Main Disc. Thread - HERO Origins: Sage and a Blade (Now Available! Q Core for Customs Available!)

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#986

Simple solution. Run Dragon Reborn Red. It’s literally tagged “My Way Is My Own” on the box, as opposed to Dragon Reborn Gold, which says “Reborn Into Honor.” It is confusing to me that people run a title labeled “HERO” or “Dragon Reborn Gold” and then complain about the honorable aspects of them. The purpose of those titles is honorable and virtuous refinement, lol. Both of these titles are for those who fully want to embody these qualities in some form.

So again, we will not be removing the virtue and morality scripting for titles designed to build virtue and morality. That makes no sense.

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#987

I’m not complaining. Ran both and it was well worth it. By the second cycle of ST4 I was refined.

#988

that makes sense I was reading into the nuance of it to much. Thanks

#989

I just want the 8 stager, and maybe an 8 stager for Khan Black, really awaken the Tantric Healer within me…

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#990

I got exactly that with WB and LB… Well at least according to my definition of that.

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#991

I expect the mastery in the new HERO title will be more intense than Origins, Will that mean the morality scripting will get amped up too to match it?

I wonder what direction the virtue scripting will take with the new HERO title. In HeO, it is intensely intertwined with the mastery I focus on. It’s not really spilling much around in contrast.

If I compare it with other subs, HeO’s virtue scripting feels like DRLD with its focus compared to DRR’s holistic approach. Since we’ll have (potentially) 8 stages for the sub, I wonder if we can take the concept broader too alongside it.

I wanted to wait until I’ve gathered more data on this, but since it sounds like the new sub will come sooner than I expected, I’ll just give the suggestion now. What I learned from the past 6 months taught me the value of proactively cultivating the virtues outside of my goals, not just taking action when the opportunities arise, but also actively seeking the opportunity itself. Even if it’s not as intense as what I’ve taken with my main focus.

I hope this can be implemented/amped up in the update for HeO & the new HERO title.

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#992

The virtue scripting isn’t just about morally sound decision making. Taoist philosophy and the Nei gung aspects of the different martial arts make it clear, as do some lesser known Indian ones: the virtues are not “mere” moral principles but energetic attitudes or ways of managing your energy, both internally and externally.

Take honesty for example. The amount of energy or twisting of your energetic field and consciousness in order to believe something you know to be a lie or to transmit something that you know not to be true is huge. Similarly the effect of non-righteous thinking on your being you can feel just as soon as you have a non righteous thought and it begins moving in your meridians. Brahmacharya and the virtues in the Indian system was not mere celibacy, but an entire redirection of the energy away from the desires of the external world like sex, money, fame; that energy was redirected towards self transformation or the development of superhuman abilities through acts of willpower which would not be possible with a divided spirit/energy.

HeO gives you the opportunity to define the virtues however you want, but if you’re serious about reaching a heroic or legendary status in your field, virtue really is indispensable. It doesn’t matter if it causes you internal distress/pain because you’re used to taking the easy road. That just means you still have further to grow in your journey of self mastery. It means the sub is doing what it’s meant to do.

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#993

Not necessarily. It’s more focused on mastery than virtue than ORIGINS. It’s… a different type of title. I really wanted to explain more, but seriously – there’s people just stealing ideas left and right. Given the huge time investment into this title, we simply have to remain quiet for now. I even had a poster made for it that I won’t be releasing until later now.

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#994

This.

Good post all around. I’m very exhausted and having a hard time explaining anything right now.

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#995

We have some interesting responses in the thread to the virtue scripting. So The virtue scripting doesn’t force you to do anything. My understanding is its like a wise mentor whispering in your ear saying things like

You’re better than that you know it
You could take this option and it might change you
You could walk into this combat situation to uphold your honour or you can also choose to walk away

Ultimately at the end of the day you yield the blade. You decide what path to take “Not today I choose to walk away”.

As @emperor_obewan as mentioned an individual might act on You could take this option and it might change you and in effect it can lead to growth.

Continue to do full loops no more recon or mental fatigue. The unbreakable confidence and mental awareness/focus this gives is someting I would love to see in StarkOG as I will eventually go back to it after 2-3 cycles of hero. There again if a new hero product comes out i might go down that path will see.

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#996

@SaintSovereign, can you comment this more? How does this script relate to true “free will” of the user; the idea that morality is, usually, regulated by shame, guilt, fear and the idea that morality is relative. How the “mild morality scripting” is implemented? I’m not asking about trade secrets but about implementation and “true free will” transparency.

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#997

We’ve talked about this plenty of times here that every title has care scripting to prevent abuse of self and others, and every title’s scripting is highly positive with a slight humanitarian angle. As you can see, everyone is still getting their desired results.

I’m not sure what else to say, other than the fact that we’ve discussed this over numerous situations and second, we won’t be changing that ethos under any circumstances.

I’m not sure why now, after years of Implementing the free will scripting, which is listed in the transparency report at the top of the copy in most titles that this is becoming an issue.

But it’s non-negotiable. Our products will not be used for users to overtly harm others or terrorize the public.

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#998

Its good to know.

#999

It’s all right here:

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#1000

Something tells me that you the only one subliminal producer who actually cares about this things.

And it seems the reason why I feel safe running your products.

Thank you!

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#1001

Aside from what Saint mentioned, I can’t help but mention again the benefits of virtue and morality. You can really look at morality and virtue not from a point of view of “some human or made up god told me to do it”, but from an “it makes good energetic and logical sense” perspective, or even from a game theory perspective.

If you are running subliminals, you probably on some level understand that our thoughts have power. And on a deeper level, thoughts are energy like emotions are, causing fluctuations in our lived conscious experience both internally and externally. Once you can start seeing things from a less trapped-in-the-matrix sense of being, virtue and morality, and even brahmacharya (and when to break that rule) start to make a lot of sense.

That doesn’t mean you necessarily cease to defend yourself or hit back when you are hit. It just means the goal is to seek to be connected to the flow of all life, to be sustained by the fountainhead, and as a result morality naturally happens. But until you get to that point, the principles that have existed throughout our history are there as a guideline.

That’s my perspective anyway, as someone who’s run HeO for a good few cycles and meditated about this shit way too much :wink:

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#1002

Not to mention, the free will and care scripting has been in the titles for YEARS now. There have been no reports — not a single one that suddenly people are allowing themselves to be abused, or they can’t control their own sense of morality.

Forgive me for coming across so annoyed, but the sheer strangeness of coming to the discussion of a title where the major selling point of the title is virtue led mastery, a title essentially named “The Origins of a Hero: A Sage (re: virtue led wisdom) with a Blade,” and then inventing an issue where there was none is beyond odd to me.

@RockyHandsome literally had one day of recon and questioned the virtue scripting, asked if there could be a mastery title without it, then came back and clarified what he was really feeling and suddenly here’s this weirdness starting up.

If any of you don’t want to be exposed to virtue scripting, don’t run HERO. There’s tons of hedonistic titles, titles with fame scripting, hell — we’ve got a title with eggplants in the cover, a title just for getting some head, everything customers have asked for.

… why come to the virtue sub to complain about virtue?

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#1003

I don’t know to whom you were answering @SaintSovereign but my initial post was about you said:

Every title at Subliminal Club contains some form of mild morality scripting , and all the titles have the aim of uplifting humanity on some level.

“Mild morality scripting” is what made me asking because as someone working with systemic issues, conscience and the definition of good and bad, I was interested how this scripting is implemented.

In some cultures beheading their enemies is considered “moral”. We also have a “double standards” phenomena.

So thats was my question initially.

Or you answered to somebody else who runs Hero?… because I’m not running it.

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#1005

Not to you specifically, this topic is flaring up in this particular thread and others.

#1006

Understood.