Main Disc. Thread - Ascension ZP v2

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#41

@Skadoosh Person A = typical beta male
Person B = alpha male

Each of these people have an internal framework. They have subconscious belief systems.

Person A: large amounts of emotional trauma, lack of self-love, low self-worth, subconsciously afraid of being masculine, sexual repression/unwellness etc.

Person B: high self-love, high self-worth, unapologetically masculine, healthy expression of sexuality.

Right now, I’m Person A and have been all my life, but the large amounts of trauma have been mostly cleared away. What is needed now is the freed up masculine core.

Occasionally my partner strops out over minor things and I go into a sulk and withdraw from her. But it seems like she wants me to stand up for myself when arguing with her. Tell her to “shut up”.

Thing is, I’m not that person. I’d rather leave that fight.

I’m not sure if this is some kind of masculine lesson I need to learn or something is off, but I know my own life has been put on hold due to being a traumatised “beta male”, suppressing my own masculinity in the hopes of being a nice guy at work and personally.

@remarkable ain’t here any more but he suggested Ascension for a whole year. I still have my AM custom, if I listen to this for a whole year, who knows what other issues may be solved just by becoming Person B.

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A Northern Power (Not Nice)
#42

I hear you, I’ve been there… it takes time for some people. Keep listening to the subs, moving through the recon and taking action. Try not to overthink or overanalyze things, be present, focus on your goals and just keep going. Stay away from pornography. Also, feel free to take a break from the forum when you need to.

What you’ll find is that you will keep moving upwards and forwards. Like a badass. You will move goal posts and reach greater heights. Seems like you’re kicking ass.

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#43

Damn @Michel. I’m Person A to the tee. I’m only writing since today I realized (while not looking for it) that I’ve been afraid of running Ascension again. When I got here in 2018, I used Ascension for months, and it deeply affected me. The difference is I felt disconnected to others and myself a lot, so I didn’t have major fears fighting me all the time. And someone here has repeatedly pushed me to do alpha subs (Ascension and Primal mostly). And in that disagreement, I’ve withdrawn from the discussion, not fully airing my thoughts to another male.

My biggest known reason for fearing Ascension is its tie to responsibility. For some reason, that scares the absolute shit out of me. Like I’m afraid if I’m responsible for (a person’s wellbeing) I’ll fail.

That’s been my big obstacle. I’m on DR St.1 right now stacked with LBFH. But no major breakthroughs yet on this massive block/trauma.

I felt like and believe I failed my mother. I’d like to change this belief.

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#44

Ascension helps you get real and stop lying to yourself. That can be a bit scary, but it’s, in fact, liberating and builds up one’s accountability and confidence.

Naturally, Ascension does much more than that.

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#45

Ascension shows its first effects after only three listens. There is a sense of inner strength arising and a feeling of not accepting certain things any more.

Today I had my first verbal confrontation. I was able to control the conversation well and partly reacted as if on autopilot. The words just came out, but I was in control of what was said and quickly went on the offensive. It worked very well and I was very pleased with the result. Ascension had already clearly shown its effect and I was amazed myself.

I read somewhere on the forum that you have to control ascension and not let it control you. I think I know what that means now. I am only at the very beginning of ascension and I am curious to see how the next few days will go. In any case, Ascension works very quickly.

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#46

Responsibility is a large part of growing up as a man, whether it’s wanted or not. Downside is everything is your fault. The great upside is you get to decide what you want in life. Keep or dash away.

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#47

I’m having a tough choice for my next custom core. I was originally planning on Ascension but I think CFW is more what I’m feeling that inner pull towards.

Let’s say I do a CFW/LBFH custom. I’d have no problem running Ascension alongside?

#48

I felt bad when you asked me how was it going and to answer I had quit at the time and stopped but I can proudly answer this question now :slightly_smiling_face:. I been running a stack of ascension, rich, GM. So ascension rich rest GM rest ascension rich rest GM etc. I been running this for 7 days now. Prior to this I had no drive and no purpose. I was going to the gym out of habit but still eating like crap, cookies, chips etc. I was watching porn and fapping nonstop to porn or social media picks. I was a loser. I started this stack and literally the next day after running ascension and rich I felt this power and purpose in me awake. I felt this push to get my body back on point, eating habits on point and nofap goals on point. It was a fire I haven’t had in a long time. I was going to the gym and not going through the motions. I stopped junk food and got my eating right. I was eye banging every girl especially in yoga pants. Prior to this I didn’t care to look at girls outside probably because I was fapping non stop.
The fire in me was building and building. I was being productive and when i went to watch something not important on YouTube or go on my ps4 in me I felt it was wrong to do. I felt this constant feeling inside that I need to be productive.
I unfortunately though relapsed to porn and pics of girls on social media I had blocked. I ended up binging. I’m very disappointed and feel numb. Today at the gym I didn’t have that beast in me working out. I didn’t have that hunger while looking at girls which only 24 hours ago before I fapped I was lusting for the same girl I saw today.
The flame of the fire in me is small but it’s there. I’m still focused on fitness, eating habits and Nofap goals. I screwed up yesterday but I’m getting back on the horse.
I’m eager to see what running this for 2 back to back cycles will do.
I wish I could overcome this addiction it’s been plaguing me for 12 plus years

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#49

Just keep pushing through, mate. That’s the secret formula. The falling back you’re describing is “retaliation” (negative effects of so-called reconciliation) but the process contains elements of reconciliation (integrating and executing the scripting) as well. It requires time and effort (taking action align with the scripting and avoiding activities that go against it), however.

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#50

Where was this named?

#51

Yep I’m keeping on right now I won’t let this derail me. Right now I was listening to a chakra video on YouTube to cleanse my Chakras especially sacral chakra which is related to addiction. Now I’m looking up candles, gemstones et, gonna journal on this relapse again later. This has happened to me before running sub club subs, whenever I make progress I sabotage with pmo.

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#52

Perhaps DR:LD would come in handy. I would go for that program only if the issue was persistent. However, being consistent when working with your subs and persistent establishing the new framework (thinking and behavioral/habitual patterns) should do in the long run.

You can also try running DR:LD from time to time, like once per week, let’s say.

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#53

This is new. Retaliation for what exactly? @Sub.Zero

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#54

For defying the gods and forging your own destiny. :wink:

Are you still listening to Ascension? What have been your results so far?

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#55

@AnswerGroup I would like to make some suggestions about Ascension.

I’m glad products are getting differentiated more.

I think that what I’d like to see from Ascension is a more clear differentiation that it’s not an Entrepreneurial sub, it’s a foundations of masculinity sub.

However that manifests is fine by me. Call it groundedness and personal power, with some drive, but not the level of drive of Emperor. It very well might get people MORE drive than emperor, but as a foundation builder not an accelerator… as we all know you can’t build a skyscraper on shaky foundation no more than you could rocket a ferrari on wobbly wheels.

It should be the kind of sub that any man can run to become completely grounded, unshakeable, confident, calm in himself, driven, socially attuned (in honor of the fact that @SaintSovereign mentioned it’s a social/dominance sub with a hint more dominance than sociability), understanding the foundations of ROI in daily life and interactions, creating and crafting a vision… it should be THE sub for losing/eliminating those nice-guy tendencies we all experience and people ask about. It should be more career/lifestyle/capital focused, but not business/wealth/entrepreneurially focused… because many people can’t become entrepreneurs if they don’t have their bases covered first. Succeeding in a career is the easiest way to build a business, sometimes, as you learn from mentors.

The goal of Ascension, just my two cents, should be to get a man foundationally solid in all areas of his life, confident with people in general, with confidence with women a by product of confidence in himself, it should get him to remove nice-guy tendencies, eliminate self-doubt, become a man of action, a man of respectability, a man of confidence, and a man succeeding at what he’s doing… financially, with Ascension. It should be getting a man making 50k/yr to about the 100k/yr mark, through promotions that come from increased trust and respect and increased vision and discipline on his end. Ascended Mogul should be the sub that gets that same man to about 125k/yr, if he started at 50k, with more of an emphasis on income generation, skills, beliefs, wealth, savings, amateur trading (basically quoting the new mogul), and removing limiting beliefs.

Ascended Mogul should (my two cents) be the sub that people use when they’re STARTING their entrepreneurial journey but they’re also still a bit involved in the “traditional corporate world.” At that point you could absolutely use Emperor too, depending on whether or not you need foundations or massive acceleration with an already solid foundation.

And overall, somehow differentiating more subs between foundation builders and accelerators would be extremely helpful.

Wanted = foundation builder for results (building baseline)
Wanted Black = Accelerator & Multiplier of results (exponential explosion of baseline)
Chosen = Foundation Builder
Libertine/Love Bomb = Accelerator & Multiplier of results

Obviously all foundation builders are also results accelerators, but not all results accelerators are foundation builders. This may be too hard to communicate so i understand if this recommendation doesn’t get touched!

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#56

Absolutely agreed @Jouissance

Especially on eliminating every and all nice guy traits, turning them into a beacon of strength. Most men in the western world are completely lost in the societal messages about themselves that seek to deny and minimise themselves in order to fit in. That doesn’t mean “be a dick” to compensate, just to stand proud and tall in the face of others.

I would like Ascension to have the same New Subliminal Experience manifestation of positive experiences instead of the ones challenging you to fights and confrontations, although how practical that would be with a title like this is up for debate.

However I would still like Ascension to remain the general masculinity foundation builder.

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#57

Everything will get NxE

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#58

lol, there was never any scripting that sets up challenges and confrontations. The scripting ALWAYS simply helped you change your normal challenges into strengths. This is why we used to fight so hard against misinformation – one person would say something and then everyone would follow it as if it were true.

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#59

Wou new avatar Saint. That is something because since I came here you were having the circle on white background and it has benn two years

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#60

I remember saint having the pfp of the deathly hallows sign from harry potter.

Ps. i got excited thinking hypedaddy was back. just turned out to be a pfp change.

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