I’m really on the fence about continuing this title, 1 minutes of it’s first stage exhausts the he’ll out of me, very energy consuming and plenty of dreams/nighmares. But at the same time feels really worth it, that’s it’s the 2nd time that I say I won’t run this, but then I run it after the recon subsides.
Right now I’m focusing my energy on WB and Singularity, cannot afford the energy drain because I need it for them. But the post recon feeling on this sub is really good. I would call it a no fear state, where you love completely(if that’s your energetic state) and go into fight mode completely, you’re all in every moment of life, because you transcended your sexuality. Not an easy title to run, adaptive scripting, NSE and ZPU would do wonders to this title, especially the adaptive scripting, honestly all of them.
But till then, I guess I’ll drop this, If everything goes well, I’ll be in India in 3 months and I’ll learn two more powerful and advanced energy cultivation and ego dissolution practices. Current practice of mine is really helping with recon and energy expenditures of the titles, but it’s not enough for KBC. But when I get initiated into those practices nothing can stop me 
. But KBC is too precious 
Alright peace out.
I know that feeling. The first time I ran it two years ago, I needed two cycles to reach 5 minutes. During that time my sleep was terrible. When I woke up, I felt like a train hit me and this lasted for an hour. In the third cycle I was easily able to push to full loops without recon.
This time, the physical recon wasn’t as bad by far. And after 1.5 cycles it vanished completely and I reached 5 minutes.
I guess there was still something left to clear out. But it was worth the struggle. I’m planning to run it until I reach 15 minutes again without recon.
If you want to continue with KB and only energetic concerns make you consider dropping it, you might always try shorter loops.
Start with 15 seconds.
If it’s still to much, go down to 10 or 5.
These subs work pretty well even when microdosed.
This alone is an intense title with strong energetic demands. Once you reach KB3 though, it will propel WB forward strongly.
Others, like @RockyHandsome use it in Physical Shifting Customs and love it for the energy it gives.
Hey
I read your reports and I have that pain in my left arm area, some kind of energetic cleaning maybe.
And I love the feeling KBC gives me but it’s simply too hard for me to run.
I definitely thought about smaller loops though, let’s see how things pan out.
And yes, I’m feeling junk clearing out, so if I reach 3-4 minutes and there not much recon, then I suspect the journey to full loops and full loops of next stages will be much faster. Because if you workout the first quadrant, then the other 3 are the same theme but more intense, so they’ll be much manageable. Also when you work with a healing stage, the other stages become much easier. I think I read somewhere Saint said(might be wrong) KBC stages are the same scripts getting more and more intense. Might be wrong about this whole hypothesis though.
This is about the quadrants of each sub.
They contain the exact same principles but expand in each iteration.
Read KBs Copy again. Each stage has completely different purposes.
- Is clearing of your energetic structures
- Is strengthening of these structures
- Is make the fire burn aka energy production
- Is a combination with secret extra features
Can’t get over the feeling this sub gives me after the recon, no fear, pure love. Liberation.
I think I might start stage 4 with 15 seconds loops. Starting stage 1 with 15 second loops seems too long.
Good idea i did my first loop at 6 mins for Khan Black stage 4. However i dont get the same get up and go feeling compared to running SpartanApex/LOTS/KB3 stacked with a second custom ASBR/WB/BL. I know Saint may argue that such a stack is highly demanding but it really does fill me with super human energy that i cannot even explain.
Ask me next year. I only made or to stage 3.
I spent only one cycle on stage 2, then on stage 3 the energy became to much.
I don’t think Khan Black directly adress ambition and drive for action, but it can happen as a consequence of sexual development and much more organically.
It’s mostly this calm, clean and controlled energy which can be used in myriad of ways.
What’s your experience with ASBR and WB combo?
They work like magic together
Best of luck
I’m not fire, but Messiah complex isn’t always spiritual elitism, other times it’s feeling like you need to save everyone and you literally are taking on that role.
No dig at you, but the problem when people start their spiritual practice and they start to feel sensations and bliss altered states, they can’t shut the fuck up about spirituality. It’s a very very very common thing. It happened to my buddy who for a year was shunned from his family because he couldn’t stfu about energy, consciousness, 3d vs 5d, he literally could not go 10m without shifting any topic into spirituality.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but I can’t help but notice almost every single one of your posts is about spirituality which is whatever, but when you make a “dear forum please read” and take it upon yourself to recommend spirituality to everyone, you’re crossing into that territory. I know you mean well and to help people but you are far more likely to put people off than have them take up whatever you are trying to recommend.
And this is coming from someone who does daily energy practice AND I believed I have reached out to you via DM’s asking about your Kriya experience. One way or another, to the folks who are meant for it, they will come seek it, and it’s not for everyone because different folks have different paths. There’s no need to do a PSA for the entire forum to go sign up with a guru.
KB Stage 1 — Ignition of the Inner Flame — is focused entirely on deep sexual healing. It targets traumas, insecurities, and limiting beliefs around sexuality, purifies your energetic channels, and sets the foundation for the more intensive energy cultivation in later stages. It’s powerful and necessary work, but it can also be heavy — this stage surfaces material that many people have spent years avoiding.
Summertime pairs well here because the two titles are working on related but distinct layers of the same system.
The Safety Foundation
KB1 needs your system to feel safe enough to release deeply held sexual trauma and limiting beliefs. If your nervous system is in a constant state of low-grade vigilance — bracing, monitoring, managing — it’s harder for that material to surface and process cleanly. Summertime works directly on dissolving that background tension and re-establishing a felt sense of bodily safety and ease. It’s essentially giving KB1 better conditions to do its work — a more relaxed, receptive system that can let things move through rather than clenching against the process.
The Experience Between Sessions
KB1 can be a demanding run, particularly for those with significant material to process. Some people find the healing stages of multi-stage titles consume their entire experience — every day feels like processing. Summertime counterbalances this by keeping you connected to genuine enjoyment, presence, and warmth in your daily life. You’re still laughing, still present with people, still finding pleasure in ordinary moments — even while deep internal work is happening underneath. It prevents the healing process from becoming your entire identity for the duration of the stage.
Energetic Channel Work
KB1 is purifying and opening your sexual energy channels. Summertime is doing its own form of opening — releasing the social vigilance, the bracing, the self-monitoring that creates constriction throughout your system. Both titles are essentially saying “let go of what you’ve been holding” — KB1 in the sexual and energetic domain, Summertime in the social and nervous system domain. The parallel relaxation work should support each other, as tension in one area often reinforces tension in others.
Social Expression During Healing
KB1’s product description notes that even in Stage 1, you’ll start to notice more organic attraction from others — a subtle shift in how people respond to you as your energy clears. Summertime amplifies this naturally. As KB1 clears the blockages, the warmth, ease, and genuine presence that Summertime develops become the vehicle through which that new energetic clarity actually shows up in your interactions. The attraction KB1 generates lands differently when it’s carried by someone who is genuinely warm and at ease rather than someone still socially guarded.
In short — KB1 does the deep clearing, Summertime keeps the process livable and gives the results somewhere warm to land. They work on different layers but support the same direction: a system that’s more open, more alive, and less held back by what it’s been carrying.
Can you please post the qOS copy version of KB ( all stages ) solo without Summertime please
The 72-hour (3-day) abstinence window is indeed well-supported by the research, and it makes a lot of sense from a physiological standpoint. Here’s why that sweet spot works so well:
Why ~72 hours is optimal:
- Sperm production cycle: The testes continuously produce sperm, but it takes roughly 64–74 days for full spermatogenesis. The epididymis then matures and stores sperm over several days. A 72-hour window allows a good reservoir to accumulate without the downsides of longer waits.
- Motility: Fresh, recently matured sperm that haven’t been sitting too long in the reproductive tract tend to show the best forward progressive motility. Older stored sperm can accumulate DNA damage and lose motility over time.
- Morphology: Longer abstinence periods can increase the proportion of abnormally shaped sperm, possibly due to oxidative stress from reactive oxygen species building up.
- Volume: Seminal fluid (mostly from the seminal vesicles and prostate) replenishes relatively quickly, so 72 hours gives adequate volume without excessive dilution of sperm concentration.
The trade-offs at either extreme:
| Too frequent (< 24 hrs) | Too infrequent (> 5–7 days) |
|---|---|
| Lower volume | Higher volume but lower motility |
| Lower sperm concentration | More DNA fragmentation |
| Immature sperm present | More morphological abnormalities |
Clinical relevance: This is why most fertility clinics and sperm banks advise donors and patients to abstain for 2–5 days before a sample, with 3 days being the common sweet spot — which aligns perfectly with what you observed on the bench.
Who’s running kb, how’s it going? Long time no see.
I’m on day 8 of st1. I’ve ran it in the past, especially st1.
Realized my shoulder and neck is very sore/tense during my qigong practice and tension is not good for energy flow. Anyone overcame this issue? Perhaps it will come with time. I’ll ask my teacher too.
Other then that, warmer body. Better sensitivity. More present, which might be indicator of my channels becoming more robust and cleaner. Focus is insane during practice.
Sleep is an issue, pretty common with this sub.
me . currently in ST4 . Going good .
Am not doing any spiritual practises or physical activity now since career is consuming a lot of my energy .
Am following microloop strategy . I dont face any sleep issues .
Hows the extra khan black energy for work? I experience intense focus during practice, I can imagine how good that is for work as well. Getting back to work tomorrow, we’ll see how it goes.
Im doing microloops too. To be fair, I’m coming off a long cycle of DRR/GLM and sleep issues were there as well, recon is a culprit.