Great book to go with this great sub 
the book oversimplifies the complexities of financial independence and underestimates the challenges involved in network marketing. While the appeal of financial freedom through passive income is undeniable, success in network marketing requires significant effort, skills in leadership and team building, and not just the desire to escape traditional employment.
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Lmao it’s literally a funnel into his own network marketing… the book is a lead magnet
Now that Dragon Reborn is here, I’m starting to get excited at the prospect of a new version of HoM and possibly coupling it DR Gold. That would be Enlightened Wealthy Leadership And Deep Relationship Building!
@SaintSovereign : What say you?
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We wait for the EOG/RICH upgrade, then those improvements/ lessons will be integrated into
HoM. Best for last
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About to make more customs that incorporate HOM and EOG.
Do we know if there will be any updates on these within a month @Forum_Ambassadors ?
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We have no idea, my friend. I could be wrong but my guess is that it will take more than a month for those updates.
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THey must be revamping these subs, because Wanted Black took like a week to get NSE updates after SSX came out.
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I love HoM. But it’s also the sub I struggle with the most.
I’m not sure whether it actually is recon, or just me running into limitations because I’m not yet at a place where I can utilize it as much as I desire.
I assume that this automatically is addressed when HoM gets the NWE.
But with that said, (since I feel like it’s missing) I want something for reaching the CEO/CFO/Owner level where HoM shines the most.
Since I accidentally posted this without finishing, I’ll edit it later with some extra suggestions.
The first thing that comes to mind is using the resources of people one meets for wealth generation. Not just deal-making but partnership using someone else’s resources (OPM) and making the project work through grit and financial engineering. (Cashflow management)
The second is about investment management. I think the best word for it is capital allocation, knowing what and who to allocate your capital towards. (Requires a good BS detector). This would then also include debt usage. How debt can increase your returns. How inflation erodes your debt over time and how the compounding effect from investing vs paying off debt works wonders. (In general, unless your interest is over 8%/yr - it’s mathematically better over 20yrs+ to invest that cashflow rather than amortize the loan)
The third idea I have a harder time expressing, it’s along the lines of either tax-offshoring and or utilizing resources/connections to impact the politics where your company might be exempt, etc. Legalized monopoly, or legalized competitive advantages.
Fourth, I think HoM has something along the lines of a supportive (romantic) partner. Otherwise, I reckon that should be added, but I don’t want it to be as romantically inclined as Emperor/Stark Black.
Fifth is sort of an expansion on the legacy part. Where you want to embody an ideal that is larger than life. This I guess sort of involves reputation management to some degree.
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Ran HOM for over a year as a CEO/Founder so I can chime in.
To become a CEO, Emperor or Stark Black are both good choices if grit and services are provided. HOM would be the right choice if you’re going network/OPM/deals to become a CEO from the beginning. HOM is the best team leader by far of the 3.
All of this is in HOM more or less. Inner circle to meet people and create partnerships. Grit is in HOM because it has the entire emperor script inside it. However, it’s one small part of a very large sub.
that’ll be in HOM.
This’ll be directly in HOM (there’s a bit in objectives or copy that not all debt is bad.)
HOM has lots of scripting around getting better at trading markets and managing money, in many ways, it’s literally a legacy sub, so things like passive investments working for 50+ years is absolutely something covered. However, HOM is a sub (like any sub) that enhances intuition, interests, motivations, and cognition so that things are easier to learn. They’re not going to literally teach you math. They’ll just make you good at learning math. So, if you’re interested in this, study it. You’ll learn it quickly.
Inner circle will cover all financial-related connections. And, again, if you want a very specific legal code, HOM will give you the intuition, interest, motivation to get there, but you need to take action on it specifically.
It does.
Not sure if the “legacy part” needs to be expanded because that’s literally the whole sub, lol, but financially. Reputation management is ABSOLUTELY in HOM. It’s one of the best “close deals” subs out there. For the “embodying an ideal larger than life” I think there’s many.ways to do that, all I’ll say is there’s many ways to leave a legacy.
You could leave a legacy by the mark your personality made in the world, where your name is attributed to all kinds of good feelings and contributions… That’s Stark Black’s fame.
You could leave a legacy by financially becoming so unbelievably rich that your great-grandchildren all have advantages in life and get in to the best schools/careers because of the generational wealth you created… that’s HOM.
And then there’s the “becoming an ideal” or living for something greater, altruistic, philosophical, to be known as the guy who made the world a better place because of his commitment to the principles, the ideals, the virtues, “the people,” equality, etc… That’s Chosen. (I actually proposed a Chosen Black not too long ago that combines the priorities of Chosen with the fame/legacy building of Stark Black).
It’s interesting that the things you want in HOM are ALL in HOM… like I said, subs help you prioritize, become interested and motivated in, and have a stronger intuition around what the topic of the sub is, and HOM is meant to help with things like everything you said. SO I think the sub is doing it’s job - it’s priming you up to prioritize, be interested in, and be motivated in that kind of stuff. Now you just have to do the work of following your interests.
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Appreciate the response 
I would agree that most of what I listed is included in some sense already in HoM, I do think that I put in new nuances or additions, that aren’t included (that I want expanded on).
I’m sure you and many others here have seen how Musk, Bezos, and many others of the b/millionaires borrow money with stocks as safety for low interest rates to buy houses, cars, etc.
Did you also know that this can be done when you’re as low as 10k in total capital (will differ from region to region)?
This essentially means that you can get a positive return on your expenses. You get this by “arbitraging” the difference between your interest rate, and the yearly return by investing your paycheck immediately. You will pay 3-5% in interest, but you will get 7% in return from the market (historically). If you perform better the math is of course better.
This is a net return of 2-4%/yr, on something that previously would never have gotten you any returns. Since you also beat inflation, on a 10-year horizon any debt you have will have its value diminished relative to your portfolio by 20% (2% yearly inflation). Extend this to 20yrs and you’re looking at 50%.
This introduces leverage, and risk follows. I would not recommend anyone doing so without doing research or having a financial advisor, I wouldn’t go over 25% leverage, but it’s a neat little trick most people know about (Bezos, Musk using stocks) but haven’t seen how they can implement it to their own life. If you use credit cards you can also delay your borrowing so that you save 1-2 months of interest. In effect paying 10 months of interest, for a 12-month stock-market return. Next year the compounding has started, and inflation has worked off 2% of your debt.
I haven’t seen anyone who has used HoM to consider using debt, except in trading or buying houses/PE. Hence why I wanted an expansion on debt usage.
As I said, I love HoM because the idea, “archetype” behind it fits me to a T. What I “struggle” with in regards to HoM is that the focus (for me, at least) constantly is on planning for 5-20 years ahead, not on what I can do now to get there. Or rather, it does not seem to have the urgency to get started now, to prepare for the years ahead.
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You’re considering using debt, EXTENSIVELY. RIGHT NOW.
So… you are the use-case you’re looking for. You’re already getting this result.
I just also don’t think we have a whole lot of billionaires sharing their financial plans with plebians like us forum dwellers, if there are even any which run SC subliminals, which I can’t say I’ve ever heard of.
Is it the only sub you’re running? You could stack to accomodate that.
EDIT: saw your past posts… you used to run RICH. You could do that again. RICH is all about the here-and-now.
There’s also Limitless Executive and NeW Emperor. New Emperor would have NSE, which would influence HOM.
There’s also Mind’s Eye which will come out tomorrow. One of the features of Mind’s Eye is “visualizing every step of your 5-20 year plan so you know every step that needs to be taken to get there” or something to that effect (paraphrased).
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I’ve been using debt this way for a year, but yes I suppose I am looking at scaling it up even more.
I never said I was not getting results? I definitively am, but I was highlighting things that I think could improve HoM, in preparation for it getting an upgrade.
As per my stacks/situation:
I am running 3 subs already, I have seen your thoughts about LE and it is one sub I have considered, it would probably be my go-to once HoM has NWE.
RICH focuses mainly on maxing existing pathways per my understanding, not on enlarging these pathways or creating new ones.
Once Rich/HoM/EoG all have had their NWE upgrades, I am very tempted to run a custom with these 3, but unfortunately, I think we’re still some 6months off from that.
I know you’re getting results. That’s my whole point. You’re getting the exact results you’re suggesting.
Mogul is updated to NWE and last I heard, EOG was slated to be finished before 2025… although I think that might be delaeyd now
@bobby I see where you’re coming from, but I believe HoM is already a masterpiece in its design. Its strength lies in its ability to create a balance between long-term vision and the intuitive actions needed to start building that legacy today. The scripting appears to naturally guide users toward opportunities that align with their goals, while sharpening the cognitive tools necessary to act decisively.
The brilliance of HoM is its holistic approach—merging the strategic foresight of a dynasty builder with the immediate social and financial skills to execute in the present. It primes the mind not just to think bigger but to act smarter, leveraging resources, relationships, and intuition to create compounding results over time.
Rather than adding or changing anything, I think the real key is for users to trust the process. HoM has a way of revealing its depth over time, often in ways we can’t immediately quantify. Sometimes, the best enhancement is simply consistency in use and faith in the subtle yet powerful shifts it creates. Would you agree?
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I do agree that using the sub consistently is a good thing. I do agree that there are shifts that are not visible/conscious.
But do you not agree, that HoM (or any sub) can be improved? You might disagree on how, but surely there is room to improve the subliminal somehow? How else would we have gone from Emperor v1-v4, Emperor Q-Qv2, Emperor ZP, ZP2, and eventually “New Emperor”?
I don’t believe in “perfections”, I believe there is always room for improvement.
The ideas I laid forth may not be worthwhile to implement, they may already be covered - that is fine. But I do think that HoM could be improved. I also want HoM to be improved, so if any of my suggestions spark an idea in either of S&F’s heads that allows them to improve HoM, I’m satisfied.
The most important thing (I’m aware of) will be covered when HoM gets the NSE upgrade. Where the scripting will seem more natural, and the topics get introduced at the user’s own “level”. But if there is room for improvement in the upcoming upgrade besides NSE, would we not want that?
I appreciate your perspective, and I absolutely agree that improvement is always possible. The evolution of Emperor from v1 to ZP2, and eventually New Emperor, proves that refinement and innovation are constant in this space. However, when I referred to HoM as a ‘masterpiece in its design,’ I meant that its foundational architecture is already remarkably balanced, intricate, and effective in achieving its stated goals.
What makes HoM exceptional is its ability to synthesize complex, multidimensional objectives into a cohesive whole. It doesn’t just aim to create wealth or relationships; it merges these ambitions with deeper psychological and intuitive development. The focus on analytical precision, social mastery, and legacy-building forms a rare triad that very few tools achieve simultaneously. This holistic approach ensures that users are not only equipped with skills but also the mindset, intuition, and motivation to apply those skills meaningfully.
For instance, the way HoM primes users to develop long-term strategic thinking while enhancing their ability to act in the present is no small feat. Its scripting seems designed to encourage a deep understanding of nuanced concepts like leveraging resources, creating networks, and fostering trust, which are not just tactical skills but enduring, legacy-building traits.
That said, perfection may not exist, but striving for it is always valuable. Your ideas about refining short-term action steps or scaling debt strategies are insightful because they touch on the actionable bridges between vision and execution. Similarly, the upcoming NSE upgrade—where scripting adapts naturally to the user’s level—will elevate HoM to an even more dynamic tool for growth.
To me, HoM’s current design is akin to a masterpiece because of how well it integrates such diverse and ambitious objectives. Still, every masterpiece can be revisited with fresh eyes, and if the upcoming updates incorporate even a fraction of the ideas sparked by discussions like this, it will only solidify its place as a transformative tool.
So yes, I agree with you—improvement is always worth pursuing. But I also believe that acknowledging HoM’s current brilliance helps us appreciate the foundation on which any future evolution will stand. It’s not about settling for what exists but rather building on something already extraordinary.
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I’m building a custom with jobseeker and One Purpose, would that be beneficial with * Develop your political / statesman abilities (if you have any). I have never really thought about politics but a position within that may really help with a lot of goals… has there been many positions gained with this sub?
Reading the descriptions, I don’t know if those two really go well together.
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Understood