Main Disc. Thread - Dragon Reborn Multistage + Ultima

#1496

Yes I kind of started doing that last year, I started reading different materials and books like the nice guy book and also did hypno therapy.

Abstaining from PMO has also tremendously helped me, from increasing my self confidence to masculinity and also being able to stand up for myself and slowly trying to bring my suppressed emotions on to surface. I always numbed them ever since I discovered porn and masturbation. From reading different forums and Reddit stuff and yt videos I started basically self diagnosing and why I was the way I was, why I always overthink things and think too much sometimes. By taking the 16 personalities I also found out about that, I always think too much in my head and it bothers, even small details, I’ve found out it’s a double edged sword because deep thinking is good as well but it can be a toll on your mental health. I took Psychology in school for this reason and find out about how trauma works and what people do to escape them, I started noticing that in my own patterns of behaviour and that’s where I discovered about nofap, no PMO all that.
Since I started being complete celibate it has changed my life for much better. However, I still have those issues and I thought with the help of subs I can change them or erase them in due time. My goal is also to be PMO free for another 5 years. I’ve read countless of success stories and I’m so driven that to erase bad habits that I try new stuff every month. I quit coffee because I started cold showers, I quit weed and replaced it with being more devoted my religion Islam :slight_smile:

I have done many things and gave up lots of vices these past 2 years. So my last challenge remaining is the deep rooted traumas and avoiding conflict that’s left. I still believe in due time it’ll be eradicated, I’m sure of that. Just kind of disappointed that its starting not to be with the help of subs. BUT, like always being a doctor of myself, il find ways. I always do

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#1497

An active journey.

You’ve been vigorous.

What does releasing the trauma mean to you? Changes in your thoughts? In your memories? In your behaviors? How do you imagine things in your life will look and feel when the trauma is released? What would be the critical details that would let you know that, ‘yes. It has been released. It is now behind me.’ ?

#1498

I guess when I don’t like something or what someone says I can confidently make eye contact, object and express my own view and opinion. Instead of being quite. That to me in a nutshell is releasing my trauma or being healed. Guess what users that did the Khan journey would say. Be my own best version and not let anyone’s opinion not only bother me but also communicate my own values to them and expressing myself in a extremely assertive manner. I’ve found out that not having a good father figure/absent one/weak one/abusive one is the issue for most of these things. To my knowledge at least.

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#1499

There is one thing I learned that all so called “Alpha” males have in common. From childhood they had an involved strong communicative and assertive father figure. The traits that an alpha male has nurtures from being really young, it’s not something that can be developed in a short time. You can come close, but being natural alpha male will be next to impossible when you never had the kinda father figure I explained in my previous post. I maybe wrong though …

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#1500

Assertive—very assertive—communication and interaction.

A deep sense of your own worth and value.

To feel a sense of healthy pride and confidence as you move through society and as you live your life.

Are those accurate descriptions of what you are aiming for?

What subliminals have you run so far?

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#1501

Yes, I ran Ascension with PCC, dropped PCC and ran Ascension. Took 3 month break and came back to get Khan just for the st1 TB, but when DR came out and after reading the description page I went for that in December 2020.

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#1502

Try emperor qv2. it is very alpha oriented i think more then ascension

#1503

Got it.

Well, I’m going to reflect on what you’ve said.

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#1504

Honestly I’ve thought about it. But from reading here and what Simon actually once said or was it Hermit. It’s not a really good idea just to jump straight to Emperor. The perfect pattern to go about it they said to start with Ascension, build up your base, improve your income and then go with Ascen Mogul then once that is mastered and you’re in point of life where you wanna break off and go to the next level is where Emperor comes in. The whole process before jumping to Emperor should be 1 year minimum.

#1505

What? no way… it doesnt work like that, it dependes on your objectives.

yes emperor does require some foundation, but if you did DR plus ascension for 90 days +(which you did) its more then enough to use Emperor.

i switched to emperor after 2 month of ascension, i dont feel overwhelmed.
but i am also starting my own business so i dont know how domineering i might be in a regular corproate environment, but i think it should totally help you get rid of the nice guy syndrom

#1506

Yeah I don’t have my own business, in that aspect Emperor is great. So it works for you. I’m still in corporate world kind of. Maybe once I commit to finally do my own thing and that’s online marketing, e commerce digital marketing etc. For now I’m trying to save enough money to kickstart that. I’m in sales rn and Emperor wouldn’t be good for that position.

#1508

Question. Maybe it’s been asked (likely).

How would a person choose if they should run Dragon Stage 4 Q or Ultima? I’ll be switching to stage 4 soon and am curious.

My idea was to complete Dragon Q, then start a new wealth-stack while running a loop of Paragon & Dragon Ultima at night. I don’t know if there’s still a benefit of the stage 4 Q over the Ultima at that point.

@RVconsultant do you know?

#1509

Thanks for the tag. I think DRU is a type of DR st4 put into an Ultima. However I don’t think they are interchangeable. Personally I’m running both. Mainly because I need to channel my merciless Khan desires into something so I’m being ruthless towards my issues. A double ka-power of DR I think is most satisfying.

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#1510

DRU was designed to be a booster for dragon reborn so yup.Not interchangeable

Its also designed to be alot more narrow

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#1511

Thank you, FAQ Master!

It seems that my intent to use it after I’m done with 8 months of Dragon would be acceptable. I like the idea of running a single loop of healing at night as a reminder. Just in case those 8 months missed something and I’m not actually immortal yet.

The only variable would be how running multiple Ultimas while I sleep affects the quality of my sleep.

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#1512

I’m gonna give some advice here that some others on the forum might not think is good. But I think you should drop DR. And I admit I’m biased because I went through a tough time with that program, but I really believe that pushing past things isn’t always the way and can cause more issues than benefits. DR is heavy, I personally don’t think it should be used as a foundational program for anyone with complex issues but that’s just me. DR is more like the journey beyond to really break through the sticking points. But you need a strong base to fall back on when things get rough. They warn about this on the sales page and I know my first thought was “well I’ve been through transformational journeys before, how much harder could it be?” Well DR humbled me to say the least.

Healing trauma is a tricky subject. The way it’s presented makes it seem like it’s a really linear process and it’s not. Also a lot of trauma is compartmentalized which isn’t always a bad thing. One thing I’m learning is that sometimes improving aspects of your life without intense emotional introspection can be way more helpful.

What I’m rambling about here. Take the emphasis off of healing for a bit. Focus on some goals, figure out what stands in the way of the goals and build a listening plan. I really like this forum, but it’s dangerous sometimes because not every solution is going to work. Everyone is unique in how they respond to stuff like this, it’s really important to not stubbornly stick to something because “it worked for everyone else”. Been there, done that man. It’s a bad mentality to have, it blinds you to alternatives and prevents you from finding solutions tailored to your own temperament and sticking points in life.

And you don’t want to be stuck in “healing hell”, it’s an illusion of forward progress with healing but really just retriggering old wounds that you don’t move beyond. I have a lot of experience with that. These subs help, but they aren’t flawless because ultimately it’s your mind making the changes and I 100% guarantee you it can backfire at times even with the best of intentions.

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#1513

Sounds like you need way more Healing then.

Also why limit yourself to 4 months or 1 year.

Do it 5 years - then speak or give advice

:wink:

#1514

No offense man, but this is exactly what I’m talking about. Healing isn’t always the universal answer. And to piss away a year or more in hopes of things getting better is not the way to go. I’m just providing a counter argument to this often recommended advice. Just because it’s popular and said a lot doesn’t mean it’s always the optimal way.

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#1515

@Fractal_Explorer I don’t feel dropping DR is the answer as much as running it along something like Ascension , Ascend Mogul, or Renaissance Man. I see DR as a gateway for someone to get their shit together

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#1516

That’s right.
On the other side how do you know if it’s the right or wrong way for somebody else?