Main Disc. Thread - Khan Black: The Crucible (Custom Core Now Available!)

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#609

The wording doesn’t matter, you’re doing something you’re not supposed to do

You’re not supposed to just jump past stage one that quick, you’re also not supposed to mix, even if @Dantes is doing it too

You can do what you want, the reason I said what I said wasn’t to attack you or correct you, it was a blunt reminder for others to not be discouraged by your findings and associate it with the program, which is made to be run differently

I promise you it’s not personal, you can do whatever you want to.

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#610

I understand you have a lot of self belief and I also have no doubt you got a superior mind. I don’t expect anything less from a long time subclub member and I’ve also seen how you look and I see how you hold yourself

But WE HAVE TO BE real; and be honest here. You cannot run a behemoth of a program, a multi stage artisanal title aimed at healing none other than the entire essence of life in a world where, regardless of how manly you are, is jacked

And expect to not be called the kitchen sink guy, you are that guy bro, please, this isn’t me bullying you, but you’re running sporadically 15 minute loops of this program jumping from stage to stage, some times mixing two stages within a short time span

Rambling was a term uncalled for; it was my way of saying you’re reconned and mistaking it for the organic effects of this program

Kitchen sink guy is what you are, if it hurts you, then maybe you need to question what you’re looking for by abusing such an intensive program meant for life long change and smooth tidings

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#611

I’m afraid that almost all of us are in recon to some degree. The thing is, even thought the effects/symptoms of recon are much less severe thanks to the new tech, its intensity can be still pretty high. Recon became a really latent phenomenon, guys.

Another thing is the results on the new tech can be pretty latent as well, hence, some users, like @Rapsta, claim that they are getting little to no results.

Self-introspection, organic growth, high synergy/flow factor are key.

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#612

We are definitely growing at astonishing rates, this is the feature of recon.

My perspective is this: we just aren’t comfortable with others being themselves so openly, we aren’t conditioned for it by default, and society today is more about making others fit your ways (what you think are “your ways” but are usually sold to you)

Yes there is that sense of “inner battle” that’s also mixed in with our newly found sense of selves, but as long as we are able to accept ourselves and others, this “recon” is a blessing, an Indicator of growth, and at the very least, a sign that we are executing the free will script

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#614

@SaintSovereign what is your opinion on stacking Khan with Khan Black?

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#615

Fire said if you’re gonna do this, do a stage at a time.

Edit:

@friday ^^^^

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#616

thank you, missed this post

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#617

Well, you’re not wrong.

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#618

I wanted to anwser this this morning.

Not sure if I understand proprely but we can agree to disagree (if disagreement there are).

Just read the definition of kitchen sink guy and it’s actually just a lack of planning and organization… Which would describe how I see my Khan Black run. Just don’t really appreciate the metaphor as it’s low status af, I’ve seen worst tho.

Just defending my pride here :wink:

Then I guess this would be the last part as to why I was called out here and not other forum users who would (or are currently doing the same).

One thing we need to understand anyway is that I never had any expectation of anything toward Khan Black if it will run smoothly or not. I was expecting recon and I’m actually surprised by the low amount of recon I am having (especially since recon this week was linked to HoM more than KB).

Abusing again, I know it’s details at this point but we could argue there are way worst way to abuse this program than 2 listening days per week with an average of 5 min (15min was a bit too much for me, but I am already feeling better after a good night sleep)

I believe also my experience will serve for other people who decide to run it in a more free flowing way, mixing and matching different stages, and stacking with other titles. Subclub already had issues with people overloading and will keep having users disregarding the recommended amount of listening time.

Thank you really appreciate :slight_smile: I gotta say I return the compliment, having read few of your experiences with subs it’s rather impressive.

Yes good point, I will write down in my recon post that recon was due to HoM and lack of sleep mostly since I’ve had a pretty demanding week on the road at work.

Following this train of thought it would be wise to also remid others not to be encouraged by users mixing different stages and having great results, encouraging them to do the same and potentially experiencing recon.

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#619

It is possible to say anything about how permanent the positive changes from running KB will be after one stops running the program - lets say after 8 or 12 months? i.e. is this a sub where most of the benefits will continue after running it (as I experienced with e.g Alchemist), or will you primarily experience the benefits while it is part of your stack?

My intuition tells me that dedicating a long time to run KB will be an amazing long-term investment, since the changes to the energy system should be somewhat permanent as long sexual energy practices are maintained.

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#620

Considering the fact that KB helps you work with sexual energy, any positive changes should stick around as long as you are observing the new positive habits you’ve built.

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#621

It’s good to see someone else running this who isn’t scared to experiment.

I see so many people screaming “oh you aren’t following the recommended guidelines!” at one another as if the guidelines are some kind of holy text rather than a guide based on previous testing. I’ve also seen some really bad passive aggressive behavior from other individuals like one person who used the famous phrase “I’m so sorry” before saying something designed to trash the other individual for their unique (and ultimately correct) way of thinking about different tech versions.

I hold to my belief that you can’t know the true scope of what these things can do if you only listen in one predetermined way. I’m also kind of disturbed at this whole trend to avoid recon like its some big boogeyman. Whatever happened to “no pain, no gain”? I have this crazy idea that I made just as much progress if not more listening to the Q and Qv2 versions of the programs and getting recon (a crazy idea based on actual past results). I mean wasn’t it Blake who once said you can’t know what is enough unless you learn what is too much?

I hold that the trend for avoiding recon as well as the “please don’t do something outside the recommendations” is all born out of a desire for safety and security in our culture because of an increasing fragility in a lot of the population due to their lives being stretched to breaking point. For those people it makes sense to be overly careful with the listening guidelines to not bring on a full fledged mental breakdown. But for those who have been listening for a long time and whose life is pretty on track, experimentation can really help, like flooring the pedal in a vehicle to see how will it can perform. The vehicle s the individual, the sub is the gas pedal.

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#622

Yea Im awful at following guidelines somedays I run 4 subs .

Tried so many combos some work better than others :joy:.

But recon barely arise at all anymore. Yea I can get a bit tired but not much more.

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#623

I will run This stage by stage though . Since with energy you can’t skip steps

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#624

Yeah I have my listening schedule set to manage recon, getting great results in terms of inner change, I grew a shit ton in the past year, no issue on my part to experiment. Let’s not forget it’s an artisanal title.

I’d actually personally recommend less loops than the recommended guidelines, managing processing time, energy and all. When I get in recon, manifeststion don’t happens as good and as fast as when I’m calm.

Really depends on what your goals are actually. My goals with Khan black are mostly to reconnect with my inner sexual energy I felt so strong during my first Khan run. I don’t see a problem with mixing st1 and 2. Recon mostly came from bad sleep, bad nutrition and my state of exhaustion due to my job.

Action probably the best way to grow as a person so managing recon is important as taking action on recon can be slower.

@emperor_obewan Goal here is mostly to prevent more situation to turn crazy with people stacking 8 titles at the same time and calling it “experimentation” :wink:, then coming here to complain nothing works! But I do get the point as it seems I wasn’t getting those types of reaction 1-2 years ago.

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#625

And that’s mainly been my experience too, recon coming from not taking enough of the right action or not eating well/sleeping enough. Not so much from too many loops. I tend to know when I’ve had enough, loop wise.

Well, I have been known to do those kinds of experiments in the past and it never hurt me none :wink: but then I wasn’t a masochist with it. There’s only so many hours you can listen to subs in headphones that chafe your ears :stuck_out_tongue: especially if you’re taking action towards your goals.

For me the loops of Khan I’ve run had been to generate sexual energy to redirect towards the other titles. I used to do this a lot back during the days of Qv2 and Ultima by listening to Libertine or some other sexual Ultima and then shifting to a different sub straight after it in my stack. This worked for me at the time because I’m not actively seeking out relationships and my goal was to use that energy for other things. Also, the other reason has been to squash any remaining urge towards PMO, which is a slow process but noticeable results with number of days between relapsing increasing.

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#626

KB st1 is wonderful for that I believe.

As long as you are happy with the results I guess it’s the important part :wink: I would react way to much listening to more loops than what I am litening right now, it works best for me with lower loop and more rest days.

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#627

And that seems to be the crux of it. All of this “don’t do this” and “don’t do that” seems to be more a protective measure to stop people from experiencing recon or from doing something really stupid and then yelling at the internets “it doesn’t work!!”. When a child gets told not to touch a hotplate, and they do it anyway and get burned, they learn from experience. But maybe they learn that if you put your hand only this close to the hotplate for this period of time you’re okay. And then occasionally you still burn yourself, but you learn how to gauge things on your own rather than believing someone else’s second hand information.

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#628

There lies the issue imagine you ran a business and users starting asking refund for burning themselves :wink: now you gotta put some rules

Sorry @Malkuth we going back to the thread!

@emperor_obewan I was looking to wrap things up as we can discuss this for hours like Malkuth said. I feel the more dogmatic vision that can be seen on the forum comes from some people having a harder time accepting responsability for their lack of action or results, then blaming it on the subs. This created some sort of alertness toward any report that could be “bad” and now we here. PM me if you want to talk about it more :+1:

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#629

Any principle or idea can be laden with excessive baggage or rigidly applied to the point of dysfunction.

There is no unassailable viewpoint or position that is impervious to the effects of one’s own ignorance or lack of balance.

Following the rules can be done rigidly and with poor balance.

Experimentation can be done rigidly and with poor balance.

Rather than villainizing one or the other, just strive for balance and effectiveness in your own practice.

If someone else is unbalanced, it is usually not because of their beliefs. The unbalance usually precedes whatever beliefs they happen to have landed on. So arguing with their beliefs is often a waste of time. The source of the imbalance is usually deeper.

(hmm…but discussion can still be helpful, so…)

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