You might be onto something. I had read that there had been atleast 42 assassination attempts on Hitler that we know of (real number might be even higher). You don’t foil that many attempts on your life just by a mere coincidence imho
7 Likes
Has anyone experienced a surge of power or energy while on this sub? I ran my first loop yesterday morning and in the evening I felt a clear influx of power or energy in my chest. Almost got worried that something might be happening to my heart, but I intuitively felt that it was a positive manifestation from the sub. It was so interesting. Almost like being hooked up to some electrical lines but not painful. Lol. Maybe it literally was bringing more energy or power into my subtle energy body. Upgrading my aura?
3 Likes
Emperor: TWTP has very little (if any, I have to look) energy scripting. I would say an energetic blockage was cleared. Were you just coming out of recon?
4 Likes
Yes I believe so. That’s very interesting.
1 Like
It seems like a common occurrence that after a cycle or two people report they feel “padpranoid about constant attempts at manipulation.” And then drop the sub.
@niles mentioned that in this thread. A few others have as well.
What would you guess that is? Just a recon phase? Or, maybe a part of their brain is consciously constantly assessing for power plays, before the brain learns to make those assessments subconsciously?
I’m assuming that paranoia would pass after a few more cycles, right? But what would it turn into
2 Likes
I think this has something to do with the fact that every relationship likely has some kind of power dynamic at play, even if it’s subconsciously.
And WTP makes people notice it, which in turn makes them on edge
2 Likes
I think recon hits hard with this title in the sense that one realizes just how bad they’ve been screwed. In extreme cases they find themselves in a situation that requires breaking their chains of bondage in brute force fashion.
I see this being a useful title for starting a new job or position, preferably a full cycle in prior to start date.
2 Likes
Spot on, doesn’t seem to be the case for everyone who runs it, and for some having the awareness around social dynamics is extremely powerful. For me, it comes in the forum of over analyzing every bodies intentions and that’s where the paranoia stems from. I don’t think being hyper aware of that is always a bad thing, like when meeting new meeting, in a work environment, etc. What I don’t like is being on guard and over thinking my personal relationships. I have a pretty strong relationship with my friends and family, but with TWTP I find I become skeptical of people who genuinely care about me and I don’t think that’s the healthiest.
4 Likes
You become skeptic only in the beginning of EWTP, eventually you know who you can trust and who you can’t.
Maybe you trust your friends now, you use EWTP and you become skeptic, you may realize that the people you trusted cannot be trusted like you have thought and maybe you will realize that they can be trusted which will make you trust them even more.
2 Likes
I think it gets very philosophical.
I think trust and not trust are constructs on some level
We can experience betrayal when someone puts their values over ours
there are subtle ways in which close friends probably struggle or have inner conflict around doing well by each other.
Greene says we can’t escape the game of power.
I’m reading the 48 laws for the second time, and so many of them are extreme.
They are erring on and using the worst in human nature and as a real part of most human beings there is an intelligence in that.
Adam Grant has a philosophy that says-over give and trust with everyone, the few rotten apples who make would take advantage of it are so rare it’s not worth the loss of not being that kind of person in the world. You will succeed and get more out of trusting consistently than not trusting.
I’m paraphrasing but it’s something like that.
That says there is a ALOT of really cool stuff in 48 laws that is very useful in many environments and I’m curious to further test TWTP someday.
3 Likes
100% there’s a lot of good things about TWTP, and some people may have had a lot of experiences being manipulated/trauma/etc where they have to go almost the other direction and on the offensive.
I personally however didn’t enjoy going into every interaction thinking about power dynamics and how I could influence someone or if they were trying to manipulate me, felt very dark-triade and like an unenjoyable way to live. I’m also normally the higher status/less needy person in most of my relationships though, so for me it just felt like it was pushing things too far.
While the power game is for sure always in play, I think there are times when it is worth playing (corporate, career, business, politics), and times where focusing on it can significantly lower your enjoyment and experience of life (out for beers with friends, trips with your siblings, etc) and while running TWTP those were challenging for me to separate.
2 Likes
It could be Baader-Meinhof Effect, perhaps due to a combination of things (conscious guidance and/or recon?), priming and the primacy effect.
Primacy
5 Likes
From looking at the script, it’s not “paranoia.” You just become extremely aware of how manipulative people are even in casual conversation. Depending on the person, this can be a hard burden to carry.
This.
This.
It is. The best way to deal with this is to deeply understand that at this level of human evolution, we generally all speak using symbology from a personal, innate mythology that we have developed from our life experiences. Something as simple as a dog means something different to everyone. And this is the natural by-product of trying to convert something that’s invisible and formless (internal emotions and state) into form (language).
You can never quite describe an emotion truly. We can use words like “I’m angry,” but that’s never quite fits what’s going on inside. There is anger, yes – but there are also emotions that run deeper, that merges and fuses together. Just ask anyone who has felt like they were abused by another and finally musters enough anger to fight it. There’s something liberating about that feeling, something almost euphoric.
In order to communicate that idea, people generally will attempt to invoke the same emotion within you through their words, which (rightfully) comes across as “manipulation.” But not all of it is conscious or intentional, it’s simply their mode of operation.
E:WTP helps you see through the outer form of expression (the words they are using) and instead pick up intuitively on the inner meaning or purpose of what’s being said. That discrepancy could potentially induce a feeling of uneasiness or recon as you navigate having new heightened senses on such matters.
To help mitigate this, you can always use microloops to slowly adjust. You can also employ very direct language in professional affairs, or any issue that requires diplomacy. I employ this all the time in my personal life and it worked well when I was testing E:WTP. You strip all emotionality out of the form of expression and instead rely on very logical, precise communication:
“No. I will not take that action for the following reason. [List reasons]. If you can provide me with empirical or tangible evidence as to why that course of action should be avoided, I am open to it. But if your decision is being made upon a “hunch” or emotions, I cannot comply.”
While this is an exaggerated example, the key thing to note here is the “finality” of the decision, leaving no room for manipulation, and forcing the individual to reveal their true intentions – they’ll either get mad and try to impose their will by force (not necessarily physical, but more trying to drive the same points that you already rejected), or they will respond with logical information and data that you can then act upon.
25 Likes
I found E:WTP would run in the background after a few loops. And while I’d be become aware of someone trying to manipulate me, it was easy to let things play out. It’s surprising how many people (friends/family and some colleagues) just wanted to spend time with me. Which in itself was humbling.
Other times the attempts at manipulation were amusing. Just because you know what’s happening doesn’t mean you have to show your hand.
After a very short time I would spot things in tv and movies, and learned a lot from seeing the dance in real time from day-to-day life. I had a lot of Alice in Wonderland moments, love this sub. Would love to pair it with the new HoM or….maybe even Alchemist: Singularity.
It can be jarring initially once the blinders get pulled off, but worth it in my opinion.
5 Likes
I’ve done about an hour of journaling spread across three sessions specifically on my social interactions (and subliminals) and came to the conclusion that in order to be “socially successful” with any other sub, first I need to run an extended run of TWTP.
I’m a little bit “naive.” In work contexts, it’s the worst, where I just do NOT know how to play office politics in the slightest. Even outside of work and into social domains though, I struggle.
I ran daredevil for a while and the recon on it was INTENSE for me - in a way, I knew that being the center of attention and telling a story, etc, was a bit risky for me because I crumble under attention sometimes and revert to my awkward overly-energetic ways.
That’s why I need TWTP. I’m already very social. Very well liked. Very good at being “popular” or “storytelling” or “valuable” or “interesting” or the life of the party… but then once I feel like I gained some power/respect in the social dynamic i’m in, I treat that as an invitation to stop presenting my best self and start presenting my silliest self. I become the powerful person, and then lose it.
If I don’t run TWTP before Daredevil, I’ll storytell, but never know the right time to story tell. If I don’t run TWTP before Khan, I’ll have all this social and sexual dominance, but I’ll use it in ways that will help me win the battles and lose the war. I’ll use it to win an argument, not respect. I’ll use it to win attraction, at the cost of my social standing.
Even with Inner Circle… I manifested a job from Inner Circle that was my DREAM job. 9 months later, when I got fired, I realized I needed TWTP to keep that dream job. I had run TWTP (it was Power Can Corrupt back then) about 5 months into the job, and from my very first loop realized how people had manipulated me and how I had’t leveraged my opportunities right. I improved the situation, but it was too late, and I got fired, which wouldn’thave happened if I had done an extended run of PCC/TWTP from the beginning.
So now, before I run ANY social subs, I’m running TWTP till I feel like I’ve mastered this domain
14 Likes
So, will you be running ETWTP at this time?
1 Like
yes, ran a loop last week because i was already getting this intuition, and ran another loop today, on the last day of my cycle. 5 day washout and then my stack will be simple.
TWTP + Chosen-IC-NWE (custom).
Once I’ve got that under my belt, Khan stages 1/2 is the plan for 2025. We’ll see about 3/4, but 1/2 are committed to.
2 Likes
Anyone used it in romantic, seduction, approach context ?
Probably not it’s best use, though the scripting is there.
5 Likes