no?
Yeah but ZP is also strong so maybe Ascension is temporarily overpowering PS… I was getting results with it before Ascension, or it is integrating on a deeper leven whereby I temporarily see less results I had this before it’s like reaching a new height and results come back stronger and more powerful.
LOL…
I don’t want anything to do with Qv2 that’s for sure.
Honestly… I love ZP I like it better than Q (besides the strength level) in terms of how it works, it feels more normal, and other things.
I think it’s a big improvement even how Ascension functions now is unbelievable and it feels so normal, like it truly comes from within, works with ME, as ME.
But it is also taxing.
I remember my brother ran Terminus Stark, Stark Terminus for months and he started to change sooo incredibly much when he stopped listening to it. Like compared to regular Q the results went very deep and where not on as a conscious level compared to StarkQ which I used both versions of A LOT and which definitely able to gauge the difference from.
But again, that’s my personal experience.
I much preferred doing just one loop of Q every other day with constant powerful results as compared to Terminus which was very intense and profound but less constant it was also a little bit draining.
Just trying to give feedback from my experience @SaintSovereign, I do think ZP is much much better in that it feels so incredibly normal it’s insane.
But don’t you think if you listen a tad bit more like one hour (even if that means running the 15 min file 4 times or so) every other day of a much nerved version it would help results and decrease overload?
I think it would enable us to much easier find a balance in terms of recon/results.
Much like Vodka shots compared to beer, one shot may wipe you out for the night or after a few beers you’d start to feel tipsy and know to slow down for awhile.
Zp feels like vodka sometimes LOL. And the recon is barely noticeable when I’m it almost like being drunk and sobering up realising that you were under deep influence (when sober)
If that makes sense.
Yes, but in part I think it is also important for us to share our honest feedback which may or may not contribute to a positive change in technology.
Not in a demanding kind of way, more like a suggestion or feedback.
I always did this in the past because I experimented a lot and there was never and issue with it. I always loved the experimentals and just sharing my experiences, because I love for people to become happy and successful in life and I think the subliminal’s here are truly extraordinary tools.
I felt like this on Terminus, Terminus Squared, and since Qv2 was based on it (which caused a lot of recon for me) I feel it’s a worthy to suggestion that maybe for some individuals with high flow factor or whatever, those who get results easily MAYBE a decreased power level would be more beneficial and contribute to greater results.
But by far, in general the ZP method I would take over the Q stuff lol.
I think it’s going in a very positive direction ESPECIALLY since the refreshers I feel much better already— it was a big improvement in my opinion
@Lion I appreciate you as always you are a very good mediator, honest, just and fair.
I also feel like I can get tolerance / overload on one title while executing another, from my experience.
For example — I ran Ascension (one loop) four days ago, and I’m still executing and seeing results.
Whereas I probably overdid Primal Seduction and now I stopped seeing results because I think there might be a tolerance, build-up, overload just on that program but not on Ascension directly.
So less is definitely more and works much much better for me.
I think I would have to listen PS and Ascension just once a week for optimal results.
That’s really not a lot, especially for 15 min.
@Houdini - you know what I think now? Those of us who have used various versions of the subliminals here have to wrestle with different effects due to difference in builds. My guess is that that is itself a form of recon.
Or should I say a period of adjustment needed to get used to a different (and better) way to reach a goal.
But better sometimes might mean a longer time since many times our internal nature isn’t ready to accept that result.
Allow me to illustrate with an example. I remember reading in another subliminal forum that the person using a seduction subliminal had an experience where a woman practically bend over in front of him to show him that she was attracted to him. But he was so intimidated and in disbelief that he couldn’t go forward and seduce her despite running a subliminal designed to attract women.
The difference with ZP subliminals is that it helps us live in a reality where it is natural to not only attract women but also have the self-belief of worthiness to seduce said women.
I think that’s what happens when when it takes time to achieve results since we aren’t ready or put another way, we haven’t reached the reality where it naturally happens to us.
Which is what pushing reality through us with ZP is all about.
Yes, it may be that Ascension (and probably Primal) heals and strengthens your very core and that takes priority over the seduction part of PS.
Do you think he’s still affected by that run or his results still last?
ZP i partly based on Terminus. I remember how amazing my very first run of Stark Terminus was, and later on it seemed to me I was stonewalling, probably because of getting overexposed.
I remember that those mind-blowing effects I was getting on ZP Mk.III were not related to the objectives of Wanted directly, at least when it comes to the external results. The external results were the effect of a powerful energetic aura that was being projected around me and people in general (not only women) were attracted to the power of that aura. The main changes, however, were of internal nature. Mk.III shifted my self-perception and inner state so dramatically that I felt like a stranger to myself (I felt so powerful and ethearal). It seemed to me ZP was tackling my inner world in the first place and it was preparing me for external changes so that the external results related to the objectives of Wanted could take place.
I cannot say much about external results on ZP for now since I’m listening to DR that is focused on inner transformation and I didn’t have an opportunity to test out LBfH for real in the real world since I’m staying at home all the time. In one week, since I’ll be going back to Thailand, I’m going to have plenty of opportunities to see this kitten in action.
But when I was running Mogul ZP I was insanely productive and very eager to learn and I was projecting an aura of a high-status individual. It didn’t come to me straight ahead, I needed some time to go through recon (=healing) first and when it got done I started getting the aforementioned “aura” result but like that increased productivity and willingness to learn, and they kicked in right of the bat.
Exactly this. Maybe this is why loads of users were fighting against ZP and constantly comparing with Qv2. I mean every time the build tech changes, this does happen. But the most fight I have seen was when ZP was released. It was literally fighting the new reality itself.
My guess is that most of us are just getting overexposed and the recommended pattern should get revised. I don’t see any reason to decrease the power level since following the said pattern is bearable and generates results. It’s only a matter of gauging the process and adjusting your listening routine accordingly. Recommended patterns are just recommended patterns, they are just a point we can refer to and, of course, we shouldn’t try to go beyond it. Not on ZP.
He stopped listening a long time ago, but I would say it affected him for up to 3 months after listening.
Stark changed him, and all those changed and habits he formed from the program has stuck with him. He is a different person, also the way people view him is still the Genius from Stark, so that’s remained. A lot more things, like he has a sense of style for clothing now, his looks definitely improved which has remained permanent even though he has stopped improving his looks, the gains that he had are there and still there.
Etc etc
Yes, that’s the same thing he (my brother) had on Stark Terminus and he just kept using it, a lot, and eventually when he stopped listening it intensively changed him for like a period up to a month or more, and then the changes kept going for 3 months or so before fading away.
Interesting
@SaintSovereign would you say the test versions had more or less power or was it just the same power compressed in a 45 minute audio file?
I did a little experiment and I ran one loop of Wanted Mk.III (one-hour long) on my day off two hours ago and although it’s energized me it caused recon in the form of irascibility and a slight headache as well. I can definitely say that the power of LBfH is stronger than that of Mk.III. It’s hard to compare with the power DR as the dynamics of healing titles is just different.
I’m curious how you structure this regarding how many titles you use.
3 titles in one day, then again 4 days later?
Or are you still following the 2-1-2-1 pattern of not listening to more than 2 titles per day?
OR are you listening to less than 3 titles 
It was only a suggestion, mate, everyone should gauge it by themselves but avoiding going beyond the recommended pattern. Also, you need to know if you’re getting overexposed, if not, there’s no need to change your pattern.
Oh no worries, I know it’s just a suggestion.
But I am always trying to optimize my listening schedule, so was just curious about the details of yours.
Maybe I could adapt it to myself, is my thought.
I’m following the recommended pattern, I’ve been doing it since it got released. I’m not getting overexposed so I’ll be sticking with it.