Lol I know, I guess ultimately it would be bad for the salesman anyway via self-esteem and other psychological problems…
Thinking about it, people who sold me on things weren’t overly pushy, they were optimistic/good vibes, got me excited for the product, let me take my time, and if I “had to think about it” they maintained their positive attitude and were equally as personable/friendly/accommodating when I came back to them. They make it all about YOU, the focus is on YOU, accommodating YOU; they are good listeners, understand your problem(s) completely, and will convey to you how/why what they’re selling would benefit you, in a straight-forward non-needy but focused way. Also scripting for the ability to modify your sales style in a way that is most persuasive to whichever personality you come into contact with, if that makes sense. These are my ideas. I haven’t run OG True Sell yet though, as a sidenote.
Edit: damn there’s some good answers in this thread 
Edit 2: there’s different sales styles when I think about it. One that comes to mind is everything I mentioned before: charm, good listener, optimistic, good/high energy. Another is more of a “hey I’m just trying to help, I wouldn’t steer you wrong” style, which may be more grounded, authoritative, and maybe a bit more serious, but still empathetic/compassionate. And yeah I think it depends on the situation and what you’re selling (and maybe just your personality?).
eight years ago，I made a appointment with a skin care consultant/sale…at first，everything was going smooth and corny…having different tests and introduction about medical treatments…then I said my problem“I feel like my skin is overly oiling，it is nasty” without missing a beat，that saleswoman said “that is a mental illness”…I bursted out laughing…not that I found it funny but incredible obsurd…she followed up with “I am just like that，really straight forward” then she repeated the comment two times in a row“that is a mental illness” I got up and left immediately.what is the moral of the story ？
1:know what you say in the sale also know what not to say.something will just make people think you are incredible inadequate ，unprofessional and uneducated …that is the last thing you want
2: when you made a mistake ，being able to calibrate it correct it on the spot is really important.double it down will make you look really bad and lack of the common sense ，empath and social intelligence…again these are not good for the sale.
3:be a decent person…sometimes，you just could not close the deal…due to all types of reason，at those moments，just be graceful.make it classy…at least ，you could leave a good impression…next time，that impression might lead to a referral…
some extra rant：I think the best closers never close，instead，others come to them and close them…how does it happen ？by building a reputation…crafting an image…associating certain concepts with the products/person….this process itself is a mass seduction…the closer paints the canvas…spreads the stories…the rest just lay out on a silver plate and hand it to them…so I will say an extra focus on marketing and branding skill will be really helpful…also being able to set aside the ego and learn from all sources will be great an advantage over those cant……
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I agree 100%.
It’s impossible to have a really high close rate consistently with shit marketing. Marketing and sales is like foreplay and sex. If the foreplay doesn’t turn your partner on, forget about orgasm.
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Okay @answergroup I went deep into the tank for this one.
The first thing that a world class sales person needs to be able to do is build trust, so that every single thing the salesperson says, the prospect believes.
There’s obviously an ethical balance there, but, most sales people actually can’t even convince people that THE TRUTH is true. The reputation of a sales person is that they’re not trustworthy, so they need to build trust & authority quickly.
Status in sales comes not in the Alpha Male status way, but from projecting confidence, competence, and knowledge
The ability to ultimately shift someone’s level of thinking and eliminate their limiting beliefs about themselves might be the unique driver here. So many people choose not to buy not because they don’t like the product, but because even if it’s the best product in the world, they don’t know if it can get them results because they don’t trust their own skill.
This is true in all coaching and agency work. Client self doubt is often more detrimental than doubt in the product - and a subliminal about making people extremely confident in pursuing goals they’ve already self selected that they wish they could accomplish sounds like a globally beneficial title. Perhaps that’s the unique edge, and the true sell sub becomes the sub that inspires others to help them identify and achieve their most lofty goals - putting the sales person in the middle as just a helpful partner in getting there.
If it’s a product like Solar then this is less important and the “believing the sales person when he’s telling the truth” scripting is more important. But even then, perhaps the “help you accomplish the lofty goals you previously thought were impossible” scripting could prove powerful.
For tech sales, CRMs and stuff, the prospect’s goal is to achieve success in their business, and many entrepreneurs at an early stage are afraid of taking on costs because they don’t know if they’ll achieve exponential growth.
Understanding exactly what the prospect wants, explaining it in a way that perfectly matches their goals, building trust and portraying personal-and-industry-specific confidence is huge, helping them believe in themselves more than they do and showing how your product fits in the middle.
And being crisp, direct, effective in communication is huge as well. Each word used is a word wasted - have the most impact with the least amount of speech to keep the focus on the prospect, not the product or salesperson. Communicating in a way that never creates confusion.
And outside of communication, sales requires a huge amount of discipline, positive outlook no matter what, calm despite rejection, having really clear long term goals to excite you and move you forward with passion, and on a daily basis the sales person needs to have IMPECCABLE energy through positive health and habits… showing up to a sales conversation anything less than your best is a fast way to kill a deal haha
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Sharing this here, because this is my biggest feedback/recommendation in for true sell. Whatever the heck is in HOM, please, can we find a way to make it into true sell. I literally feel like anytime I run HOM, the level of effort and output I need to achieve the same results is reduced at least in half.
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After my reconny washout, I am starting to think that True Sell should be a four stager, titled “Entrepreneur” or something.
Stage 1: Drawing Board
about being crystal clear of your ideal clientele, and what your product and/or service actually is, lastly how exactly it benefits them.
and maybe customize aspects of Limits Destroyer and EoG to tackle the “inner game” of being an entrepreneur ie poverty mindset from childhood influences, procrastination, etc
Stage 2: Marketing
Since marketing blends into sales, it would make sense to tackle both of these with a multistager.
Even Jordan Belfort in a suit and tie isn’t going to have a high close rate by trying to sell pent houses to the homeless, so let’s make our lives easier by attracting the right prospects. Energetically, spiritually, mentally, emotionally.
RM: UW can be adapted to help write copy, HOM for building connections as @Niles said right above etc.
Stage 3: True Sell
All the implementable suggestions in this thread.
Stage 4:
Subclubs tried and tested formula for weaving all 3 stages ala KB, EOG, Khan, QL etc.
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In addition to immediate sales capacity
I like this article on the value of what sales can become, may be a bit more HOM’s territory
Does anyone know when is the upgrade coming out?
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There’s been no announcement as of yet.
But since this thread is still not closed, they’re getting ready for their break and developing lots of other subs I’m not sure they started development yet. Or at least they’re in an earlier phase of development were they can easily add new stuff.
Presence
Being of Service
Commitment and Care with detachment
Be prepared for the possibility that the break isn’t real and is just a ploy to make some massive drops even MORE surprising because they get dropped “during the break”
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- Building momentum, flow, and being ‘on fire’ as an NSE more consistently
- Abundance of lead flow and quality- ‘ripe for sales’
- In addition to incredible skills at closing -easy closing as well- manifesting people 'ready to go
- Manage getting out of slumps, spirals, - sales- rejection
- True Sell is brilliant at understanding people- and its very good at conveying oneself-it lacks bridging that gap- speaking to an understanding of people in a way that ACTUALLY makes a difference for the sale. It works great for coaching in my experience- but the ability to understand people seems limited in its sales application in my experience
6.Wealth, wealth, money, money, lead manifestation- that’s the real game- the right fit - The charisma element of true sell is great -more fluidity and organicness along with professionalism and consistency- balancing authority and relatedness. Not falling into one’s own-route ina way that is ineffective for sales
- Some kind of equivalent of the Tyrant module- to dominant reality with sales and consistently be ‘the one’ the top performer no matter what.
- Elements of learning and adaption, like SSX for sales
- True Sell as a solo title seems WAY more effective in verbal acuity and skill, in a custom and stacked; even after a year, it just doesn’t shine through as much or as smoothly.
- Navigating with wisdom and experience but keeping that newness and novelty in sales, that ability that anything could happen, any sale could be the one. Not getting resentful, cynical, frustrated by lack of closing or when things don’t turn out, not getting jaded.
- Ability to perceive and experience others without it effecting the users emotional state- or only enough to calibrate/tactically empathize effectively.
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Seems to always be the case in my customs 
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It’s still good enough.
But just surprised how it synergizes
I think it’s important to get mundane for a second and ask ourselves “what is the most mundane possibility that could explain how HOM ‘manifests’ ideal clients?”
Let’s just assume that subs aren’t breaking the laws of physics. It’s not actually manifesting. Let’s just assume that for a second - because if it wasn’t true reality bending manifestation, then obviously, it would be elements within ourselves that would cause us to create those conditions. How? Why?
And what specifically is it in HOM that is not present in True Sell, as, I have noticed tremendous manifestation of “ready to go” clients in HOM, but not in TS.
Well, I can give some example ideas, but this is the ultimate question isn’t it? So there’ll never be enough answers.
These are all just possibilities.
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HOM has more alpha scripting, of that unique HOM variety, and the HOM flavor is that of a super-merchant, a super-successful family head, a multi-million dollar man, someone who buys million dollar pieces of art for fun and doesn’t even look at the price tag… “good clients” might just feel resonant to that person, open up to that person, and REVEAL themselves as an “ideal client” or as we like to call it in sales, a “whale” only once they’ve realized the sales person listening to HOM is also of that elite upper class.
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HOM has more confidence scripting, allowing us to see bad opportunities as “just needing work” and seeing good opportnities as “in the bag.”
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Perhaps True Sell is more about SELLING people, with sales tactics, while HOM is more about connecting with people and inviting them into the tribe/family… and if that’s the case, perhaps connecting/tribe (alongside the dominance of an alpha) is more important that “sales tactics” in the grand scheme of things.
I notice a slow burn and homeostasis effect in all my customs, as @niles mentioned
When I run a solo title, it’s because I want fast results. If I run something in a custom, it’s because I want massive improvement at that thing in 3-6 months. This is likely due to the custom hitting deeper and therefore needing processing time due to name embeds, but also due to the fact that customs are always 2 cores, plus modules, on top of an existing stack, so it’s literally just MORE processing in that sense, even if it wasn’t name embedded, and needs longer before it fully executes.
But by that exact same logic, the things that are long term slow burns that you want effecting your quarterly numbers, not your weekly numbers, put that into a custom. DR:G… EOG4… Limitless… etc.
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I personally do believe in the reality-bending properties, but I like how you’re filtering it to view it through this internal lens of what’s different in us that has people show up. I think everything you said is 100% true
I have spoken to 40-80 people a week since I started my inside sales job last May. It’s around 3000 people. I see profiles of prospective clients with extensive metrics on them, including self-reported income, actual and estimated net worth worth, pictures, writing, LinkedIn profiles, references, etc.
I think while there is a real truth in how we show up, dictates how ready a lead is to go. What I also noticed on HOM is that the leads’ purchasing capacity and the rev/per sold client are higher. Rev/per sold client could be a matter of trust. Purchasing capacity, which I view AHEAD of time, is affected by pure manifestation. I have metrics of everything correlated across sub use. My time on HOM brings in more quality leads with higher purchasing capacity than when I don’t have it in my stack but equal to Stark Black - so far. However, Stark Black is more persuasive because of the authority and savvy individuals who are ‘impressed’. And tend to be better for the short sale cycle.
Although I remember the most fun I’ve had in sales was on HOM. And I have not tested it with stark black or lately. So, your post has me wanting to incorporate it back into my stack, possibly with a custom. I have it with EOG in a custom is too dense.
I really want to see an upgraded HOM, and HOM Black.
I really like this. I’d be curious to see how DR: G effects long term number
@Niles I believe you paused this well you rev up in your new role…will you be running DRG in the long run for sales? I’m strongly thinking about it.
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This kind of brings us to the conversation about EOG.
DR: Gold
Getting really granular here, there’s two things to consider, which are similar but different:
1) Wealth
The long term game of taking money, turning it into more money, and turning that money into a lifestyle that fuels your wildest dreams.
There’s also a short term/long term comparison here: are you focused on your current wealth, aka ability to finance a dream lifestyle, or are you focused on a future wealth/lifestyle/stability?
2) Income
- The short term game of making money, and the long term game of using money to make money (investments, passive, etc.)
Here there is no exceptionally long-term play. Income is the building block of wealth but never the end goal.
The contributions DR:G makes to wealth are FANTASTIC and never before seen at this level, when you consider wealth the ability to finance a dream lifestyle.
- Temperance, to know how to spend money effectively, not needing to spend money to feel happy, having more money to put into investments, etc.
- Joy, in being able to know exactly what your “dream lifestyle” is and how to achieve it NOW rather than waiting until you’ve saved up $X, or, knowing the minimal amount you’d need to save/make to make it a reality
- Leadership, feeling wealthy thanks to community, respect, and the opportunities that you get to lead - some people only feel wealthy making $10m/year, but most people would feel wealthy making 300K/year while leading something amazing, and being given all the priviliges and respects due to a leader (on top of that hefty salary). Imagine Kings, they’re rich because they’re lavished with gifts and favors. DRG is about becoming a king.
So… DRG will certainly effect income, but we don’t know if it’s a little or a lot. @invictus and @niles seem to suggest, quite a lot.
But wow, what it’ll do for wealth will be mind-blowing, guaranteed!
True Sell
So what does this mean for True Sell? True Sell is the vehicle to help you generate extreme levels of income. I feel like it could use more connection, because that’s an inherent part of sales, and in no way is connection ever bad in sales - only the fear of being disliked is bad in sales, and some people are afraid of losing connections once they’ve made them. And I feel like a cognitive enhancement component, specifically for socializing, could be really powerful too - kind of how you mentioned SSX.
So… where does that leave EOG?
That’s the most interesting question of all - because where true sell is a question of how to increase income… EOG is a question of do we want to see in EOG, knowing it could go anywhere.
As @SaintSovereign said, the question is what’s the root cause worth addressing with a 4-stager that justifies EOG even being a 4-stager in the first place.
And I think that EOG’s critical differentiator is as a Wealth subliminal, not an Income subliminal.
HOM, the way I’m thinking about wealth/income, is about connections, deal making, financial manifestations… making as much money as possible for you and your family. AKA income. T$ is about making as much money as possible through sales. Stark/NR… innovation/disruption.
Those are methods of wealth generation, but wealth generation is just income, and any “method” can be attacked with a major title, no need for a 4-stager there.
What EOG can do uniquely is help focus on wealth directly, and by wealth, I mean “the use of money to build a dream lifestyle.”
There are occasionally comments on the forum, sometimes directed at @AlexanderGraves, and others, along the lines of “wow i’m surprised you ran EOG for so many months and aren’t uber-successful yet?”
But why can’t being “wealthy” be a feeling instead of a monetary value.
As a feeling, I’d describe feeling wealthy as two things
- a sense of safety and security that if something happens, you have the resources/resourcefulness to be fine.
- the joy of being able to afford your “dream lifestyle” (by either making more money, or finding a way to afford your dreams with the money you already have.)
So, how I could imagine an EOG 4 stager.
Stage 1, the healing stage, breaking down beliefs of money. Not just the beliefs stopping you from making money, but also the beliefs stopping you from feeling wealthy, regardless of your money status.
Stage 2, the “find your purpose” section of EOG, but especially focused around building your dream lifestyle, investing the money you do make and getting excited about that (it would be a pro-tip to take action by investing, however small), and then coming to love work and what it can do for you… on the one hand, loving work as in finding your purpose, on the other hand, loving work as in loving the act of working itself, even if it’s not the ideal situation, just so long as it’s not a truly negative environment, because work is 8 hours out of every day, we better love it, and wealthy people get to work on what they love.
Stage 2 would also be a Khan Stage 2 like-stage, where there’s more of an emphasis on who you are, your body language, your confidence, your productivity, your vision, your cognition, etc., to be that type of person.
Stage 3, not just financial manifestations, which is a component of RICH, but pulling everything together, you run this stage when you are actually living out your mission and/or able to start building your dream lifestyle. If you don’t feel like you love work yet, or don’t love life yet, keep running stages 1 and 2, until you’ve either started to love life the way it is now, or started to find work that is more purpose aligned.
Of course, stage 4 pulls it all together, while going even deeper into maximizing your dream lifestyle, helping you really understand at the CORE what makes you happy and how much money you need to get there, how to make time for what you love, and how to stop working once you’ve achieved true wealth.
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That was a great write-up and pretty much sums up my feelings as well!
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I believe that “RICH” like manifestations should be part of every single EoG Stage, so that, similar like the NSE, you are constantly manifesting money coming in at all possible points in time.
Manifesting of money coming in at all stages then acts like an amplifier for that stage through the positive experience of money coming in. So basically, “RICH Manifestation NSE” as part of every single EoG Stage. Or “NWE RICH level strength” as part of every single stage, I think you get the idea.
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