I think that is a good way to view things. Makes us take more action instead of depending solely on the subliminal. Which in turn improves the subliminal resulta.
Teaching Alert!
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From my experience
I would advice the users of ROmance Subs to take it very very easy .
Unlike other Subs , we can’t be taking action ( approaching ) like a mad man .
I get very good results in a both active way and in a passive manifestation with playing Romance Subs once every 2 weeks.
What Saint says is correct . Sex is the end goal .
But keep milestone on the way to sex like
Saying hi
Number close
Date close
Kiss close
Make out
Foreplay
Play the Subs and try to push the milestone everytime with a new gal . That way we can clearly measure the progress .
I got good results in Qv2 which I was handwaving away .
But with ZP , I got the highest benchmark of Pickup - " Same Night Lay " .
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Btw everyone, I think I waved this off as a result but I suddenly remembered this and I had to type it but this version of Libertine seems to highly increase my creativity, I was coming up with ideas, had an urge to create like Stark. Could be due to sexual energy.
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Libertine does not generate sexual energy it utilizes existing energy. So it must have been your run of stark or RM ?
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No my stack was Wanted + Heartsong + Libertine that day. So it has to be one of these. Heartsong and Wanted do not seem to have done it but I only ran Libertine that day. @Lion do you think it could be this -
" Use excess sexual energy to your advantage."
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@WinglissStark - yes it is possible. I can’t be 100 percent sure in this case but generally having more Sexual energy and Aura does lead to more creativity.
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Will the ultima product line be getting an update aswell or have they been discontinued permanently??
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They have already been updated to ZP.
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They are no longer listed on the shop list ?
Whatever audio was Ultima, they are now ZP. For example, Libertine Ultima is now Libertine ZP. Paragon Complete Ultima is now Paragon Complete ZP. Etc.
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Yeah Ultima as a product line went away when the realization hit just how powerful Zero Point is.
ZP is/was more than just an incremental tech upgrade. ZP is the stuff that pushes the envelope just as fast as it can be pushed.
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No, you will get an extra file that is the Primer with ANY sub going forward (when they do it), and the main sub will just be the script without ANY primer. So you can decide yourself for how long you want to prime and then run the script.
Because they learned that too much primer doesnt work as well for many people.
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You mean the versions before Ultima v1?
I think that was before I have start to read at this forums… 
Me too. But I believe they were called “New Dawn” and “PrimalTech”, among others. 
I was thinking the subs before ultima where something like a short imagination audio.
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The original standalone subliminal was Ultima v1 which replaced the guided supercharger (LIFEcharger)
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Just supercharger. LIFEcharger is newer.
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Hi @Batman the first version of Libertine was actually a super charger it was a hypnosis audio of a female talking telling you how sexy you are. This version never worked for me, then SC came along with newer version without the female voice that actually worked very well.
The versions after that this is ultima version 1 worked well. However ever since ZP came along it stopped working for me and a few others.
Saint did say he would take alook at the script to see if he can figure out what might be wrong.
I have even tested the zp version standalone but it still dont work.
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Ahh thanks.
So you mean Ultima v1 which worked very well for you…
What about v2 and v3 of Libertine?