I’ve long been trying to figure out the “secrets” of seduction and overall being an attractive man. Its only recently that I’ve been reaching towards the conclusion that one of the best ways of seducing is first and foremost letting go of all expectations and being completely present in the moment, where all of the inner chatter disappears and the only thing thats left is this feeling of being “at the top of the world”. Whenever I fall into this vibe the results of whatever seduction sub I’m using start to shine through, and my energy spreads and affects everyone. In that moment I literally feel like there’s not a single woman who wouldn’t wanna have me, and it starts to show on their faces and overall demeanor towards me as well. I’d love to be in this state forever.
Have you guys fallen into this vibe of being present in the moment, especially when it relates to seduction? What do you find to be the best way to get into this state?
From my very extensive experience in the space, nothing trumps positive reenforcement. When you take massive action in the area, and start getting really positive real-world feedback from girls, you start creating a positive expectancy around success with women, and there’s just no reason to be in your head in the first place, you just let go and enjoy the moment because there’s no reason not to.
Nothing beats experience in building that, you can run subs, do affirmations, meditate, etc, or you could go out in the real world and take massive action and actually become the person that you want to be.
That all said, a few things I found to really aid in that are
*Status: You don’t have to be a celebrity, this is contextual. If interacting with people in your social circle or environment, having status and being well-liked in that specific context is going to be suchificent. We are hardwired to look for this type of thing, and want to be “a part of the group”, we’re a very tribal based species. The reason this is important, although it may not seem super related to your question, is that your instintive fight or flight kicks in when you feel you are being judged/threatened/ and your not a part of the group. You can’t overpower your environment, but you can flow with it. Think collaborative frame vs competitive. Offer value vs take value. This seems pretty unrelated, but being “in-state” is really just feeling comfortable, like you are when your hanging out with your friends, and you can’t do that if the environment is working against you.
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Massive action. Back in my “seduction days” I would at times approach 100s of women per day, do crazy social challenges like going up to women in groups, with their boyfriends, with their parent, cause a scene that draws massive attention in public. You basically want to increase your tolerance for social pressure as much as possible, to the point where talking to a girl or being on a date feels like nothing compared to the things you’ve put yourself through. I’ve said this multiple times in the forum, but there’s no better way on the planet to develop your tollerance for social pressure then cold-approach. You harden yourself that way, the confidence you build from it is like nothing I’ve ever expierienced. It’s less about actually seducing the women from the approach, all though it’s totally possible and I’ve made out with girls in the middle of the street in broad day light, and pulled back to my place right from there, it’s more about the godly confidence that creates in you. If you can talk to a 10/10 in a really high social pressure setting, talking to some girl in your social circle or out a bar with your friends feels like talking to your sister lol.
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Abundance. You can’t fake this, and girls will feels that vibe coming off of you. I have slept with a lot of women, and I still get needy and have expectations when I haven’t gotten laid in a couple weeks. To get off this feeling of abundance/non-neediness, it’s best to have multiple options, be seeing multiple girls, “spinning plates” as the PUA community calls it. Sounds shitty, but if that sounds difficult (Not sure of your exp level in the area) then LOWER YOUR STANDARDS TO RAISE YOUR AVERAGE. Your probably not going to start off dating multiple girls that fit your perfect vision, or your 10s. However, you can probably be dating a few 6’s
and from there because you have options your not so dependent on the validation of the 8.
Not sure if those were the types of answers you were looking for, but you cannot fake this vibe man, it’s something that is earned, and when you look someone dead in the eye they can subconsciously pick up on. Sure, being in a good spot in life, meditation, excercising and being in a good state can all help.
But nothing can come close to the conviction of someone who is desired by other women and knows it, who has an abundance of options, who has the status and favor of the majority, and the battle scars to prove it.
@Niles thanks for the reply, you’ve brought up some really good points. I guess that feeling of being present in the moment is very correlated with abundance, and it cannot be fully integrated with me without going through a period of battles and massive action. I certainly need to change my approach and start getting out there.
I’d love to also hear your take on this: When you were just starting out in your seduction days, which of today’s subs would you use when just starting out? Which products do you think would’ve assisted you the most during that period of taking action to get to where you are right now?
So started way back in the Q-days with sub club, maybe even before Q at the time so options were much more slim.
At the time, Primal Seduction- Iron Thone is where I got really good at cold approach pick up. I think that was the cream of the crop back then, and that has absolutely nothing on the titles available today.
OG Wanted is the title that probably led to most of my development overall. It’s what took me from being pretty ballsy, funny, etc; to someone who had girls chasing me, and the actually attractive ones that I wanted.
I don’t have a ton of context into the newer seduction subs as I have been out of the game for awhile now (LT relationship, focused on career for now). Wish I did though as they are infinitely more fun to run then wealth subs lol.
That said, I think they are all pretty powerful at this point. I would just roll with the ones that most closely fit your actual situation. If your already spending a lot of time with women (bartending, social circle, active dating life) and want to go for more of the “spinning plates” method; Wanted and Wanted Black are tough to beat.
If you have the time and bandwidth to cold approach which is what I would reccomend, I would stack Primal and Primal Seduction. Honesty I would 100% go that route. If you find a few friends or people into pick up with that will go out with you consistently (reccomend day time as well), you will be on the path to one of the most exhilarating, life changing adventures of your life. Looking back at my life, there was never a time where I felt more fulfilled and more alive, and it truly shaped me as a person. Honesty I still think from time to time about throwing it all away to go back to it lol, there is nothing like that feeling you get from it.
From that you will probably have an abundance of women in your life. You’ll start getting really charismatic, having cooler social circles, higher status, you can literally be living a movie star life. That’s when it’s time to graduate to Khan or WB which I think is just a personality and preference thing.
To recap; Primal and Primal Seduction this is to build the base while cold approaching, hardening yourself, and filling out your “roster” of dream girls.
In a business sense, you’re building out your community or audience, and then “monetizing” with WB or Khan.
Yup, it seems like solely Primal and Primal Seduction is the route to go. WB is one of my fave subliminals but realistically I just don’t have a lot of women around me these days so I’ll need to save it for a later point in my life.
Thanks for your help. It gave me a clearer understanding of the next step I should take.
Damn, how long did it take to get to the point where you could make out with a girl in the middle of the street/broad daylight etc.? Like how many approaches before you got to that “level”?
Great stack, perhaps adding sanguine to that stack would help with the original request of being present.
I had been going out semi-consistently for over a year, (few times per week), but it was very sporadic. I’d have streches where I was “all in”, then I would fall out of it and loose all that progress.
Then I planned a little “tour” with my friends, 7 days straight of hitting big cities where you can do more volume, 100s of girls per day. Complete and total immersion. That’s when that level of progress started happening. So to answer your question, it could take a couple years, or if you fully immerse it could take less then a week if your going out every day and building insane momentum…