Yaz, did you run full duration if st1?
I’m on my third cycle on st1, am running shorter loops, average perhaps 3 min.
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Short review of Stage 1
I listened now for 3 cycles.
Cycles 1&2 were mostly 3-5 minutes.
Cycle 3 only full 15 minute loops.
The first 2 cycles I was super tired in the morning. I felt like a truck hit me. Didn’t know where or who I was for the first few minutes.
Regarding sexuality, I didn’t feel much. I was still horny and tempted non stop. Finally I relapsed and fell back into PMO and porn games.
During that time I wasn’t able to keep a regular listening schedule. Sometimes I listened every other day, sometimes there were 3 or 4 off days.
End of February I decided to listen more disciplined and started full loops. That brought the change for me.
I woke up quite normally. Not super energetic, but this feeling of being hit by a truck was gone.
Sometimes that uneasy feeling still is there but at a much lesser intensity.
Sexually it made all the difference. Since then, temptation is almost completely gone. Not one serious thought of watching porn or playing porngames. I played Assassin’s creed instead.
While gaming there was a few times the thought of checking if there is a nude mod available or if there’s videos of the female main character.
But it was always just a short thought popping up in my head. Then the rest of my subconscious intervened immediately.
Finally, I got me some accountability app for all my devices, that sends screenshots to my GF.
To me that was the last step. I now know, that everything I do online is sent to her and that thought alone is liberating as fuck.
I never “loved” using porn, especially not since I’m in a relationship. But it always got the better of me because I thought I could keep it secret. Not anymore.
We have a deal that she’s not looking at my SubSclub screenshots so I can freely journall in here.
Today is the last day of stage 1 and Saturday is the start for stage 2.
@Risky perhaps this is interesting for you.
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That’s awesome progress brother.
That’s interesting because I also went overdrive into PMO the first two cycles and now on my third cycle it stopped. First cycle I was like WTF, I woke up the beast even more! This is no good, and went into apathy.
But this cycle I went 2 weeks without and engaged and started it. It wasn’t a horny feeling coming up, it was me deciding to do it. I do experience stagnation side effects so I decided to do it and had to “start it up”, once a week until I can properly rotate my energy. And usually once I open the flood gate, it floods, that means I get even more horny and want more. But nope, I’m good and feel the stagnation effects gone and no crazy PMO lust. Which tells me it’s from a healthier place and I have greater control over my sexual energy. So lesson here is, keep going if you feel cycle 1 didn’t help with PMO (to other members who feel it might not have worked).
Cool, I mean I’ve been running 3min loops but I think it’s time to push it a bit more, I’ve been entertaining the idea.
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It was also the first two stages for me. There was an initial stage where there was a waning of my desires, I felt kinda neutral in my desires. And then the desire to PMO ramped up.
I ran the first stage 3 cycles I believe and ST2 just the one.
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Only on the fifth cycle I begun going for 15 minutes just to milk it
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Now I’m here after my four week complete washout.
I was fostering how to continue. I’ve done ten months of KB in total: 2*(St1+St2+St3)+4*St4.
And I really was unsure how I should continue. I would love to keep KB as a part of my stack. On the other hand, I also want to explore some of the new releases and already have a three title stack with KB and two customs. Quite heavy, I always did microloops (3min) and sticked to the recommended three-title-listening pattern.
What can I say about Khan Black? Just a quick check with the goals:
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initiates an intense healing process, targeting and repairing any traumas, insecurities, or limiting beliefs surrounding your sexual energy and sexuality
→ 5/5 on stage 1! It literally had solved a rather major sexual hangup of mine within the very first cycle. -
profound cleansing and purifying of your energetic channels, ensuring that your sexual energy can flow freely and without obstruction
→ 4/5 on stage 2. My Qi Gong practices became easier during this time, so I contribute this to stage 2. -
strengthens your energetic channels, particularly the sexual ones, enabling you to handle and direct the immense sexual energy that will course through your body
→ 3,5/5 on stage 2 and 3. Not quite sure about this one. I did notice though that I was and still am able to separate my orgasm from the actual ejaculation, meaning I can have an orgasm during sex without ejaculating right away. I know one way to do this with physical pressure on the base of you p*nis when having an orgasm, but that does not really work for me because it only delays ejaculation for a few seconds. KB does a better job at this and I consider this quite huge. Why only 3,5/5 stars then? Because besides from actual sex I couldn’t directly spot the proclaimed ability, but maybe it is just disguised for my eye (see the points about boosting efforts to achieve goals and usage alongside other subs below). -
as your energetic channels become more robust, your charisma, magnetism, and presence will grow, increasing your influence and attractiveness
→ 3/5: I’ve always been charismatic, I’ve done my research about it before; I’ve also developed my attractiveness beforehand. But KB sure didn’t hurt in this department. -
cultivating vast amounts of sexual energy
→ 5/5 on stage 3: yes, it really does and it is amazing! Unfortunatelly this subsided on stage 4. It didn’t really make me very horny - because of stages 1 and 2 I did not need to use porn/masturbation as a valve for my sexual energy, and also because of… [see below] -
can be used to boost your efforts in achieving your goals or strengthening your energetic aspects, depending on your personal preferences and aspirations
→ 4/5: it really helped me to work on my creative goals as musician. All the extra energy that I had could be directed into my musical ventures. -
can be used alongside other subliminals such as Mogul or Sage Immortal, unlocking powerful synergistic effects
→ 5/5: absolutely. I did use all of the four stages alongside my two customs (music (UE + MEye) and leadership (Chosen+OG Stark)). I feel that it fueled them nicely. They are very focused but still quite heavy two core + 18 modules customs and I could pull them off easily. They also are very aligned with my goals. -
challenges you to confront and overcome your deepest fears, insecurities, and limitations regarding sexuality, sexual expression, and sexual energy
3/5: still working on this and one reason why I want to continue with KB. -
develops mastery within you that allows you greater control and precision over your sexual energy and it’s transformative powers
3,5-4/5: yes, see above. -
naturally develops your energetic sensitivity
3,5-4/5: probably, but I feel that I should use Alchemist that I bought as one of my very first subs, when it is updated, to get a more comprehensive grasp on this.
How am I going to continue? I started today with newLB and newSanguine on a two-stack cycle and hope to focus more on myself, because during the last year I worked quite hard and I had to pay some toll regarding my health, so I’m cutting back on this behalf and will elevate myself through self love and self care. Hopefully my relationship with myself, people and life itself will really benefit from this.
Later on I’m sure I will redo the KB cyclus, with all four stages. Maybe I’m then building a custom with nLB and nSanguine, we’ll see how they go as major titles.
Thanks for reading and big thanks to Fire and Saint for this truly life altering and enhancing title.
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could you share your experience on that ？I never wash that long…I am curious what will happen during that time，I know it will be deeper integration ，better execution and etc…what is the time frame of all that ？ 
also congratulations for your success ！！！
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Could this mean, that your subconscious is prioritizing content from other stages? EG that there’s still trauma left that needs healing?
Did you ever run full loops or at least longer loops of all the stages?
Perhaps that would help. Saint recently explained, that each title is built like a mini fourstager it self. So if you only ever listened to the first 3 minutes, you’ve probably never reached stage 2, not to speak of 3 or 4 of each stage.
Since each substage builds on the previous one and deepens the effect, I could imagine, that building up to full loops might bring better results.
I’ve listened to stage 1 for 2 cycles with 3 minute loops. Minimal results. For the third cycle I went straight to full loops. And bam, the results I’ve yearned for.
I wouldn’t recommend going straight to full loops (I had 2 cycles of 3 min loops to build up momentum), but since you’ve listened to KB for 10 cycles, perhaps one cycle where you crank it up? Perhaps step by step?
I’ve just re-read your entries and I do understand you. My first hunch was just start from stage 1 again. But then, I know, that I feel a bit limited with my stack being fixed for 4 months.
Or perhaps you could run microloops of KB4 every other week to keep it working in your system?
Of course that would be experimental.
@Answergroup
If run long enough, will stage 4 ever bring the same amount of energy stage 3 delivers?
Or will the other stages always have precedence?
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Sure.
I did neither. Started with Subclub in February 2023. The first three months were just playing around with many titles, trying them out and getting a feel for it. Started getting serious in April 2023 with my first long term custon (the music one), then added KB in June and the second custom in August. Always did the five day rest after each cycle.
That’s simple: life goes on. And I’m serious about that.
You’ll get this with any kind of activity or engagement that you commit to over a longer period of time. It can be sports, work (especially on projects), music, studying, literally anything. You always need a balance between activity and recovery. On a day to day basis, weekly, monthly and so on. After a while (for me, it is usually around ten to twelve months) you just get the feeling that it is too much, that you need to rest and leave it all behind, to really unwind. And then you do just that. Stop doing what you focused on during the last season/project/year, whatever you call it, and enjoying life. I don’t know what’s happening during washout on a subconcious/biological/physical level but I did feel the veil of recon lifting after two weeks. The recon was so imperceptible that I wasn’t aware of it during my listening times, only close to the end of my last two cycles I got the feeling that I wished, the cycles were over. I still sticked to my planned schedule because I generally don’t base my decisions on my feelings (at least not the small decisions). Then I got some great insights about questions that I was pondering on during my listening time. I don’t dwell on unsolved questions, I’m a researcher and do know from experience that solutions will arise at times when one doesn’t expect them and I’ve never been able to force an outcome, I just got stuck when trying this in my younger years. Now after four weeks I think that I’m ready for new input because everything now feels natural and genuine.
Thanks.
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Don’t know. I don’t like the idea of healing one’s traumas. I don’t pathologize my life. Maybe I can tell you more when I’m done with my second round of KB.
No never. I tried it with my customs and felt overload. Can you point out the explanation of Saint you’re refering to? I’ve never seen this concept.
Thanks for these ideas. I’ll think about them when the times has come to do so.
That was just one example of the objection the earlier stages. You cam use any for this explanation.
This whole thread turned to a goldmine. Give it read. They revealed a lot about how subs work.
@Dantes Is KB still undefeated or has NEW Khan or any updated sub dethroned KB in this regard?
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Highly subjective.
From the bunch
I passively attract, I guess that what he means, much more from RoTN and Wanted Black ex-aequo. I mean women approaching me.
New Khan, jury still out there.
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KB experience undefeated till this day
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Yup same here. Saw major IOI’s on ZP with KB. Hoping to see this effect with New Wanted.
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thank you for you detail reply….
@x3m thank you for sharing your experiences!
What I am wondering is, is it valuable to run through all four stages of Khan Black if the objective is to make romance subs like PS and SSX run better? Or is that basically served through one run of ST1? I am thinking about my stack plans for the long term (which involve a lot of romance subs) and so want to see whether KB beyond ST1 has meaning for my goals which are decidedly non-spiritual (at least in a conventional sense).
All stages of KB help to reach these goals.
Especially stage 3 is known to skyrocket your sexual energy which in turn fuels your attraction, aura and other subs.
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just finished my second cycle of KB st4…I went through the previous stage one by one….I could easily differentiate the effects between KB1/2/3 or something else from my stack….but KBst4 is bit different…I can not clearly tell what is there…I know KBst4 includes all previous stages，I assume it has something more …？what will those features be ？ people who use the KBst 4，care to shed some light on me ？thanks…. 
No 
I felt the same way haha
I did 2-3 cycles of each stage up to Stage 4, then 2-3 cycles of Stage 4 as well, and I had the same exact experience.
On the previous stages I could tell what effect KB was having on me, but on Stage 4 I couldn’t pinpoint it. I knew something was happening but I couldn’t figure out WHAT exactly it was.
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