Main Disc. Thread -- A Stark Black Reality (Now Available!)

I really think you should relearn about marketing, and you’ll realize just how deep it actually is.

I could sit here and write pages upon pages, but to you, that would just seem like a manipulative marketing text to sell you the idea of marketing :upside_down_face:

Try looking at it from a different perspective, and when you do, you’ll realize that even listening to the subs is a type of marketing too, especially with the new experience script, I mean think about it: you expose your subconscious to a script, which therefore manifests experiences, you review how you feel, and then decide to invest time in it, isn’t that just what we marketers do with products :wink:?

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Marketing is the process of making people aware of what you have to offer and making it easy for them to get it. Marketing is neutral. People make it shady or beneficial.
Some people who have a problem with doing marketing or sales actually have a limiting belief on making money. If you think your product or service is really good, why would you have a problem letting people know about it?

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Your definition excludes making people believe that you have to offer something that you don’t. That too can be marketing.

No! That’s called lying, which is very different from marketing.

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Lying is about knowingly making statements that are not true. Making true statements that are likely misinterpreted to your advantage is not lying. There is obviously a lot of misleading marketing that is not legally fraud. I’m not saying all marketing is like that, but there is a reason why marketing has a bad rep.

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Which industry do yo know of that doesn’t have bad apples?
Do you stop going to the doctor because some doctors are unethical?
Do you stop buying cars because car salesmen sometimes lie?
Do you stop calling police because some cops are corrupt?
The list goes on.
Some people decided that they don’t like marketing or marketers because of some bad experience and they claim the whole industry bad!

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To this point, Invictus has a really good relationship with money and marketing and the capitalist structure we’re all willingly/unwillingly a part of.

So does KSub

IMHO, anyone who is angry at life itself (aka the fact that we live in the economic system that we live in instead of some grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side economic system) or at marketing or at money or at rich people or at sales…

Just run EOG1 and that’ll all get cleared up and you’ll develop a positive relationship to money.

To your point exactly - it’s not that it IS shady - it FEELS shady - that’s a healing issue

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I’ve been in the Market Research industry for about 15 years now and I do see @praisetheurdtree pov a bit: I would say around 30% of clients do research to improve only their marketing, not their products also. It seems so counterintuitive and I am still shocked everytime I hear clients talking like this. oh well.

Stark Black review incoming. I’ve been running this baby since launch and oh boy I have shit tell…

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No, which is beside the point. I certainly would not use a definition of the police that would make it impossible for police to commit corrupt acts. It’s time to go back to the topic, though.

You need to find your way of doing it.

That’s all that this means.

In my opinion.

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You all have seen my rants about this. People don’t realize how much they’re self-sabotaging by “hating marketing.” You’re literally imposing an artificial internal wealth ceiling for no real reason except a projection of your own mind.

Marketing is nothing more than connecting your product to the customers who want to buy it. The blockage is less about the person being “shady” and more about the shame a person feels about wanting to buy the product, or not being able to afford it. That shame and anger projects outward, and it becomes the “marketer’s fault” for trying to “tempt you” with their “shadiness.”

This.

How often has this actually happened to you in today’s age? There’s so many resources for an individual to research a product before purchase that it’s very hard to get suckered. Another thing people do, is project their own judgment on other people’s purchases and claiming they got scammed or “pulled in by the marketing,” yada yada.

Remember, we get nasty comments all the time that all of you are suffering from a collective delusion in which you only believe you’re getting results. Because we have nice boxes and music and like to have fun, you’re all glamoured. That’s what they claim.

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This forum is part of marketing.

It’s actually quite nice.

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To my awareness, I haven’t been conned lately. But it is hard to deny that some products wouldn’t sell to an informed audience.

By the way: I have nothing against marketing, I grew up with the area thanks to my mom. But I think the idea that there is no such thing as misleading marketing strikes me as absurd.

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Money limiting beliefs can take multiple forms. One of them is having misgivings about one of the very things that create money (marketing). As always, people would rather defend their limiting beliefs than release them. :man_shrugging:

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I needed to read all of this today!!!

Sneaky money blocks. :flushed:

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I don’t think anyone’s saying marketing can’t be misleading – it definitely can. I think the argument here is marketing isn’t inherently misleading. Just pointing out that customers are necessary in order for any business to thrive and marketing is a necessary component to acquire them.

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Still running the SB + KHSt1 + KBSt1 and absolutely in love with the stack. Fame, influence, confidence, creativity …and a lot more! :tada:

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Have you been running full loops or microloops?

I always have a “main sub” in my stack, running full loops for it. SB is my main loop since launch.

Here’s my review so far of Stark Black:

  1. Manifestations / fame: I was booked to talk at 2 conferences this year. In the past month, I’m proposed to talk at around once conferece each month, so I’m gonna pass on some. Even with really exotic conferences in Columbia for example, never chatted with people there.
  2. Cognitive effects: hard to put it into words. It’s the opposite of Stark where I was overwhelmed by 100 ideas/thoughts at the same time, in a marvelous chaos. SB is way more focused on 1-2 topics, disciplined, matured. I feel like this is just the begining of cognitive improvements, since every day or so, I see another small thing different.
  3. Determination, thirst for success: Emperor level, really high.The difference though is that Emperor pushes me hard: “do better, dont be a wimp, you can do it”, with Stark Black the push is more logical, asking and trying to find answers to questions like: “what’s missing in your day to day life to have the life you desire? what habbits dont help be more succesful? what should you do different”. needless to say, I love this unveiling way of guiding you to understanding your shortcomings in a positive way.
  4. Mood: definitely more serious than OG Stark, less joking around. Really intense in discussions with topics I really care about, but not the dictatorial speeches I go into when on Emp. Mood wise, I would say its a way more social seeking Emperor. I love the balaance between og stark and emp.
  5. Romance: As with OG Stark, completely killed my interest for my girl, other girls. Nothing that a tad of Primal Nights did not correct. We’ll see if it’s just adjustement period.

Still early to say, but SB seems like a really good StarkOG-Emp program. Looking forward to experience more cognitive and fame results.

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I love the way you articulated this – it’s exactly how I feel regarding points 2, 3 and 4.

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