Main Disc. Thread - HERO Origins: Sage and a Blade (Now Available! Q Core for Customs Available!)

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#979

Isn’t it already in the sub?
I’ve used it for a year and can tell that I’m in full control of it.

Sometimes it’s just a part of the game. I’ve made some “sub-optimal” (to put it lightly) life decisions or what some have said “sacrifices” just for the sake of mastery and the virtues. Most are completely worth it. The more you let the virtue scripting seep into your life, the more you understand the values of what adhering to it can give you.

I’ve also refused to take some. The virtue scripting is not asking you to do the impossible. It’s helping you to get closer to that ideal, to the point where taking action that fulfils it feels like the most natural thing to do. We are in full control.

Well, at least that’s how the scripting works with me. It’s different for everyone to a degree.
I can’t remember a recon from not taking the “virtuous” decision.
Instead, HeO helps me build my character so I’d be much more inclined to take it.

I wish the best for your current situation though.

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#980

Thanks @Viktor I think its just i am going through some challenging times. Times when you wish you could change things for the better but you cannot.

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#981

I amd planning to upgrade my existing HERO origins custom subliminal to include modules that support heart health, protect against brain-related disorders, and promote overall longevity. Could you suggest any modules for that? So far, I’ve seen the following ones which i might include

Epigenetics & DNA Modulator
Cardiovascular System
SPS: Nervous System

For obvious reasons i do not want to add too many modules.

#982

On the contrary, these are the moments with the virtue scripting shines. Virtue isn’t about being weak. If you must draw the metaphorical blade to strike, then draw your blade and strike. But take no pleasure from what must be done to protect yourself.

Wisdom from Master Laozi.

The fact that you are torn represents growth. Turning back now means falling back into older cycles and habits. You’ve got this.

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#983

It’s tricky because it’s based on what we think of us virtuous, not some objective standard isn’t it?

I do sales as one career

It’s a high-quality service that creates incredible results for some people and great results for others, and then there are people who have a bad experience. A fair amount. But for some others its the most lifechanging thing ever for them.

I’m not on the service side, just the sales side. I care so much that my leads and clients have great experiences and get results. Its one of the reasons I’m good at sales, but if I were truly moral in my own view, I would tell people that- I would steer certain people away from the service etc. (I already actually do both those things to an extent) I’m concerned virtue scripting is in fact at an impasses with what is always practical or results driven.

While the dream is to have a fully aligned life—with no compromise or ‘selling out’ even slightly to own one’s values and integrity — values and integrity were not always there. We all not there. I certainly am not.

I might not even know how to navigate that. One spiritual teacher said-its not always the right thing to do to take away some else’s pain.

Could having a bad experience ultimately be in their best interest? Could my concern for them morally prevent them from having the results they’re looking for? Where do I draw the line on what is moral? I have people in my life I feel doing the ethical thing would profoundly hurt them or even myself in certain situations. What about when desire opposes morality, when I only have my limited prospective to ascertain? I’m curious how virtue scripting balances with this.

I speak from conception, not experience, since I have not run HERO for exactly this reason.

From my understanding, TWTP had no morality. Wouldn’t virtue scripting massively temper that sub’s ability?

Perhaps I have virtue as inherently opposed to efficacy, practicality, and politics.

#984

With these types of titles, where there’s an ability to gain strength and / or skills beyond what is considered normal (relative to the individual), you will always find morality scripting and that’s non-negotiable. We won’t put out any title that allows an individual to develop skills to terrorize or harm the public.

Given that the scripting can be expressed in a manner that resonates with you, the user always has agency. That way, if an individual attempts to abuse this title or any other like it, they will have no choice but to accept what they have done rather than claiming “the sub made them do it” or any other nonsense.

These are the terms by which we will make these titles. That will not change, regardless of rhetoric. We have a duty not only to our customers, but to the public at large.

Every title at Subliminal Club contains some form of mild morality scripting, and all the titles have the aim of uplifting humanity on some level. TWTP was largely scripted for defense against manipulation, not giving you the ability to manipulate others.

These types of things will never change. Wasn’t a problem then, isn’t a problem now, where suddenly people want to become villains and want us to create titles that allow them to manipulate others, and now the topic of morality is suddenly some kind of issue where there wasn’t before. Everyone’s still out there making money, getting laid, generating sales, etc. And I’m sure there’s people attempting to abuse the titles to do negative things. There’s only a certain level of preventing this that we are capable of doing, and that’s by gearing all the scripts toward positivity and uplifting humanity.

Again, wasn’t an issue then, not an issue now.

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#985

Never ran Hero but @RockyHandsome has made it sound intriguing. I will say the virtue scripting in DRG stages 1&2 kicked my ass, even after a full run of DRR.

Must have had some shadow material to uncover and integrate that the virtue scripting targeted.

#986

Simple solution. Run Dragon Reborn Red. It’s literally tagged “My Way Is My Own” on the box, as opposed to Dragon Reborn Gold, which says “Reborn Into Honor.” It is confusing to me that people run a title labeled “HERO” or “Dragon Reborn Gold” and then complain about the honorable aspects of them. The purpose of those titles is honorable and virtuous refinement, lol. Both of these titles are for those who fully want to embody these qualities in some form.

So again, we will not be removing the virtue and morality scripting for titles designed to build virtue and morality. That makes no sense.

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#987

I’m not complaining. Ran both and it was well worth it. By the second cycle of ST4 I was refined.

#988

that makes sense I was reading into the nuance of it to much. Thanks

#989

I just want the 8 stager, and maybe an 8 stager for Khan Black, really awaken the Tantric Healer within me…

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#990

I got exactly that with WB and LB… Well at least according to my definition of that.

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#991

I expect the mastery in the new HERO title will be more intense than Origins, Will that mean the morality scripting will get amped up too to match it?

I wonder what direction the virtue scripting will take with the new HERO title. In HeO, it is intensely intertwined with the mastery I focus on. It’s not really spilling much around in contrast.

If I compare it with other subs, HeO’s virtue scripting feels like DRLD with its focus compared to DRR’s holistic approach. Since we’ll have (potentially) 8 stages for the sub, I wonder if we can take the concept broader too alongside it.

I wanted to wait until I’ve gathered more data on this, but since it sounds like the new sub will come sooner than I expected, I’ll just give the suggestion now. What I learned from the past 6 months taught me the value of proactively cultivating the virtues outside of my goals, not just taking action when the opportunities arise, but also actively seeking the opportunity itself. Even if it’s not as intense as what I’ve taken with my main focus.

I hope this can be implemented/amped up in the update for HeO & the new HERO title.

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#992

The virtue scripting isn’t just about morally sound decision making. Taoist philosophy and the Nei gung aspects of the different martial arts make it clear, as do some lesser known Indian ones: the virtues are not “mere” moral principles but energetic attitudes or ways of managing your energy, both internally and externally.

Take honesty for example. The amount of energy or twisting of your energetic field and consciousness in order to believe something you know to be a lie or to transmit something that you know not to be true is huge. Similarly the effect of non-righteous thinking on your being you can feel just as soon as you have a non righteous thought and it begins moving in your meridians. Brahmacharya and the virtues in the Indian system was not mere celibacy, but an entire redirection of the energy away from the desires of the external world like sex, money, fame; that energy was redirected towards self transformation or the development of superhuman abilities through acts of willpower which would not be possible with a divided spirit/energy.

HeO gives you the opportunity to define the virtues however you want, but if you’re serious about reaching a heroic or legendary status in your field, virtue really is indispensable. It doesn’t matter if it causes you internal distress/pain because you’re used to taking the easy road. That just means you still have further to grow in your journey of self mastery. It means the sub is doing what it’s meant to do.

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#993

Not necessarily. It’s more focused on mastery than virtue than ORIGINS. It’s… a different type of title. I really wanted to explain more, but seriously – there’s people just stealing ideas left and right. Given the huge time investment into this title, we simply have to remain quiet for now. I even had a poster made for it that I won’t be releasing until later now.

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#994

This.

Good post all around. I’m very exhausted and having a hard time explaining anything right now.

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#995

We have some interesting responses in the thread to the virtue scripting. So The virtue scripting doesn’t force you to do anything. My understanding is its like a wise mentor whispering in your ear saying things like

You’re better than that you know it
You could take this option and it might change you
You could walk into this combat situation to uphold your honour or you can also choose to walk away

Ultimately at the end of the day you yield the blade. You decide what path to take “Not today I choose to walk away”.

As @emperor_obewan as mentioned an individual might act on You could take this option and it might change you and in effect it can lead to growth.

Continue to do full loops no more recon or mental fatigue. The unbreakable confidence and mental awareness/focus this gives is someting I would love to see in StarkOG as I will eventually go back to it after 2-3 cycles of hero. There again if a new hero product comes out i might go down that path will see.

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#996

@SaintSovereign, can you comment this more? How does this script relate to true “free will” of the user; the idea that morality is, usually, regulated by shame, guilt, fear and the idea that morality is relative. How the “mild morality scripting” is implemented? I’m not asking about trade secrets but about implementation and “true free will” transparency.

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#997

We’ve talked about this plenty of times here that every title has care scripting to prevent abuse of self and others, and every title’s scripting is highly positive with a slight humanitarian angle. As you can see, everyone is still getting their desired results.

I’m not sure what else to say, other than the fact that we’ve discussed this over numerous situations and second, we won’t be changing that ethos under any circumstances.

I’m not sure why now, after years of Implementing the free will scripting, which is listed in the transparency report at the top of the copy in most titles that this is becoming an issue.

But it’s non-negotiable. Our products will not be used for users to overtly harm others or terrorize the public.

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#998

Its good to know.