Main Disc. Thread - EMPEROR: The Will to Power (Free Upgrade Now Available!)

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#262

IMO HS and TWTP should directly make the listener aware if the relationship is a stumbling block? Otherwise, it doesn’t seem like the listener’s being empowered, but living a life directed by others’ definition of power.

(When I was on TWTP, and IC+YANA in a custom, a ‘bro’ came to me telling me to stay away from others, he’s the only one I can trust and count on because he’s my ‘bro’… so I should work on his interests which are totally in my interests and he’s planned my next year for my sake. I jotted every encounter I had with that guy the last two years and the pattern was the same, just less blatant)

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Subs to thrive in toxic work environment?
#263

Interesting. Something similar happened in my life too. If you are okay with sharing, how was the impact his advice on your life?

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#264

His warnings about others were initially accurate, since he walked into traps (I was his confidant when things were hard for him). Later it became everyone he doesn’t know is untrustworthy, only he and whoever he ‘vets’ are, yet someone he introduced as ‘solid’ blatantly pulled stunts throughout our first meeting.

As for his own plans ‘for me’, either I remarked on how it would be actually bad for me and it died, or my (used to be our) supervisor put his foot down so he couldn’t say much. We used to work together and I was the one to touch the code for his ideas, part of why he keeps finding me when he wants to stick his hand in again. It wasn’t just me either - another colleague experienced the same planning-for-him that went against his interests.

As I mentioned I was his confidant when things were hard for him, but realised later that the reverse was transactional. Can’t say I’m happy about what I became aware of, but this one I managed to mask it and just reminded myself of the benefits of maintaining it.

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#265

Eerily similar - I resonate with the whole post.

Thank you for your reply.

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#266

I cannot stand leechy individuals like that, usually a very strong fuck off is my method to them and doing anything for them until they pay back the effort.

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#267

The other colleague did that, albeit more civilly. For me when I called people out they doubled down, so with him I focused on the “plan” details or relied on the supervisor’s authority :sweat_smile:. Have a long way to go with my own social competence.

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#271

I think all political and business people read and use the laws … Especially someone like Trump
Honestly he has a few decent books on business deals or so i’ve heard

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#273

Im certain many of generational wealth families use a lot of spiritual tech whether objects or pacts/covenants for power, wealth, protection.

Trump getting unscathed from those assassination attemps looks exactly like how spiritual protection manifests in the material.

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#274

You might be onto something. I had read that there had been atleast 42 assassination attempts on Hitler that we know of (real number might be even higher). You don’t foil that many attempts on your life just by a mere coincidence imho

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#275

Has anyone experienced a surge of power or energy while on this sub? I ran my first loop yesterday morning and in the evening I felt a clear influx of power or energy in my chest. Almost got worried that something might be happening to my heart, but I intuitively felt that it was a positive manifestation from the sub. It was so interesting. Almost like being hooked up to some electrical lines but not painful. Lol. Maybe it literally was bringing more energy or power into my subtle energy body. Upgrading my aura?

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#276

Emperor: TWTP has very little (if any, I have to look) energy scripting. I would say an energetic blockage was cleared. Were you just coming out of recon?

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#277

Yes I believe so. That’s very interesting.

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#278

@SaintSovereign Does this include the 50 law?

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#279

@AnswerGroup

It seems like a common occurrence that after a cycle or two people report they feel “padpranoid about constant attempts at manipulation.” And then drop the sub.

@niles mentioned that in this thread. A few others have as well.

What would you guess that is? Just a recon phase? Or, maybe a part of their brain is consciously constantly assessing for power plays, before the brain learns to make those assessments subconsciously?

I’m assuming that paranoia would pass after a few more cycles, right? But what would it turn into

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#280

I think this has something to do with the fact that every relationship likely has some kind of power dynamic at play, even if it’s subconsciously.

And WTP makes people notice it, which in turn makes them on edge

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#281

I think recon hits hard with this title in the sense that one realizes just how bad they’ve been screwed. In extreme cases they find themselves in a situation that requires breaking their chains of bondage in brute force fashion.

I see this being a useful title for starting a new job or position, preferably a full cycle in prior to start date.

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#282

Spot on, doesn’t seem to be the case for everyone who runs it, and for some having the awareness around social dynamics is extremely powerful. For me, it comes in the forum of over analyzing every bodies intentions and that’s where the paranoia stems from. I don’t think being hyper aware of that is always a bad thing, like when meeting new meeting, in a work environment, etc. What I don’t like is being on guard and over thinking my personal relationships. I have a pretty strong relationship with my friends and family, but with TWTP I find I become skeptical of people who genuinely care about me and I don’t think that’s the healthiest.

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#283

You become skeptic only in the beginning of EWTP, eventually you know who you can trust and who you can’t.

Maybe you trust your friends now, you use EWTP and you become skeptic, you may realize that the people you trusted cannot be trusted like you have thought and maybe you will realize that they can be trusted which will make you trust them even more.

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#284

I think it gets very philosophical.
I think trust and not trust are constructs on some level
We can experience betrayal when someone puts their values over ours
there are subtle ways in which close friends probably struggle or have inner conflict around doing well by each other.

Greene says we can’t escape the game of power.
I’m reading the 48 laws for the second time, and so many of them are extreme.
They are erring on and using the worst in human nature and as a real part of most human beings there is an intelligence in that.

Adam Grant has a philosophy that says-over give and trust with everyone, the few rotten apples who make would take advantage of it are so rare it’s not worth the loss of not being that kind of person in the world. You will succeed and get more out of trusting consistently than not trusting.
I’m paraphrasing but it’s something like that.

That says there is a ALOT of really cool stuff in 48 laws that is very useful in many environments and I’m curious to further test TWTP someday.

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#285

100% there’s a lot of good things about TWTP, and some people may have had a lot of experiences being manipulated/trauma/etc where they have to go almost the other direction and on the offensive.

I personally however didn’t enjoy going into every interaction thinking about power dynamics and how I could influence someone or if they were trying to manipulate me, felt very dark-triade and like an unenjoyable way to live. I’m also normally the higher status/less needy person in most of my relationships though, so for me it just felt like it was pushing things too far.

While the power game is for sure always in play, I think there are times when it is worth playing (corporate, career, business, politics), and times where focusing on it can significantly lower your enjoyment and experience of life (out for beers with friends, trips with your siblings, etc) and while running TWTP those were challenging for me to separate.

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