Main Disc. Thread - Genesis: Mogul (Now Available!)

[ksub]

@Hoppa : Saint said that close to 90% of Emperor is included in HoM. You’re not going to lose anything by running HoM and not Emperor. You will gain a lot of things by running HoM. It is much more business-oriented and has more wealth scripting than Emperor. Don’t confuse HoM social influence with Stark’s social influence. HoM isn’t about fame. HoM is about forging powerful alliances that you can use for pretty much anything. If you want to be an influential person while staying out of the spotlight, HoM is your sub. If you are attracted to becoming a shrewd business negotiator, HoM is your sub. HoM is also a sub for people who want to build family wealth and legacy. Socializing on HoM is more like a diplomat would do than a rockstar would do. You can be an introvert and be very very very influential.

EDIT: @Hoppa : by “socializing like a diplomat”, I mean staying lowkey and negotiating large business deals and powerful alliances that most people don’t even see because you are influential enough to access the key players and those key players know they can trust you because your reputation is good and you know how to operate outside of the spotlight.

EDIT 2: @Hoppa : Here is an example for you, the Hollywood movie industry. The people who are always in the spotlight (actors and entertainers) are actually the least powerful. The people who actually run that industry are rarely seen yet they’re the ones who decide whether billion-dollar deals are made or not and their network and business connections span the planet. That’s the HoM archetype. I’d rather be one of those guys (or something similar) than being an actor who is always in movie trailers hogging the spotlight.

[Jouissance]

@Hoppa

Just wondering between HOM and Emperor. 100% introversion on MBTI makes me wonder if it’s a “lost cause” to be running the more social title

You’re always looking for the advanced wealth title.

But you’re also looking for the title that constantly helps you manage your team to be the best they can possibly be.

That’s HOM.

Maybe your advanced wealth title is HOM. And maybe that’s why it gives you so much recon, or lack of feeling results, or whatever, because it’s your edge, it’s the area that you need to grow at and expand on and get rid of your limiting beliefs around.

I’ve been thinking this for a while, my brotha, because when you’re talking about the most advanced sub in the store, and wanting to build a team, both of those are HOM.

So maybe you run HOM alongside Sanguine Elixir so that elixir can loosen up the beliefs required to run HOM effectively - I know that the Elixir generally helps you align with scripts faster, and in my case, I never got explosive HOM manifestations until I added HOM. Or maybe you add DRLD. Or maybe you stack Genesis: Mogul with HOM so that the ZPv2MAX/NWE scripting can add all the healing that’s needed.

Or maybe you run inner circle or Chosen From Within to reconcile the “i need to inspire my team but i’m also an introvert” beliefs until they’re no longer separate, but until they become “i’m the best person to inspire my team because of all my strengths, including my introversion.”

Introverts are amazing at 1-1 connection, which is what most employees really need, just as one example. You’ll find many others.

But yeah TLDR i think your “advanced” sub isn’t a wealth sub, it’s a team-building sub, and there are many many ways to accomplish that goal with existing titles.

[IndrasNet]

@Jouissance so well said, that definitely helps me better grasp the styles. Going to stick with Stark, especially with an update soon to come. Maybe one day may stack these two.

[Plutus]

Me and @Niles have been getting the craziest results on Genesis: Mogul. Him with sales and me for career/social. Career wise things are happening for me exactly how I wanted them to become. I don’t even have to ask. I just get offered it which never happens until I started using this. If your someone who’s focused is career Genesis: Mogul is a must. Every single person I know who’s used it for that and is getting great results.

Also aura wise, @SaintSovereign maybe it’s just a random coincidence I’m noticing but the aura is extremely powerful if not more powerful then the one in Wanted Black for me for the focus of networking and wealth. I’ve never noticed people treating me so well, being friendly like this and truly treating me like royalty. @Niles has a similar experience where the aura is similar to HoM but 100 times more strong. Whenever I talk or just my presence online and in person it gives off this aura of people wanting to know me, build relationships with me and in conclusion giving off a aura of a high value person. The closes thing I can compare it to is the end goal of the book High Status buy Jason Capital but without actually put much work on what is mentioned in the book. Just things naturally happening according without me trying and the aura just makes it even better.

Not sure if it’s NWE or something else in Genesis: Mogul but I really notice the experience part where I don’t even have to think of doing XYZ action. It just naturally happens as if I always knew it and was always doing it.

[Plutus]

Also my social media has been looking amazing lately during the trip I’m doing right now. A lot of messages coming in, people viewing my story and good photogenic pictures made but I think this is more from Stark.

[Hoppa]

@Jouissance

Or maybe you run inner circle or Chosen From Within to reconcile the “i need to inspire my team but i’m also an introvert” beliefs until they’re no longer separate, but until they become “i’m the best person to inspire my team because of all my strengths, including my introversion.”

Introverts are amazing at 1-1 connection, which is what most employees really need, just as one example. You’ll find many others.

But yeah TLDR i think your “advanced” sub isn’t a wealth sub, it’s a team-building sub, and there are many many ways to accomplish that goal with existing titles.

You get me wrong. I don’t have any problems with team building or inspiring them. I’m great at it. I don’t have any problems getting them to buy into my vision. Or hiring the right people. The right people just seem to drop out of nowhere just when I need them.

I mentioned the team building part for the benefit of others.

The only thing I’m looking for my team is the manifestation part. And it seems RICH is great for it.

I also have no problems talking with the local politicians or business people. Emperor has dealt with that a long time ago. I mentioned the win-win x5, because from my experience those are important connections. Again for the benefit of others here.

@Jouissance

So maybe you run HOM alongside Sanguine Elixir so that elixir can loosen up the beliefs required to run HOM effectively - I know that the Elixir generally helps you align with scripts faster, and in my case, I never got explosive HOM manifestations until I added HOM. Or maybe you add DRLD. Or maybe you stack Genesis: Mogul with HOM so that the ZPv2MAX/NWE scripting can add all the healing that’s needed.

Yes. Exactly this. If I stagnate with my wealth goals, I want to run a separate healing title just for getting rid of the block.

With the advanced title I mean I don’t need any scripting for direction or getting started etc. Just drop the scripting for those and I’ll be fine.

Now. With all that been said, HOM very well might be the title I need to run.

Edit: I gave it some more thought. Why do I want the advanced title.

I got the best results when I run single stack. I believe in simplicity. Make the sub as light and simple as possible, with only the parts that I need. Like Lean. Cut away everything unnecessary, the waste.

In any case, I highly appreciate the input from both @Jouissance and @ksub . Helps me to hone my thinking.

[Jouissance]

@Calypso

Sales is for example interesting but I refuse to sell garbage. I’m not interested in learning how to sell “anything” to “anyone” purely for wealth gain because I have grown beyond acts of silliness like that. My nature is philanthropic, the product or service would need to be valuable to humanity and society as a whole and fairly valued. I don’t believe in overvaluing your work and thinking you can cheat the laws that govern life itself.

Most of the world is a scam and fraud on many levels.

sounds like the recon hit hard because you have some painful beliefs about money.

@Calypso

So employment wise I will probably never be fully driven and fulfilled serving most jobs.

@Calypso

I basically can’t find any happiness in employing myself towards a cause that is not working towards the greater good of all.

For example if you read the book “So Good They Can’t Ignore You” by Cal Newport, you’ll see an alternative perspective to workplace happiness and I’m inclined to think you’ll agree with a lot of the message in the book.

@Calypso

My happiness lies in self-employment so I can serve my own vision.

I think this is… often true, for a lot of people… but you’re stating subjective possibility like it’s objective fact - there’s NOTHING wrong with that, but stating possibilities/subjectivities as fact is how I know it’s a strongly held belief, and it’s the beliefs we cling on to the most because we believe they’re truths, not beliefs, that cause us the most pain.

[SaintSovereign]

@Jouissance

But you’re also looking for the title that constantly helps you manage your team to be the best they can possibly be.

That’s HOM.

I was actually thinking this last night, but I decided to wait to see what comes out of NFTW. I’m thinking he may want something between “beginner” and HoM. Thing is, with the NWE, every title becomes a beginner and advanced title, as it depends on the user’s skill instead of just the contents of the script.

[Jouissance]

@SaintSovereign

I’m thinking he may want something between “beginner” and HoM

Damn you’re making a sub just for @Hoppa

God bless sub club

[Hoppa]

@Hoppa

Edit: I gave it some more thought. Why do I want the advanced title.

I got the best results when I run single stack. I believe in simplicity. Make the sub as light and simple as possible, with only the parts that I need. Like Lean. Cut away everything unnecessary, the waste.

Here’s what I’m looking for.

Not a more complicated title. More streamlined one.

I might be wrong, but the Billionaire stack mentioned on the RICH sales page looks pretty intense.

I would like to be running something else too, like health related titles.

By cutting away the “newbie” stuff, it would make the stack lighter.

Now, this is just a theory as I do not know how the subs actually work. Maybe the new tech already works like this?

In any case, just giving my ideas, based on the understanding I have.

[James]

So EOG will become a beginner and advanced title as well?

[Hoppa]

Sent a PM.

[SaintSovereign]

@James

So EOG will become a beginner and advanced title as well?

It’s the nature of the NWE. It starts helping you at your current knowledge / skill level. Someone with a successful business would get drastically different results than someone starting out – and those results are unique to them. It’s the same sub, yet the scripting hits different for every person depending on their own needs.

[James]

Yet it will build as a person grows correct?

If so it reminds me of something I read in a Magick book back in 2019

[Saiyan4Blue]

I may have a unique perspective to this introversion talk. Long time ago i was on the outmost extreme of introvert. I have always been proud but my self esteem was equally as low as my social battery. Instead of accepting it. I was judged and gaslighted into beliving that i should not have any problems. So i approached hundreds of people in order to learn to be social and to learn swedish, since i am an immigrant, and through hundreds of cringy situations and soul crushing failed interactions.

I learned that it was partially a matter of self esteem. Because after learning to accept myself i did not become more social. I simply disliked it less. The real reason is that most people are boring. Thier conversations are mundane and there is hardly anything to learn if you are someone that requires mental stimulation. I rarly meet anyone who adds anything i dont already know. Through experience i and smart inquiry i learned how to filter out the boring people. Others i had to steer the conversations in a way that energized me. For the rare few it felt natural.

I believe this is what happens to anyone who actively seeks knowledge. The more you learn the less intresting people become unless a shift in perspective is made or learning to be fully in the moment.

[James]

I had some good things happen today that weren’t related to money but we’re very positive experiences

I also had this feeling go through my mind more than once that shit will work out

[Hoppa]

I’m not asking for a title only I can run. I understand quite well that if the audience for the so called advanced wealth title (the way I want it to be) is too small, there’s no point in making one.

But since this season is about NWE and upgrading all the wealth titles, I’m giving my opinion. That’s what the forum is for, as far as I know.

If what I am asking for is not necessary, because the NWE deals with it anyway, then it’s enough for me.

I am very passionate about this topic, because I have gained so much from the subs. And I want others here to get the same great results.

However, if my opinion or feedback is not needed or wanted, just tell me so.

Edit: I can handle it if I’m told that it’s not needed. All I have to do is go cry myself into sleep in some corner. I’ll be fine in a day or two

[RagnarLothbrok]

The sales calls today are better than yesterday, yesterday people were not interested so i changed the way i start the conversation and my explanation, today most people had a better reaction to my calls they sounded more interested and even thanked me and even thanked me for the explanation (never happened before).

Slowly im starting to become more positive about the product and the price and i know that eventually i will sell one and when i sell one i will sell plenty, i just need to figure out the best approach.

Im sure when i add LE my selling skills will be insane (i know this because i follow @Jouissance journals)

[Banc]

It’s the nature of the NWE. It starts helping you at your current knowledge / skill level. Someone with a successful business would get drastically different results than someone starting out – and those results are unique to them. It’s the same sub, yet the scripting hits different for every person depending on their own needs.

Seems then the new technology will make quite a difference in Emperor titles, since they seem to be the most unforgiving of the bunch to people who stand at the bottom

[BeingNeo]

@SaintSovereign do these newer wealth subs (NR, GM) also have something for intelligence/cognition? I often wonder why intellect and the speed at which one can absorb and then apply knowledge is not discussed when wealth generation is being discussed. Is there a gap in my understanding or perception about wealth generation?